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People who want to flee God and earth where He is coming to while the rest of the heavens roll away probably do not love or trust in God.
So does that mean you support wasting fortunes on trying to flee earth as a priority over helping mankind? Be clear and topical.
Yes the world will have poor always because of the hardness of man's heart. That is not due to science or how much we worship it or not. If some men or science has done some good things, we should be happy for that. We also are to eschew evil. Neither people nor science gets a carte blanche just because some little apparent good was done by them.
Thank you. Go ahead and do so. The billions who were saved and now in heaven because they heard the gospel is more wonderful than we can say. All because of Jesus. (not science or anything else)
If you think pointing out that trying to evacuate the planet is a waste of time and can never happen to any great extent is condemning people, you are wrong. I condemn the endeavour as a works trip of men who do not know God. That is precisely what it is. God did not come into the world to condemn the world. He came to save us. That salvation is by the sacrifice of Christ on the cross for our sins, not some self salvation for the wealthy by their own efforts to run from earth.
Your hard bitten, insistent theology is so tightly wound into each of your posts that there is not room to squeeze in responses to the non-theological parts without responding to individual sentence fragments. As for his fortunes, at the rate he is burning through SpaceX money on his exploding "Mars" rocket, he won't get any where near even going to Mars (or frankly the Moon).
If someone kills a person, they do not need to state it was their goal for it to be murder. The bible is clear on the fate and future of earth. Proponents of leaving the planet envision a doomsday where life on earth ceases.
www.nbcnews.com
futurism.com
It also follows a weird pattern from those who think their god is all powerful but it can be evaded by leaving the planet, or tricked in to saving you from damnation by pretending to believe (Pascal's infamous wager).
If you have a hard time with simplifying and making concise replies, no problem. Chop them up into different little thoughts.
Hawking also got no where. The point of the thread is not that they are succeeding in some mass evacuation, but that they offer that as the answer. My position is that it is a terrible waste of money that could be better used, as well as against reality as foretold in Scripture. Yet as one poster pointed out, God allowed for that in telling us that if they do set a nest in the heavenly places, they will be repatriated to earth anyhow!
Still nothing indicating that concerns about your deity are involved in the thinking behind the idea of humanity becoming a multi planetary species.If someone kills a person, they do not need to state it was their goal for it to be murder. The bible is clear on the fate and future of earth. Proponents of leaving the planet envision a doomsday where life on earth ceases.
example
"This hypothetical day when humans will supposedly have to leave Earth has been likened to a “Doomsday.” Hawking has asserted multiple timelines for this eventual moment, but he is certain that, at some point, we will have to find a new home."
Stephen Hawking says humans must leave Earth within 600 years
'We are running out of space and the only places to go to are other worlds.'
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“Now—if you owned a hard drive with an extraordinarily important Excel doc on it, and you knew that the hard drive pretty reliably tended to crash every month or two, with the last crash happening five weeks ago—what’s the very obvious thing you’d do? You’d copy the document onto a second hard drive.”
That is why we need to leave Earth. We need to have another plan. A safeguard"
Elon Musk: We Must Leave Earth For One Critical Reason
In its early life, the Earth would have been peppered nearly continuously by asteroids smashing into our young planet. These fiery collisions made our world what it is today. It may seem like things have changed since then, given the vast assortment of life and wide blue oceans—and things have...
", "Musk explained his feelings, stating, Either we spread Earth to other planets, or we risk going extinct. An extinction event is inevitable and we’re increasingly doing ourselves in."
- same link
There is some truth to the doomsday/extinction idea. Jesus spoke of it also.
Matthew 24:22 Unless those days were limited, no one would survive. But those days will be limited because of the elect.
In other words unless Jesus returned, everyone would die. The message from some 'chicken littles' in the world is that man must save himself.
That isn't the problem. The problem is that your sentences have tended to include bold theological assertions that I don't find relevant to any ethics of the question.
Not relevant.
It is a false hope and a fantasy, but their motivations clearly have nothing to do with your god or any claim from your holy book about pending disasters.
Since Mars colonization almost certainly wouldn't be viable, I agree.
I have no reason to put any trust in prophesy.
Your theology bores me.
In not looking to God for salvation, but trying to save themselves they involve God. He will make us not only inter and multi planetary but inner and multi galactic and dimensional. All of man's efforts without God will be stopped and any people that happen to be off the planet when He returns will be returned to earth to face the music.
So what are the 'ethic's' of leaving earth in fear of doomsday and spending trillions to do it? Be relevant.
It is relevant to the context of what a poster said. That was how Musk may not succeed. The point I made was that it doesn't matter, it is the idea itself that we are looking at here. Not the sure success of one of the players
The stated motivations are chicken little like. Avoiding doom and death on earth. You may claim that none of them ever heard about God and how He is returning to fix earth. You would need some evidence for that if you do claim it. It should also be noted that all those people who may be led of another spirit do not need to either admit or even know it. Actions speak louder than words. A tree is known by it's fruit. If a thorn bush claims it is a banana tree, that does not make it a banana tree.
I couldn't say. But if some people do get there and are there in the great day of God, then back they will come.
Nor do I, if that prophesy is from the type of men who want to avoid some doomsday on their own.
I think you already stated it -- "evacuation money" could be better spent on helping humanity live on Earth, or at least on more informative exploration of the Solar System. Real exploration isn't driven by some billionaire's retirement home under the surface of Mars.
It's hard to as you keep making posts about your god. I don't care about it.
I hadn't seen that post or your reply, but... Hawking wasn't actually making efforts to go to Mars. He did not have the resources, etc. Therefore, his "failure" to not succeed at what he wasn't doing is irrelevant.
OK.
Yes they are, or they are so long term there is no "rush" to meet them.
I made no such claim about "them", I only noted that Musk is not a believer in your god, so he likely is as unconcerned about the return of your god to Earth as I am -- not in the slightest.
That a non-believer is unconcerned about religious portents and prophecies? I don't think so. Are you concerned about any tales Muslims tell about the end of the world? I am not.
I am aware of no such spirit.
Which actions?
Actually plants are primarily classified by their flowers, which come before the fruit. (See Karl Linne.)
"Thorn" is not a type of bush, nor is a tree a kind of bush. Your analogies are bad. You are writing in riddles.
So you don't actually know about the general engineering and logistical issues in travel to mars and colonization and make that a topic of your thread? Instead...
You make some claims about your god. Sigh.
Sounds like all "prophets", just glib-tongued con men. (ie, like Elon Musk.)
God frowns on people not including Him in their thoughts. There is no other way, no other hope, no other salvation. So when we hear chicken littles freaking over doomsday and offering solutions that could never work, we shout beware.
OK that seems clear enough. I agree with the stop wasting money and help mankind bit.
He did pull a chicken little act though and clamoured for evacuation of the planet.
He should be. So should you. Wiki says this
Someone brought up in a Christian surrounding should know better. People in false religions that do not know any better are another matter. The idea of having the gospel preached in all the world is that such people also have an opportunity to choose.
That doesn't matter. Your being aware or not changes nothing.
Most actions. In the topic at hand, the actions of diverting vast fortunes away from people on earth, and ignoring God. Ignoring will change nothing. For example, if some do reach outposts in space, from there they will be taken down.
Yet in a biblical sense I would think whatever the tree produces is called the fruit. If a tree has pretty flowers, I would consider that qualifies as fruits of a tree. The apples that come later or the cherries etc also qualify. If you see a little prickly bush with a label beside it that says 'apple tree' that does not make it one. If anyone doubts that, they simply need to wait and see how the plant turns out and what it produces.
It gets the idea across. Prickle bush, thorn bush, etc etc. If you want to get technical we could use technical names for two trees that are different.
That is not the topic at all. The wasting of fortunes and opposition to god and fearmongering false prophesies etc. Those are the issues. Not the technical methods of how they try to vacate earth
People that prophesy things opposing Scripture should be taken with a large grain of salt I would say.
Name an elf that fulfilled over 300 prophesies in their birth and life and rose from the dead with hundreds of witnesses and healed multitudes? Name your elf that named kings and nations before they existed or ruled? Name your elf that gave mankind a book that billions have verified has truth and power? Name an elf that inspired billions of lives and changed them? Name an elf that has a book full of prophesies that are now mostly history?
I think it’s a waste of time anyway. Trying to survive on mars would take a vast amount of resources and we don’t even know how much ice is on mars. Man won’t be able to survive once the ice runs out.“If there’s something terrible that happens on Earth, either made by humans or natural, we want to have, like, life insurance for life as a whole,” Musk said in 2020. He wants to turn the planet into a self-sustaining colony, and he reportedly told SpaceX staffers last year he envisions one million people living on Mars by the 2040s.
Elon Musk Says He Wants To Send Humans To Mars As Soon As 2029
Musk—who has a history of setting unrealized goals for his companies—says he wants to send humans to Mars by 2029, though he says 2031 may be more likely.www.forbes.com
The bible tells us Jesus is returning to earth to rule. There is no escape. Wasting trillions trying to avoid the fate of man on earth is in my opinion a waste and not of God at all.
Thoughts?
Was that a yes or no? Didn’t see an answer among the apologetics boilerplate.
