Confabulation

[DaisyDay]

https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/5429516-trump-confabulation-dementia-signs/

Confabulation is sometimes called “honest lying,” because the person doing it genuinely believes what he’s saying, even if it is obviously and patently false. A person confabulates when they are telling completely invented stories that don’t provide them any particular tangible benefit. In other words, it’s not like lying to try and get out of a speeding ticket.

Confabulation isn’t misremembering a date or forgetting something. The mistakes of memory we are all subject to become confabulation when people remember false information in vivid detail — detail so vivid and complete that people who don’t know otherwise often believe what they are hearing is true.

In older people, confabulation is one of the clearest early signs of dementia. The day you witness someone confabulate is often the day you are forced to admit to yourself that a beloved parent needs help, and that all the little slips and oddities you’ve been seeing can no longer be rationalized away. ​

It's always been a quandary to deal with President Trump's constant lying as we try to determine whether he knows he's lying or whether he believes the obviously untrue things he says. Is it 25th Amendment time yet?

 

[Pommer]

Trump was hired to shake things and see what fell off the tree to make the tree stronger.
I say, leave him be to do the job he was hired for.

 

[DaisyDay]

Trump was hired to shake things and see what fell off the tree to make the tree stronger.
I say, leave him be to do the job he was hired for.

Burn it all down?

 

[mark46]

To be clear, the folks who vote to remove Trump now would CERTAINLY have supported removing Biden.

 

[mark46]

Burn it all down?

for sure

After all, Trump's policies had the economy and stock market in free fall after announcing his tariffs in April. The depression is almost here. Inflation is higher than the highest rate under Biden. The international community has stopped trading with us and has stopped buying our bonds. Foreign companies have refused to build in the US and to help refurbish US factories. And surely, countries would refuse to open their markets to more US goods.
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SQUINT! Did any of this happen?
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I am a life-long, yellow dog Democrat.

However, as far as I can see, Democrats are simply being delusional. The House USED TO BE a lock for Democrats in 2026. It may still happen. But those elections are over a year away. In the meantime, the strategy of opposing everything that Trump says or does will simply make Democrats even less and less credible and move their worst ever approval ratings even lower.

 

[Always in His Presence]

https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/5429516-trump-confabulation-dementia-signs/

Confabulation is sometimes called “honest lying,” because the person doing it genuinely believes what he’s saying, even if it is obviously and patently false. A person confabulates when they are telling completely invented stories that don’t provide them any particular tangible benefit. In other words, it’s not like lying to try and get out of a speeding ticket. ​

​

Confabulation isn’t misremembering a date or forgetting something. The mistakes of memory we are all subject to become confabulation when people remember false information in vivid detail — detail so vivid and complete that people who don’t know otherwise often believe what they are hearing is true. ​

​

In older people, confabulation is one of the clearest early signs of dementia. The day you witness someone confabulate is often the day you are forced to admit to yourself that a beloved parent needs help, and that all the little slips and oddities you’ve been seeing can no longer be rationalized away. ​

It's always been a quandary to deal with President Trump's constant lying as we try to determine whether he knows he's lying or whether he believes the obviously untrue things he says. Is it 25th Amendment time yet?

No it is not 25th Amendment time any more now that the 41 times it was discussed during his first term

 

[Always in His Presence]

Btw I voted as I did just to mess with people

 

[JSRG]

A better case can be made, especially in retrospect, for invoking the 25th Amendment against Biden than against Trump.

That said, I don't think it would be proper to invoke it against either. It's supposed to be used when the President is legitimately incapable of doing their job. Biden and/or Trump might be doing a bad job, but that's different from what the 25th Amendment is supposed to handle.

In any event, it also doesn't matter. The 25th Amendment requires the Vice President and the majority of the chiefs of staff to agree to depose the President. That didn't happen with Biden, and it's not going to happen with Trump right now. Furthermore, if they invoke it and the President objects, then it requires 2/3 of each house of Congress to go through with it. If these things didn't happen with Biden, they're not going to happen with Trump, unless something crazy happens like Trump falling into a coma somehow.

This part of the 25th Amendment was set up to be deliberately difficult and require strong agreement specifically because it's only supposed to be done when the President isn't merely doing a bad job, but actually is legitimately incapable of doing the job, like if the President is comatose or kidnapped by ninjas. Such is not the case here. And even if someone wants to argue this is the case, it isn't going to be invoked, so what does the question really matter?

 

[Bradskii]

It's supposed to be used when the President is legitimately incapable of doing their job.

I swear that this is not exaggeration for effect, but in my umpteen decades on this planet, taking a close interest in politics for most of them, I have not known a person on either side of politics who was as incapable and less qualified for the position he or she holds than Trump. Daylight comes second.

Even the politicians I despised (Thatcher in the UK will be familiar to most, Abbott and Morrison in Australia not so much) were, I will concede, incredibly smart and extremely capable for the positions they held (Prime Minister in each case). Trump in comparison...well, there is no comparison to be made in truth.

 

[loveofourlord]

A better case can be made, especially in retrospect, for invoking the 25th Amendment against Biden than against Trump.

That said, I don't think it would be proper to invoke it against either. It's supposed to be used when the President is legitimately incapable of doing their job. Biden and/or Trump might be doing a bad job, but that's different from what the 25th Amendment is supposed to handle.

In any event, it also doesn't matter. The 25th Amendment requires the Vice President and the majority of the chiefs of staff to agree to depose the President. That didn't happen with Biden, and it's not going to happen with Trump right now. Furthermore, if they invoke it and the President objects, then it requires 2/3 of each house of Congress to go through with it. If these things didn't happen with Biden, they're not going to happen with Trump, unless something crazy happens like Trump falling into a coma somehow.

This part of the 25th Amendment was set up to be deliberately difficult and require strong agreement specifically because it's only supposed to be done when the President isn't merely doing a bad job, but actually is legitimately incapable of doing the job, like if the President is comatose or kidnapped by ninjas. Such is not the case here. And even if someone wants to argue this is the case, it isn't going to be invoked, so what does the question really matter?

trouble with any argument against biden is doubly so against trump, trump has shown multiple signs of at best narcacism, and at worst dementia.