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I'm trying to imagine what a non-diverse US would even look like and I just can't do it.

Someone please tell me, what culture is my Italian/Argentinean family supposed to adopt or assimilate into while we live in the US?

And, why should we?
 
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I'm trying to imagine what a non-diverse US would even look like and I just can't do it.

Someone please tell me, what culture is my Italian/Argentinean family supposed to adopt or assimilate into while we live in the US?

And, why should we?
And this responds to the OP how?
 
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And this responds to the OP how?
Diversity makes us stronger by incorporating different points of view into society. With different ways of thinking we have different ways of approaching problems we face as a society. Several posters here have put it much better than I ever could.

What I put in my previous post was just what first came to mind reading some of the comments in the thread.
 
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And this responds to the OP how?
The OP speaks to the desire of having everyone who comes to the US assimilated into American culture. So it's fair to ask what American culture is.
 
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The OP speaks to the desire of having everyone who comes to the US assimilated into American culture.
Could you please point out that statement/question in the OP cuz I don't see it. Goldenboy's 1st post was off target; his 2nd post was much better as it addressed the OP.
And if you read the OP you will notice that no side is taken; all are invited to comment though it is nice to have something more than opinion.
 
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Is individual liberty enough to define a culture? It seems like that gives us the freedom to live multiple culures. For instance, some would say there's such a thing as a cowboy culture, complete with music, food, attire, dance, attitudes, literature, etc. Yet I'm an American and don't share much of anything with cowboy culture.

Your question was about an overarching "American" culture. Freedom and liberty are what defines America as a country, and they allow the various cultures within to thrive.
 
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I'm trying to imagine what a non-diverse US would even look like and I just can't do it.

Nor can I, but I suspect that a lot of goose-stepping is involved.
 
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Without diversity, Hamilton wouldn't exist. Its title character (Alexander Hamilton) was a Caribbean immigrant, its creator is Puerto Rican, and most of the performers are non-white. I think that outweighs anything bad that could ever come from diversity.
 
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Without diversity, Hamilton wouldn't exist. Its title character (Alexander Hamilton) was a Caribbean immigrant, its creator is Puerto Rican, and most of the performers are non-white. I think that outweighs anything bad that could ever come from diversity.
Well, you are talking about a Broadway show here. Obiously, from a historical perspective there is much wrong with it.....but it is a show, nothing more.
 
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Well, you are talking about a Broadway show here.
I'm talking about the greatest thing ever created by mankind. I would commit suicide to create something like Hamilton.
 
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Your question was about an overarching "American" culture. Freedom and liberty are what defines America as a country, and they allow the various cultures within to thrive.
So America is about diversity in culture then, yet diversity is seen as a probkem?
 
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I'm talking about the greatest thing ever created by mankind. If I created anything like Hamilton, I would have done enough in this life, and I would kill myself happily.
You seem to set the bar pretty low.....
 
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So America is about diversity in culture then, yet diversity is seen as a probkem?

America is about freedom from the constraints of traditional cultures. Our problems are behavioral not cultural, unless that bad behavior is cultural.
 
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I agree....for decades since the founding of the US we have always been referred to as a melting pot. It was assumed that newcomers would assimilate into the culture; the culture would shift somewhat over time due to the newcomers. The salad approach assumed the various cultures remain relatively distinct within the larger framework of society. It seems, at least to me, that the current statement of strength in diversity refers to the salad concept. So, taking this POV do we have strength in diversity with different cultures remaining (or attempting to remain) static within the larger framework of American society? Or is there a larger downside to this concept?
Food for thought ...

And whereas thou sawest the feet and toes, part of potters' clay, and part of iron, the kingdom shall be divided; but there shall be in it of the strength of the iron, forasmuch as thou sawest the iron mixed with miry clay. And as the toes of the feet were part of iron, and part of clay, so the kingdom shall be partly strong, and partly broken. And whereas thou sawest iron mixed with miry clay, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men: but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay.

And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever. Forasmuch as thou sawest that the stone was cut out of the mountain without hands, and that it brake in pieces the iron, the brass, the clay, the silver, and the gold; the great God hath made known to the king what shall come to pass hereafter: and the dream is certain, and the interpretation thereof sure
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America is about freedom from the constraints of traditional cultures. Our problems are behavioral not cultural, unless that bad behavior is cultural.
So diversity is a good thing unless it leads to bad behavior? I can get behind that. Let there be diverse beliefs, languages, lifestyles, etc but all woring to get along.
 
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