Forcing your beliefs on others

[TheMissus]

You are trying to stop me from living in my ideal world that is free of sin...you are forcing that upon me.

How are you affected by strip clubs in the United States?

 

[mnbvcxz87]

I fully agree with JesusWalks in that morals are subjective.

So what if I and others sympathetic to my view, founded a nazi political group, got into power and then began systematically killing groups of people of our choosing?

Those are our morals. If you would be against that on the grounds that it infringed on those groups' 'human rights', then how does mass murdering non humans not infringe on their rights?

That is of course, if we assume any rights are based on ability to perceive pain (which leads to the right of freedom from pain, etc.)

 

[faster_jackrabbit]

How are you affected by strip clubs in the United States?

How is he affected by a strip club down the street from him? If they are like the ones here, they don't send out goons to drag people into them.

 

[TheMissus]

How is he affected by a strip club down the street from him? If they are like the ones here, they don't send out goons to drag people into them.

Good point as well.

 

[faster_jackrabbit]

You are trying to stop me from living in my ideal world that is free of sin and as much temptation to sin and enabling sin as possible...you are forcing that upon me.

You are trying to stop me from living in my ideal world that is free of jesus and as much harrassment from religion as possible...you are forcing that upon me.

What gives your desire for your ideal world priority over my desire for my ideal world?

I am perfectly happy for you to pursue your religion out the wazoo, but your goal is to prevent me from persuing my own interests and desires, even though they have nothing to do with you.

The temptation to sin argument is bogus. In fact, it is pathetic. You want to punish me for your weakness.

If your faith is worth anything at all, you can stand up to temptation. If you can't, and your only solution is to remove the temptation, you don't deserve to go to heaven.

 

[TricksterWolf]

What gives your desire for your ideal world priority over my desire for my ideal world?

Strength in numbers. Same argument used for generations to justify tormenting the minority, or even subordinate classes that aren't the minority (aparteid, women).

Trickster

 

[TricksterWolf]

You are trying to stop me from living in my ideal world that is free of sin and as much temptation to sin and enabling sin as possible...you are forcing that upon me.

Nobody gets to live in an ideal world. This is Earth! We must each give up some of what we consider ideal for the greater good of all.

Trickster

 

[mnbvcxz87]

I don't think constantly violating the AUP of an online forum is liable to save any fluffy bunnies from the horrors at P&G.

And I did a database rollout for them once, there are horrors to be found. Some companies do take liberties with animals that they don't want you to know about.

But this is OT, so I stop now.

When I first joined this forum a member called father jay advised me on how I can achieve what I want to, which to cut a long story short is change many things. He said, one heart at a time. If I can make people aware of the plight by bringing it up alot, then all the better. One person might think about it, and stop buying the products. As it is I'll be going off to asia in december so until then, I'll stick up for animals as often as I can. Likewise, being OT i'll also stop.

 

[GregoryTurner]

You are trying to stop me from living in my ideal world that is free of jesus and as much harrassment from religion as possible...you are forcing that upon me.

Ummm.. have you noticed what website you are on? If your ideal world is to be free from Jesus, then what are you doing here?

 

[faster_jackrabbit]

Ummm.. have you noticed what website you are on? If your ideal world is to be free from Jesus, then what are you doing here?

Trying to convince christians that they should not force their beliefs on others. Precisely what this thread is about. Believe me, if that were to ever stop, no one here would ever hear from me again. And I would have no reason to think about religion of any kind for the rest of my life. I didn't think about it for 40 years, but the christian militancy of recent years has given me no choice.

 

[GregoryTurner]

Trying to convince christians that they should not force their beliefs on others. Precisely what this thread is about. Believe me, if that were to ever stop, no one here would ever hear from me again. And I would have no reason to think about religion of any kind for the rest of my life. I didn't think about it for 40 years, but the christian militancy of recent years has given me no choice.

Maybe God is trying to get your attention? I am sure I am guilty of trying to force my belief on someone and I want to apologize to anyone I have done this to. Please forgive me?

 

[JesusWalks78]

You are trying to stop me from living in my ideal world that is free of jesus and as much harrassment from religion as possible...you are forcing that upon me.

What gives your desire for your ideal world priority over my desire for my ideal world?

I am perfectly happy for you to pursue your religion out the wazoo, but your goal is to prevent me from persuing my own interests and desires, even though they have nothing to do with you.

The temptation to sin argument is bogus. In fact, it is pathetic. You want to punish me for your weakness.

If your faith is worth anything at all, you can stand up to temptation. If you can't, and your only solution is to remove the temptation, you don't deserve to go to heaven.

You dont understand what i am saying, you are saying I am "forcing" religion ony you, so if your ideal world came to be you would be "forcing" your ideals on me.

Whats good for the goose and all that.

 

[faster_jackrabbit]

You dont understand what i am saying, you are saying I am "forcing" religion ony you, so if your ideal world came to be you would be "forcing" your ideals on me.

Whats good for the goose and all that.

But I'm willing to settle for less than my dream world, yet you want to force yours. Yes, a jesus free world (or more precisely a jesus-believer-free world, as I don't believe jesus exists in the first place), would be better for me, but only because christians want to restrict my activities. If they did not do that, I would not care if jesus believers existed or not, or what they did with themselves.

But I am willing to settle for this world.

I say again, I do not want to impose any restrictions on you, other than preventing you from imposing restrictions on me. My wish to change your behavior is totally defensive.

I do not want to prevent you from practicing your religion. I do not want to force you to partake of the things I like. I merely wish to be allowed to pursue my own interests and desires in peace.

You are not american, but "the pursuit of life, liberty, and happiness" is one of our founding principles. The definition of happiness varies from person to person.

 

[TheBellman]

You dont understand what i am saying, you are saying I am "forcing" religion ony you, so if your ideal world came to be you would be "forcing" your ideals on me.

Whats good for the goose and all that.

Yes, we would be forcing the idea of maximal freedom on you. You don't like that; you don't want people to have the maximum possible freedom. We do. Sorry.

 

[JesusWalks78]

But I am willing to settle for this world.

So you are happy with this world the way it is? You wouldnt want to change anything?

 

[faster_jackrabbit]

So you are happy with this world the way it is? You wouldnt want to change anything?

I assume you mean aside from the stuff I already mentioned.

I would like for terrorism to stop.

I would like for overpopulation to stop.

I would like for petroleum dependence to stop.

I would like for world hunger to stop.

Why don't you expend your energy on stuff like this, rather than trying to ban porn and topless bars?

 

[JesusWalks78]

I assume you mean aside from the stuff I already mentioned.

I would like for terrorism to stop.

I would like for overpopulation to stop.

I would like for petroleum dependence to stop.

I would like for world hunger to stop.

Why don't you expend your energy on stuff like this, rather than trying to ban porn and topless bars?

Why cant I expend my energy doing all of them?

 

[faster_jackrabbit]

Why cant I expend my energy doing all of them?

You honestly believe that the last one is as important as the others? Or is it just easier?

 

[TheBellman]

Why cant I expend my energy doing all of them?

Because by banning topless bars and the like, you are doing precisely what the OP is about - forcing your religious beliefs on us.

 

[SecretBlessings]

To me, "forcing your beliefs on others" means preaching your beliefs & values onto others when someone chooses not to want to listen to what you have to say.