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Forum Replacement and Closure of GA

Discussion in 'Announcements' started by arborvita, Oct 24, 2008.

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  1. RayJeena

    RayJeena Humble and proud of it. Supporter

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    :amen:
     
  2. [serious]

    [serious] 'As we treat the least of our brothers...' RIP GA Supporter

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    I think this strikes to the heart of the issue and also exemplifies why I disagree with the decision. WHat is making people deconvert? It certainly isn't being insulted by those of another (or no) religion. So what is it? Over at IIDB there is actually a thread about what has caused various people to deconvert. it's worth a peruse if people actually want to find out what the cause of it is. Simply trying to suppress the the discussion will only lend credence to the ideas.
     
  3. RayJeena

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    Noooooo .... don't flush da kitty!!! :unbelievable::ueee::waaah:



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  4. AV1611VET

    AV1611VET SCIENCE CAN TAKE A HIKE Supporter

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    I'm just as obnoxious there too! ^_^
     
  5. LittleLambofJesus

    LittleLambofJesus PESKY DEVIL! GIT! l SAID GIT! Supporter

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    That is probably what she meant ;)
     
  6. AV1611VET

    AV1611VET SCIENCE CAN TAKE A HIKE Supporter

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    Ya --- Lamb --- what's wrong with you!?
     
  7. AV1611VET

    AV1611VET SCIENCE CAN TAKE A HIKE Supporter

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    :D
     
  8. 3sigma

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    That’s often because the responses they receive are evasive and don’t actually answer or even address the question that was asked. Other Christian responses in GA are simply unsupported assertions, errors, logical fallacies or misapprehensions that don’t provide reasonable answers to questions. Is it any wonder that people who are looking seriously for answers to their questions repeat them in the hope that someone will eventually provide a reasonable answer?

    I originally posted in Questions for Non-Christians and was reported several times for entering into a debate with respondents. The rules were such that non-Christians just had to accept the Christian responses as true and final. There, evasive answers and unsupported assertions were treated as valid responses and no debate over them was to be permitted. Is that same policy going to apply to this new Exploring Christianity forum?
     
  9. Angel4Truth

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    I think this is both good and bad. The first part is badly needed since many use questions by non christians as a way to get around posting guidelines to debate in GA which isnt what the forum was for.

    Sad to see GA go - it is a useful forum but lacks strong leadership in staff to moderate it properly - it should have never even been considered to be moderated by non believers and should only have been moderated by mature christians secure in their faith who are skillfull in apologetics and who have no trouble enforcing the guidelines of the site.

    There should be some outreach even with the focus on inreach. The problem with GA is that for far too long the guidelines havent been enforced and should be strongly enforced in an area where outreach can occur. The problem has been allowing it to be savehaven for other beliefs instead of a place to give a defense for the hope that is in us like the bible states.

    This is throwing the baby out with the bathwater imo.
     
  10. franklin

    franklin Sexed up atheism = Pantheism

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    Just curious. Will we still be able to access our profiles of our past threads and posts we started or will they be removed?

    That would be a real bummer if I can't access all the threads I posted. I'd like to keep those.


     
  11. faster_jackrabbit

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    That's one of the biggest problems that others have with christianity. Just because you think it is so wonderful, it doesn't follow that everyone else does.
    And how do people get in the faith in the first place? By being exposed to preaching day in and day out. If evangelism was simply handing the "so simple a child could understand" bible to someone and letting them figure it out for themselves, there would never be another convert.
    Yes and no. It depends on who and what they do with it. I really don't care what people believe, just what they do based on that belief. My primary concern is christian behavior that has a negative effect on me: uninvited evangelism, christian politics, attacks on the adult and entertainment industries, assaults on the Establishment Clause, faith-based initiatives, creationism in science class, having to sit through prayers at public events, etc. It's not so much that I want people to deconvert, but to convince them to stop doing those things.

    I do think christians are frittering away their lives on basically nothing. To me it is no different from being obsessed about werewolves and vampires and watching horror movies day in and day out, thinking they are "historical dramas". But hey, if that's what makes you happy, whatever. I just don't want to be forced to practice your religion with you via legislation.

    Let me ask you a question: why is converting a good thing and deconverting a bad thing? Remember that the person who asked the question does not believe in heaven or hell. Now, this is a christian forum, but what if someone was deconverted elsewhere? What reason can you provide not to do it?
     
  12. KCDAD

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    And yet that was the admonishment of Paul to be ever ready to defend your faith. If it can not be defended, (Paul certainly was able to defend himself) then perhaps it isn't the right set of beliefs or faith.
     
  13. KCDAD

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    Can't handle the truth?
     
  14. LittleLambofJesus

    LittleLambofJesus PESKY DEVIL! GIT! l SAID GIT! Supporter

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    Umm, that is an Admin, and they are very Truthful....:thumbsup:
     
  15. KCDAD

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    Well here is a MAJOR problem that should be corrected: "Tolerance is only another name for indifference". Does anyone think this is something that would have come out of Jesus' mouth?
     
  16. katautumn

    katautumn Wandering, not lost.

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    Because of the way many of the Christians there treat not only non-christians and those questioning their faith, but also each other. It has nothing to do with Christians not being prepared to debate their faith with non-theists.

    I'm bracing myself for the next round of closures. I'm almost certain that NCR will be closed next. I sure wouldn't want anyone getting the wrong idea that a religion other than Christianity has positive aspects to it. Then what? Ethics & Morality? Will Politics be moved to the CO section? Will Life Stages be made CO again?

    I don't know why I came back. CF has only got worse. When Erwin owned this site not only did I feel tolerated, I felt that my presence here, regardless of religious affiliation, was an asset.
     
  17. GreenMunchkin

    GreenMunchkin Likes things. And stuff. But mostly things. Supporter

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    I get that. But it goes without saying that you'll run into a disproportionately high number of Christians here - so it's natural that you'll encounter people believing and expressing that Christianity is wonderful.

    Why would you have an issue with Christians feeling Christianity is beautiful? I don't understand.
    No, that's not the case. We all come to the faith in different ways. There's no set route. In fact, I'd posit that relatively few Christians come to the faith by being exposed to preaching day in day out. It would imply they were wilfully exposing themselves to incessant preaching while a non-Christian. I'm not sure that's feasible, really.
    Whoever said the Bible is simple? It takes a lifetime of study to even scratch the surface. But, yes, many people come to faith precisely that way. It's reading the Bible that convinces them of Christ's divinity.
    Ok. I have to ask, then: are the people in GA the ones with the power to make those changes?

    And (please forgive me if I've misconstrued :hug:) you seem to resent being on the end of evangelism here. But, honestly, how uninvited will it be given this is a Christian forum? You're more than entitled to ask people to stop, and the onus is with them to respect your wishes once they understand your position, but it's like me going to a restaurant and being annoyed when the waiter assumes I want food.
    Ok... but, again, what does that have to do with GA? I'm honestly not being facetious, but am not seeing the link you're making. How does an environment like GA have any bearing on the legislature?
    I can't provide any reason. It's something every single Christian will ultimately choose for themselves, and I don't wish to "persuade" someone to stay near Jesus - only He can do that. But at a Christian forum, something is fundamentally wrong with the culture if people are walking away from the Lord.

    We are charged with building one another up, and holding one another accountable, and loving one another - if we're going so wrong that people are actually turning away from their Saviour, it really means something has to change. I won't say how I feel about this announcement, because my feelings aren't relevant - but the situation as is is clearly untenable.
     
  18. Bombila

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    Well, there lies the crux of the matter, I think. CF was at one time a welcoming place. A non-Christian could come in and feel, if not one of the flock, at least an honourable guest, and eventually, a friend. Of course there was argument, of course with so many people some will be angry or unpleasant or unreasonable or immature or unstable, but the overall atmosphere was good - I would recommend CF to Christians or non-Christians.

    The atmosphere has changed enormously in recent months. While the participants have not changed much, the site itself is rigged to be unwelcoming, full of walls, barriers, draconian splitting and scattering of established communities, one is always waiting for the other shoe to drop. What next? Who will be persona non grata tomorrow?
     
  19. faster_jackrabbit

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    I'm not talking about here specifically. I am talking about in general.
    You tell me. Is there anyone here who votes for "family values" candidates? Who votes for the religious right? Who supports porn crusades? Then yes.
    I said uninvited evangelism. Uninvited. Uninvited.

    I'm not talking about here, where the evangelism is expected (though it doesn't belong in GA). I am talking about someone just showing up on my doorstep. About people who start in on jesus without being asked. Like the guy who started a conversation about computers in the checkout line of Fry's Electronics to get me talking and then suddenly switched it to jesus.
    You asked why it was to my benefit for people to deconvert. One less vote for the religious right. Again, convincing them to not bully others politically would be sufficient.
    Actually, I didn't word that right. When I said "What reason can you provide not to do it?", what I meant was "What reason can you provide for me not attempting to deconvert someone?"
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  20. ebia

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    Sigh.

    For all the problems with the discussions here I've got a lot out of this place. There's a place for safe spaces, and there is a place for a limted questions and answers board, but there is also a place for open dialog with whomsoever wants to talk.

    The new Exploring Christianity forum seems to be no more than the old QNC rebadged. That forum served a useful purpose, but in no way can it duplicate the type of open dialog possible here.

    I don't want a place where my ideas are never challenged, where hard questions can't be asked, where different ideas are never heard. If this goes ahead I'll be looking for another site. Where are you guys off to?
     
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