Fleeing to Mars not of God

[Hans Blaster]

Maybe you just have a different idea of the definition of 'worship'. One definition might be what we put first. It is safe to say most scientists do not put God first in their thoughts about His universe.

Science looks for natural causes to natural phenomena. It does not consider supernatural causation like gods, spirits, or demons as causes for natural events studied by science. Science is not concerned whether a god exists or not, nor what its motives might be, nor if it created the universe or set the laws of physics or not. That is not worship in the sense that any believer would normally understand it.

 

[comana]

Exactly. Why? They worship and put first what they wish. By the same token, why would we as one of God's children to prioritize a view of the created universe that says it doesn't exist?

You believe in a created universe, that’s fine. Scientists not believing a deity was involved is in no way worshiping said universe.

 

[truthpls]

Lots of movies to motivate the imagination, but they're so ridiculous now in concept that the younger generation that would be eligible to go wouldn't be influenced by them.

I think there are lots of people who would love to go, and also lots of people that think it is a great quest

 

[truthpls]

You believe in a created universe, that’s fine. Scientists not believing a deity was involved is in no way worshiping said universe.

That depends on what they put first. I would define worship as what we put first. Obviously they will not be worshipping or putting God first in their ideas/minds/'knowledge'. That leaves only one other option.

 

[truthpls]

Science looks for natural causes to natural phenomena.

It looks only to natural causes. That is basically blasphemy against God the creator. To obsessively, religiously look at His creation as if it got here another way.

It does not consider supernatural causation like gods, spirits, or demons as causes for natural events studied by science.

Yes, it plunges headlong into spiritual without in most cases, realizing it. It is absolutely spiritual to look for anything but God causes for creation.

Science is not concerned whether a god exists or not, nor what its motives might be, nor if it created the universe or set the laws of physics or not. That is not worship in the sense that any believer would normally understand it.

It should be, because Satan exists and is leading them by the nose despite their not being aware. They should be very very concerned. Too bad they don't have enough sense or wisdom to be. They define smart and wise as how mush you can ignore and replace God.

 

[expos4ever]

That depends on what they put first. I would define worship as what we put first. Obviously they will not be worshipping or putting God first in their ideas/minds/'knowledge'. That leaves only one other option.

I don't see the logic of this argument. For one, it's precludes the rather obvious possibility that a person can worship two things. But by your contrived definition something can be worshiped only if it comes first.

I challenge you to find any dictionary definition that defines worship in terms of "what comes first".

The normal sense of the word worship has to do with a set of attitudes and behaviors. There's no ranking aspect to worship as you seem to imply.

 

[Hans Blaster]

It looks only to natural causes.

Yea, that's what science does. If you ask it to do anything more, then it is not science anymore.

That is basically blasphemy against God the creator. To obsessively, religiously look at His creation as if it got here another way.

Not only do you want science to conform to the precepts of your religion, but you falsely calm it is behaving "religiously". It does not.

Yes, it plunges headlong into spiritual without in most cases, realizing it. It is absolutely spiritual to look for anything but God causes for creation.

Science does not study the "spiritual" (whatever that is).

It should be, because Satan exists and is leading them by the nose despite their not being aware. They should be very very concerned. Too bad they don't have enough sense or wisdom to be. They define smart and wise as how mush you can ignore and replace God.

If you want to prove your Satan exists, then do so, but you can't use science to do it (or prove it doesn't exist). Don't expect science to take interest in the precepts of your religion or any other.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

I think there are lots of people who would love to go, and also lots of people that think it is a great quest

Maybe in 100 or 200 years it could be a tourist destination. The technology right now is too "pioneer"

 

[Desk trauma]

The actual meaning of a word should matter

They said redefining a word to fit their narrative.

 

[FireDragon76]

"Mars is a red hell where there are a million ways to die" - Adam Something

Musk is a drug-addled mad scientist obsessed with so-called 'Longtermism', and ignoring immediate and clear ethical duties. A mission to Mars, let alone colonization, would have too many technical hurdles to overcome, and too many ethical considerations haven't yet been explored.

We would be far better off using all that money, science and technology to invest in methods of defending the earth from comet and asteroid strikes and solving climate change. Instead, he wastes money and resources on trying to create a dystopian and totalitarian state on our red neighbor, regardless of the feasability.

 

[Desk trauma]

Where is it in the bible, that we need to look to the 'dsm' to know right and wrong, good and bad, sound mind from demonism? Better to look the the HKB. (He knows better)

The DSM is about mental disorders, you equated atheism with being mentally ill.

 

[truthpls]

I don't see the logic of this argument. For one, it's precludes the rather obvious possibility that a person can worship two things. But by your contrived definition something can be worshiped only if it comes first.

You actually cannot serve God and man. We are told to choose. Not to worship at the altars and temples of many.

I challenge you to find any dictionary definition that defines worship in terms of "what comes first".

"The New Testament was written in Greek and the most common Greek word translated as worship is "proskuneo." According to Strong's Concordance "proskuneo" means "to kiss" as in to kiss the hand of a superior. It is commonly associated with bowing down or lying prostrate on the ground with the idea of kissing the ground before someone. Some scholars believe the word actually is derived from the idea of a dog licking its masters hand. The idea is to show profound reverence and submission to someone."

What is Worship? Proskuneo

The Greek word proskuneo means to bow down in worship. Learn about how this important Greek word can enhance your worship.

worshiparts.net

to love, respect, and admire someone or something very much, often without noticing the bad qualities of that person or thing:

worship

1. to have or show a strong feeling of respect and admiration for God or a god…

dictionary.cambridge.org

It is defined in a bible dictionary as to tell or show

Interlinear Search for 'Exodus 34:14' - NAS with the BHS and NA26 - StudyLight.org

Interliner Search for 'Exodus 34:14' within 'New American Standard Bible' with the 'Biblia Hebrica Stuttgartensia (1967/77)' and 'Nestle-Aland 26' on StudyLight.org

www.studylight.org

His children are to tell of His wonders and worship no other gods. He is to be first. Putting any thing else first is worshipping it.

 

[truthpls]

The DSM is about mental disorders, you equated atheism with being mentally ill.

The standards of what is abnormal officially change with time. For example, homosexuality is not listed anymore if I remember correctly? Yet God's standards of what is sound and good never change. By the way, can you remind of of the quote where I said atheism is being mentally ill?

 

[truthpls]

They said redefining a word to fit their narrative.

OK

 

[partinobodycular]

Maybe you just have a different idea of the definition of 'worship'. One definition might be what we put first. It is safe to say most scientists do not put God first in their thoughts about His universe.

Please be so kind as to let me know when curiosity became a sin on par with greed, and pride, and self-righteousness. Until then may humanity always be curious about what God has made.

 

[truthpls]

Please be so kind as to let me know when curiosity became a sin on par with greed, and pride, and self-righteousness. Until then may humanity always be curious about what God has made.

How is dumping hundreds of billions of dollars on a project just curious? Disbelief is not a good thing. Trusting God is a good thing.

 

[partinobodycular]

Disbelief is not a good thing.

How does curiosity about what lies over the horizon equate to disbelief?

How is dumping hundreds of billions of dollars on a project just curious?

Some horizons are just a whole lot harder to reach.

 

[truthpls]

How does curiosity about what lies over the horizon equate to disbelief?

Ignoring the poor and the needs of mankind to focus on evacuating the planet should things get out of control one day is unbelief in God and His plan and word. If you see a strange tree in the forest and have a look at it, that might be curiosity. If you disrespect God and His coming return and rule on earth and do so wasting great riches to do it, that is unbelief in action.

Some horizons are just a whole lot harder to reach.

No. We will reach them because we will be raised incorruptible with bodies able to do more than just traverse this entire universe in a new York minute. We will not reach them by being unloving to the poor and focusing on foolish pi in the sky pipe dreams.

 

[Hans Blaster]

Ignoring the poor and the needs of mankind to focus on evacuating the planet should things get out of control one day is unbelief in God and His plan and word.

Musk doesn't believe in your god, so I doubt he cares.

If you see a strange tree in the forest and have a look at it, that might be curiosity. If you disrespect God and His coming return and rule on earth and do so wasting great riches to do it, that is unbelief in action.

Repeatedly asserting things doesn't actually win arguments. It can only make those that agree with you already nod their heads in agreement.

No. We will reach them because we will be raised incorruptible with bodies able to do more than just traverse this entire universe in a new York minute. We will not reach them by being unloving to the poor and focusing on foolish pi in the sky pipe dreams.

Sounds boring.

 

[partinobodycular]

Ignoring the poor and the needs of mankind to focus on evacuating the planet should things get out of control one day is unbelief in God and His plan and word.

Ah, but the world is full of people ignoring the poor, and yet somehow you seem to ignore the good that science accomplishes because you wish to focus on the things that it doesn't accomplish. Perhaps I should mention the two thousand years of Christendom.

We will reach them because we will be raised incorruptible with bodies able to do more than just traverse this entire universe in a new York minute.

I wish you luck on your chosen path, but does it really give you the right to condemn the rest of us for ours? Even your God was gracious enough to allow us to choose.