Fleeing to Mars not of God

[Desk trauma]

I interpret it to mean all life on earth. I have listed many ways the extinction of mankind could happen already.

Humans are not all life on Earth.

Since man is the primary purpose of the planet and sun moon and stars and animals on earth and other life as well, if man ended, why would the earth continue on?

Because natural processes continue with or without humans.

What, a few cockroaches and germs?

That would be life.

Your attempt to try and cast doubt on the sin nature of man and how man's actions will result in extinction of all life on earth unless I name some big weapon that could do this is refuted.

I made no mention of sin, I leave arguments about that to people who believe in it. What I was trying to get was the method you claim humans have of eradicating all life that we are allegedly being prevented from using by your deity.

As I also said, there are weapons we have not seen yet that man will use. Weapons or science that will affect the climate, the water, the health of man, the animals and etc etc.

Ah, more of the speculative weapons.

 

[Ophiolite]

Humans are not all life on Earth.

Because natural processes continue with or without humans.

That would be life.


I made no mention of sin, I leave arguments about that to people who believe in it. What I was trying to get was the method you claim humans have of eradicating all life that we are allegedly being prevented from using by your deity.


Ah, more of the speculative weapons.

It is natural that, as humans, we focus a lot of our thinking and actions upon ourselves and other members of our species. But there is a danger in that approach, a form of arrogance that believes we are not only more important than any other species, but that other species are not of any importance. When that develops to the point where we think we are chosen for that role and protected in some way then any motivation to protect our environment and our fellow lifeforms disappears, and we are left with a complacent arrogance. It's really rather sad.

 

[truthpls]

Humans are not all life on Earth.

Correct but they are what matters. The rest are made for us. As man goes, so go the rest of life here. We are not just some other animal as science falsely teaches.

Because natural processes continue with or without humans.

No. They sure do not. The planet was made for us. Nothing continues without us. Especially when man takes actions to kill kill kill such as we see more and more in the end times. Giving in to Satan and taking his mark and killing His people will have grievous consequences. Consequences so great that unless He returned it would kill everyone. There is no carte blanche to sin without limit.

That would be life.

Without water, life dies. Without protection from the science and wars and devices of man, life dies. Just like if man let loose (if he was allowed) all 10,000 or whatever number of nuclear weapons that he has, life dies. The sum total actions of man, biological. nuclear, chemical, etc combined with wicked man's rebellion against God and giving over to the powers of hell would result in the death of life on earth if not for God stepping in.

I made no mention of sin, I leave arguments about that to people who believe in it.

It is all about sin. The wars, the science that kills, the plagues, the death etc. That is the name of the game. If you miss that you miss the forest for the trees. You do not need to mention the elephant in the room for it to be there.

What I was trying to get was the method you claim humans have of eradicating all life that we are allegedly being prevented from using by your deity.

It is the method of rejecting God and the subsequent descent into death and hell and extinction that results. Part of that we know about. The great death science could cause, and womd. Other parts we do not know about yet, such as what could poison the oceans and burn the grass and trees in all the planet.

Ah, more of the speculative weapons.

Yes we know there are things that are not revealed to the public right away. No news there.

 

[Desk trauma]

Correct but

… it invalidates your assertion that humans can eradicate all life but are being prevented from doing so if we don’t have the means to do so at our disposal.

No. They sure do not. The planet was made for us. Nothing continues without us.

Yes, they sure do,the natural world isn’t reliant on humans. It would continue if we killed ourselves off.

Just like if man let loose (if he was allowed) all 10,000 or whatever number of nuclear weapons that he has, life dies.

Much of it but not even close to all as you claimed.

It is all about sin.

Incorrect.

 

[truthpls]

… it invalidates your assertion that humans can eradicate all life but are being prevented from doing so if we don’t have the means to do so at our disposal.

The actions of man using all the science at his disposal to destroy is insanely dangerous. The actions of man acting on Satanic sin impulses is leading to the destruction of life on earth. The consequences of such murderous rampaging insane sin are part of the damage man has caused. One of those consequences is bringing down the judgments of God. The sum total of all this would destroy life on earth if not for God stopping man. Man is responsible. Sin makes man use sticks and stones and cars and guns and swords and whatever he has to kill. Man has a lot these days if you notice. Whether man directly poisons the waters on earth and directly burns all the trees and grasses and tinkers with genetics to make animal life freak out etc etc etc is a moot point. Man under the direction and leadership of Satan will do all he can to kill and destroy. If by any chance that was not quite enough to kill all life on earth (?) then the judgments from God sent to earth because of man's sin and rebellion and murders will be more than enough. He will have to step in to save life on earth.

Once again your attempts to insinuate man is not quite up to the task are not supported.

Yes, they sure do,the natural world isn’t reliant on humans. It would continue if we killed ourselves off.

In your dreams only. That is just a statement of faith that it was not created and created for man.

Much of it but not even close to all as you claimed.

So you are claiming that if 10,000 nuclear weapons were used, that would not even be close to ending life on earth? I provided a link with a study saying that something like 4 or 5 billion would die if only 400 were used! Remember, we are talking about depraved men possessed basically by demons. Not normal 'good' people using restraint etc. That would be in a time where plagues were killing untold hundreds of millions of people, and possibly affecting animals as well. etc etc. Your claim about man being unable to kill us all, 'not even close' has not yet been supported. Did this come to you in a dream?

Incorrect.

God overrules you.

Oh, and by the way, space is a big part of how man can destroy and war and kill and will be probably also in the near future when the world experiences the final fruition of sin on earth

 

[Desk trauma]

The actions of man using all the science at his disposal to destroy is insanely dangerous.

But incapable of eradicating all life on this planet.

The sum total of all this would destroy life on earth if not for God stopping man.

Again, by what method?

Once again your attempts to insinuate man is not quite up to the task are not supported.

I’m not the one claiming without evidence , or even being able to point to the method, that humans have the ability to eradicate all life.

In your dreams only.

Nope, natural processes are indifferent and go on with or without humans being around.

That is just a statement of faith that it was not created and created for man.

Nope, no faith to be found here.

So you are claiming that if 10,000 nuclear weapons were used, that would not even be close to ending life on earth?

Correct, even the most pessimistic models of nuclear winter don’t show the earth being made totally lifeless.

I provided a link with a study saying that something like 4 or 5 billion would die if only 400 were used!

Again humans =/= all life.

Your claim about man being unable to kill us all, 'not even close' has not yet been supported.

All life, no. All humans, maybe. Modern models of nuclear winter show collapse of agriculture at least in the northern hemisphere so that could be an extinction level event for humans but not all life.

God overrules you.

Nope.

 

[truthpls]

But incapable of eradicating all life on this planet.

Proof? Or was this in a dream you had? We do not know all we have now, or what we will soon have for destroying. In the one tool I asked about (if all 10,000 nuclear weapons were exploded) you did not address it. Are you just here for slogans or empty claims?

Again, by what method?

Not one 'method' But all the things I cited including man's poking God in the eye and forcing a response.

I’m not the one claiming without evidence , or even being able to point to the method, that humans have the ability to eradicate all life.

You are the one and the only one doing that actually. When God says all flesh on earth would not be saved alive unless He came and stopped us, we are in no position to argue! Looking at the thousands of nukes and other weapons we know exist you would need to make a case that this could not destroy the planet so that it would eventually not support life. What are you waiting for?

Nope, natural processes are indifferent and go on with or without humans being around.

Prove it. You can't. Why make vacuous claims?

Nope, no faith to be found here.

Yes the stement I quoted was faith based because it was not supported or supportable

Correct, even the most pessimistic models of nuclear winter don’t show the earth being made totally lifeless.

Again humans =/= all life.

Name one model that has all nukes being used? I cited one with 400 being used and a death toll of I think it was 5 billion. Prove that exploding 10,000 would leave life and a planet capable of supporting life?

All life, no. All humans, maybe.

If humans were allowed to go extinct, then the planet would be useless for it's created purpose. He says it will not happen. Your dreamed up scenarios don't amount to a hill of beans so far. How do you intend on proving there is no God? How do you intend on proving that if man were not here, the rest of the creatures on earth would be fine??

Modern models of nuclear winter show collapse of agriculture at least in the northern hemisphere so that could be an extinction level event for humans but not all life.

Using how many nukes? Details.

Nope.

We can disagree on whether you overrule God or not. A large part of the problem here seems to be that you erase God from your visions and scenarios leaving man as just some animal on planet earth. Then you seem to think that if some microbes continues to live for awhile or whatever, that this means man was not really needed or God. The problem is that if there is a God that created the world for us, and is coming here to live Himself one day along with His moon sized golden city He built for believers (who can never go extinct) that means your scenarios are empty dreams. It is denying man's place in the universe no less. Insulting God and creation and mankind. All with zero support so far.

 

[Desk trauma]

Proof?

Even the largest estimates of nuclear stockpiles don’t add up to the power of meteorites that have hit the earth. The impact winter was longer and more intense than we’re capable of producing yet life made it through. The planet has been through worse.

You are the one and the only one doing that actually.

I don’t see how as I’m arguing against your notion that humans have the means to end all life on Earth.

Prove it. You can't. Why make vacuous claims?

so the tree doesn’t make a sound if no one’s there? Nonsense.

Yes the stement I quoted was faith based because it was not supported or supportable

Incorrect.

If humans were allowed to go extinct, then the planet would be useless for its created purpose.

Thats your position not mine. The planets just a thing, purpose his a human notion.

How do you intend on proving there is no God?

I don’t.

How do you intend on proving that if man were not here, the rest of the creatures on earth would be fine??

Because they are in no way dependent on our existing.

Using how many nukes? Details.

I recommend reading Nuclear War by Annie Jacobsen. She collected the current science well and made a good narrative explaining it.

A large part of the problem here seems to be that you erase God from your visions and scenarios leaving man as just some animal on planet earth.

Yes I tend to not include things I don’t think exist in my thinking.

Then you seem to think that if some microbes continues to live for awhile or whatever, that this means man was not really needed or God.

That shows your claim about humans being able to eradicate all life is incorrect. I’m not convinced gods exist so talking about their necessity is nonsense.

The problem is that if there is a God that created the world for us, and is coming here to live Himself one day along with His moon sized golden city He built for believers (who can never go extinct) that means your scenarios are empty dreams. It is denying man's place in the universe no less. Insulting God and creation and mankind. All with zero support so far.

Pascal but even worse.

 

[truthpls]

Even the largest estimates of nuclear stockpiles don’t add up to the power of meteorites that have hit the earth. The impact winter was longer and more intense than we’re capable of producing yet life made it through. The planet has been through worse.

There will be asteroids hitting as well. But you have not supported your contention about the use of all 10,000 or whatever the total number may be, of nukes being used at once not killing life? Yes the planet has been through the flood and that is worse than some meteors falling I agree. There is one mentioned in the bible that will fall and ruin some waters. I am not even sure nuclear winter scenarios are designed for a total use of nukes?

I don’t see how as I’m arguing against your notion that humans have the means to end all life on Earth.

Yes they do either directly in God allowing them to use their Satanic weapons and science, or in a combination of man's actions and the resulting wrath of God because of man's actions. Cause and effect.

so the tree doesn’t make a sound if no one’s there? Nonsense.

No the trees are for man. No men, then there would be no trees. All the trees are burned up anyhow before the very end. How is life going to fare with no water, trees, or grass? All sea life dead. The continents wafting around like toy boats. The sun out and dark. Etc

Incorrect.

Then show it to be correct.

Thats your position not mine. The planets just a thing, purpose his a human notion.

God made us in His image and He has purposes also. Yes the things that are created are...well...things.

I don’t.

Then don't make claims based on that premise

Because they are in no way dependent on our existing.

Says...who? That is just a statement of faith again that we were not created.

I recommend reading Nuclear War by Annie Jacobsen. She collected the current science well and made a good narrative explaining it.

I may have heard her on youtube. I do not recall her saying that the use of ALL nukes would result in man being OK?

Yes I tend to not include things I don’t think exist in my thinking.

So all reality and what exists is dependent on your mind then?

That shows your claim about humans being able to eradicate all life is incorrect. I’m not convinced gods exist so talking about their necessity is nonsense.

Nothing in what I said does any such thing.

Pascal but even worse.

That is your attempted defence for having zero support for your claims? Try again