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arizona_sunshine

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Why would water be used.
1. In order to keep consistent with the Christian church falling into apostacy, a different element would be used. Replace water for wine.


I dont think this entered the picture, but I am not sure on that...

2. Those pesky WOW. Alcohol is prohibited, so once again to remain consistent, wine could not be used. And we know that the WOW are one of the works needed to gain the highest level of heaven. This also begs the question of why grape juice wasn't substituted for wine. But #1 helps explain that.

I think that the Word of Wisdom does play a large role in the water vs wine decision. In that case, the grape juice question is a legitimate one.


3. Maybe there weren't any good wine makers amongst the early mormons.

Not sure about then, but its pretty safe to say there arent any good mormon wine-makers now... :D

Thank you for this post, Wrigley, it was nice to read.
 
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Wrigley said:
That's because I didn't add what my thoughts were about the mormon sacrament. But, I think, you probably already know.

I can guess that everything we do, in your eyes, is a blatent blasphemy and sacriledge. I can admire the passion you have for the Gospel to which you cling.

However, it is not un-Christlike to disagree gently at times. And it is always welcomed whole-heartedly with me. :)
 
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arizona_sunshine said:
I can guess that everything we do, in your eyes, is a blatent blasphemy and sacriledge. I can admire the passion you have for the Gospel to which you cling.

However, it is not un-Christlike to disagree gently at times. And it is always welcomed whole-heartedly with me. :)
I cling to nothing less than Jesus' blood and Righteousness.
 
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Are they taking care of th temples that God gave them (their bodies) by ensuring that it is not defiled on a regular basis by fornication, un-healthy substances, etc.? (this is the Word of Wisdom)

This is the WofW....now, if the WofW is so vital in getting you that temple recommend, why doesn 't the church inforce all of it?
1 A Word of Wisdom, for the benefit of the council of high priests, assembled in Kirtland, and the church, and also the saints in Zion--

2 To be sent greeting; not by commandment or constraint, but by revelation and the word of wisdom, showing forth the order and will of God in the temporal salvation of all saints in the last days-- (not by commandment? temperal salvation?)

3 Given for a principle with promise, adapted to the capacity of the weak and the weakest of all saints, who are or can be called saints. (it's for the weak saints, hu)

4 Behold, verily, thus saith the Lord unto you: In consequence of evils and designs which do and will exist in the hearts of conspiring men in the last days, I have warned you, and forewarn you, by giving unto you this word of wisdom by revelation--

5 That inasmuch as any man drinketh wine or strong drink among you, behold it is not good, neither meet in the sight of your Father, only in assembling yourselves together to offer up your sacraments before him.

6 And, behold, this should be wine, yea, pure wine of the grape of the vine, of your own make. (Oh, so the LDS used to drink wine in sacrement? interesting. )

7 And, again, strong drinks are not for the belly, but for the washing of your bodies. (Wow, and all those pioneers spent all that time making soap when they could have just used Vodka)

8 And again, tobacco is not for the body, neither for the belly, and is not good for man, but is an herb for bruises and all sick cattle, to be used with judgment and skill. (This one is actually true)

9 And again, hot drinks are not for the body or belly. (Time to throw out that hot cocoa and campbells soup)

10 And again, verily I say unto you, all wholesome herbs God hath ordained for the constitution, nature, and use of man-- (Yup, herbs are great, including tea)

11 Every herb in the season thereof, and every fruit in the season thereof; all these to be used with prudence and thanksgiving.

12 Yea, flesh also of beasts and of the fowls of the air, I, the Lord, have ordained for the use of man with thanksgiving; nevertheless they are to be used sparingly; (Wow, how many lds follow this one, not many)

13 And it is pleasing unto me that they should not be used, only in times of winter, or of cold, or famine. (No more of those summer BBQ's, better get rid of the grill)

14 All grain is ordained for the use of man and of beasts, to be the staff of life, not only for man but for the beasts of the field, and the fowls of heaven, and all wild animals that run or creep on the earth;

15 And these hath God made for the use of man only in times of famine and excess of hunger. (ok, no more grain for you unless you are starving)

16 All grain is good for the food of man; as also the fruit of the vine; that which yieldeth fruit, whether in the ground or above the ground--

17 Nevertheless, wheat for man, and corn for the ox, and oats for the horse, and rye for the fowls and for swine, and for all beasts of the field, and barley for all useful animals, and for mild drinks, as also other grain. (ok, so no more corn, oatmeal or rye for LDS members. However you can make you a nice cold beer with the barley since it is a mild alcholic drink.)

18 And all saints who remember to keep and do these sayings, walking in obedience to the commandments, shall receive health in their navel and marrow to their bones;

19 And shall find wisdom and great treasures of knowledge, even hidden treasures;(no wonder so many lds have not found treasures of knowledge, they don't even follow their WofW like it is laid out)

20 And shall run and not be weary, and shall walk and not faint. (too bad this promise doesn't work for all the lds that end up sick anyway, or is it because they ate some barley so it voided the promise, or perhaps they had a steak in the summer time? )

21 And I, the Lord, give unto them a promise, that the destroying angel shall pass by them, as the children of Israel, and not slay them. Amen. (Wow, the destroying angel is death, does this mean that all the LDS that follow the word of wisdom will never die? I bet my deceased ansectors were bummed out to realize this wasn't true. It can't mean that they just won't die spiritually because even non-lds that don't follow the WofW get to go to one of the lds heavens and live forever....hhhmmm, interesting indeed.)
 
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at it again.

your discourse on the word of wisdom reminds me quite well of the oh so edifying comment i recieved from you yesterday.

of course the word of wisdom is not ENFORCED by the church, you know that.

when one is asked whether or not they follow the Word of Wisdom they are being asked to:
SELF EVALUATE



the Word of Wisdom, as well as the LDS 'dress code' are OUR standards, not yours. i dont appreciate you pointing out all the faults of LDS people.
 
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happyinhisgrace said:
Boy, you hit the nail on the head with that one!!!!!!!!!

Because we believe it too, Grace.

Is this comment suppose to be sarcastic? Is is suppose to be some sort of table-turner for me? I do not understand your attitude in making this comment.
 
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arizona_sunshine said:
happyinhisgrace

at it again.

your discourse on the word of wisdom reminds me quite well on the oh so edifying comment i recieved from you yesterday.

of course the word of wisdom is not ENFORCED by the church, you know that.

when one is asked whether or not they follow the Word of Wisdom they are being asked to: SELF EVALUATE


the Word of Wisdom, as well as the LDS 'dress code' are OUR standards, not yours. i dont appreciate you pointing out all the faults of LDS people.
Just so I'm clear.

Reading grace's post and then yours, are you saying the mormon people have a problem with pride?
 
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Wrigley said:
So what faults do you believe the mormon people have?

I do not see the validity of this question toward this conversation...

I will kindly refer to two cases where happyinhisgrace makes mention of LDS people not 'living up' to their own standards.

One, is in her recent post on the Word of Wisdom where she point by point lets us know how we are failing.

The other, which was personal to myself, is available for your consideration here:

http://www.christianforums.com/t87716&page=1


I consider her commentary unfair, as we all 'fall short.'
 
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Ours-as I see it-is generally stricter, more conservative than most others. We are held to higher standards-suh as not seeing rated-R movies, not dating before 16, wearing modest, mon-revelaing, nom-provacative, clothing, etc. It's just more-well, strict, then other forms of up-bringing that I have seen.

God Bless,
Emerald

ps-I wasn't raised in the church-I converted in the 10th grade, after meeting the missionarie in the 8th.

God Bless
 
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arizona_sunshine said:
I do not see the validity of this question toward this conversation...

I will kindly refer to two cases where happyinhisgrace makes mention of LDS people not 'living up' to their own standards.

One, is in her recent post on the Word of Wisdom where she point by point lets us know how we are failing.

The other, which was personal to myself, is available for your consideration here:

http://www.christianforums.com/t87716&page=1


I consider her commentary unfair, as we all 'fall short.'
C'mon cheer up. No reason to be angry.

Concerning grace's point by point exposition of the mormon failures. Are you angry because grace has a point?

And you link. Where am I supposed to look specifically in that thread?
 
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emerald Dragon said:
Ours-as I see it-is generally stricter, more conservative than most others. We are held to higher standards-suh as not seeing rated-R movies, not dating before 16, wearing modest, mon-revelaing, nom-provacative, clothing, etc. It's just more-well, strict, then other forms of up-bringing that I have seen.

God Bless,
Emerald

ps-I wasn't raised in the church-I converted in the 10th grade, after meeting the missionarie in the 8th.

God Bless
So is more strict a different morality?

Or just a more strict version of regular morality?
 
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