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Forum Replacement and Closure of GA

Discussion in 'Announcements' started by arborvita, Oct 24, 2008.

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  1. GreenMunchkin

    GreenMunchkin Likes things. And stuff. But mostly things. Supporter

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    It's not ok to refer to the Bible that way, but people are hurting, and are allowed to express their hurt, so I don't think we should call anyone whiners, or accuse them of pouting. Whether we agree with someone's perspective or not, we're commanded to love them, and to be compassionate, no?

    I just think we should be kinder, and not kick people when they're already down :hug:
     
  2. snoochface

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    Can you explain please?

    I haven't seen any flaming. I've seen people expressing strong opinions, but I was under the impression the thread was left open just for that reason.

    Can you please explain what needs to be dialed back so people might be able to adhere to your request?
     
  3. Criada

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    To be honest, I have rarely posted there at all, it was just a thought as to a way of keeping in touch.
    Ethics and morality is still open to non-Christians, I believe.. perhaps that would be more suitable.
     
  4. Crazy Liz

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    :confused:

    Please be specific.

    What do you want us to "dial it back" from?

    I seriously don't know what you want.
     
  5. Sylvanspirits

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    Personally, if anything would have made be deconvert during my active time here, it would have been the attitudes of several Christians rather than discussion and debate with non-Christians.

    IMO, a better solution would be to perhaps have a disclaimer, warning, or something for the apologetics forum. Perhaps even a how-to of apologetics, that at least covers some of the more common theist arguements as well as common athiest arguements and possible ways to defend against them. I myself thought that when a thiest or nontheist enters an apologetics forum, the expectation is that they are prepared for a debate. I don't enter into debates that I am not prepared for.

    Shutting down the apologetics forum just gives the (false, IMO) impression that Christians do not tolerate rational discussion and debate, and are unable or unwilling to defend their beliefs.
     
  6. AV1611VET

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    Sorry, GM, but I'm just mortified at some of the posts in this thread --- especially the ones about "once in awhile you might see something offensive". If you want, I'll delete it.
     
  7. Crazy Liz

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    I don't know. I keep asking questions about where various kinds of things can be discussed, and I rarely get answers.
     
  8. Tenebrae

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    Ding ding, ding, give the woman a gold star

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    FYI, I am not being sarcastic here, I think Greenie nailed it
     
  9. Sojourner1

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    What will happen is there will be questions asked by those who are seriously looking for an answer and not just a debate. In GA I have seen the same questions asked repeatedly by the same members, over and over again. It's apparent that they aren't seriously looking for an answer to their question because every time they ask the question they get the same answers.

    What they are looking for is a debate and for a chance to challenge the faith of Christians. I'm up for a good challenge, but there are some Christians who aren't aware that that is what is taking place. They came into GA thinking they could actually make a difference and reach someone. They think that they might find people who are looking for answers and are open to Christianity. When they realize that GA isn't really an outreach forum, but a debate forum, they either stay and enjoy the debate and grow stronger in their faith (which is what happened for me), or they get their knees knocked out from under them and they leave the faith, or they just quit posting in GA and find other forums to post in.
     
  10. Tenebrae

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    Like I said, the less than stirling example of christianity that is often presented here has also been instrumental in many deconversions. To state that the blame for that rests solely on the heads of the non christians is unfair, and blatantly untrue
     
  11. LittleLambofJesus

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    Greetings. I have never looked down or kicked on any atheist or even another religion. Some here forget that a majority of those are perhaps Ex-Christians themselves that got disillusioned with Christianity overall. Sometimes, I don' really blame them.....Peace.
     
  12. Sojourner1

    Sojourner1 Following my Shepherd Supporter

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    I do agree with you.
     
  13. Tenebrae

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    Thanks for the clarification.
     
  14. Bombila

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    No, you haven't, LLoJ. You are one of the people I'm going to miss, along with AVET1611, whether he believes that or not.
     
  15. LittleLambofJesus

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    :blush: Thks. Now if I can just get AVET to put Einstein as his Avatar ^_^
     
  16. faster_jackrabbit

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    That ought to tell you something.
     
  17. faster_jackrabbit

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    Which is exactly what apologetics is. We didn't invent the term, christians did. You guys should be grateful.
    As someone pointed out, why are they not told up front? That's why doing away with the debate section was a bad idea. Putting GA in outreach encourages people to think it is a preaching forum. The nature of many posts indicate the poster seems to think it is. For instance, instead of answering the question, telling us we should accept jesus.
     
  18. AV1611VET

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    Thank you, Bombila, and I pray you find the answers you are truly seeking. I can't remember a time when you ever said anything negative. :)
     
  19. GreenMunchkin

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    It's not an indictment of Christianity, I don't think. What you have to realise is most Christians genuinely want to share what we believe is the truth of Christ, because we want others to have that joy. When I first joined CF, I was a baby Christian and I was drawn to GA because I really believed I'd be able to witness for Him. Actually, I epic failed and ran away, but many will be persistent even when their own faith is shaky. Because it *matters* to them to share the Gospel.

    No-one can have their faith taken from them, and there seems to be this pressure almost to have rock solid faith. Am not sure why. Jesus Himself said we need faith only the size of a mustard seed. That's like . <---- that big. But it takes time to cultivate it, and it takes time to develop roots that strengthen faith. We're all struggling along our own paths at different rates, and some of us enter into an environment like that before we're ready. But it's done with the best of intentions, I think. The simple fact is, we become what we behold. Ya know? If someone young in the faith is exposed to the atheist apologia day in day out, and they take no time to fellowship with other Christians and to grow in the faith, they'll stumble.

    But it's not a reflection of Christianity, and it's really important that you know that :hug: Can I ask you something, though, please? Do you want for people to lose their faith?

    Am grateful :hug: Thank you.

    This again speaks to a desire to show people how beautiful Christ is. Christians mess up all the time, but He doesn't. The funny thing about apologetics is am not sure Christianity can be intellectualized. There's great comfort in its historical support and integrity, I admit, but in and of itself, it really does come down to stepping through the waterfall and simply accepting Him.

    Maybe someone says that because they don't know the answer to a question. (If we knew all the answers, it would mean *we* invented *Him* instead of the other way around.) Have answered with an "I don't know..." and the reaction was almost celebratory, as if my not knowing something philosophical somehow shattered the entire Christian faith. There's an awful lot of pressure to *know* everything, and we don't. We can't.

    On the flipside, maybe they answer that way because that is simply the answer for them. At a Christian forum, there will be preaching. It probably isn't conducive to apologetics and debate, but I don't think it is ever meant to be cruel.
     
  20. Bombila

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    Thanks, AV. I'll drop in at C&E until I get purged from there, too. They just don't have the same quality creationists on other boards. ;-D
     
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