FLAT or ROUND Earth?

[prodromos]

No, the air is affected by the rotation of the earth, indeed it is.

And so, a helicopter, uses its blades, they spin real fast, that creates a current, like a fan, right?
Those blades are horizontal to the ground, the air they create when they spin, you know, like a fan,
that air is going to go down, and be felt most, directly under the spinning blades, just like a fan.
Except unlike fan, attached to the blades is a compartment for people
and controls that can turn the blades all manner of subtle directions.
And unlike a fan, the blades turn exceedingly fast, indeed causing much, air and lift, lifting the helicopter up off the ground, yes?

Ok, so that force that is created to cause the helicopter to lift off the ground is at odds with whatever other wind
or air is around.

A fly in your car is likely not hovering in place, and if it's inertial reference changes, because the speed of the car changes
the fly will just adjust itself accordingly.

A helicopter is supposedly moving with the rotation of the earth,
but yet can be moved about by the wind.
Hovering in place, and being moved by the wind should knock it off reference with the supposed 1000 mph rotation of the earth.
Certainly hovering in place should be a bit of an ordeal for the pilot, they should have to battle to maintain reference/balance,
however a helicopter hovering in place involves very subtle movements of the controls, it's not a battle,
they don't experience jolts in how they control things based on the wind, even though the wind can sway the helicopter.
And they should experience more than jolts, at 1000 mph, losing even 1% reference would be miles.

Dunning-Kruger effect in action

 

[contratodo]

You can't lose inertial reference. We designate an inertial reference for our observations. It doesn't go away because one of the objects moves.

What I mean is more like out of balance/sync.
For example an rc helicopter in a moving truck, if the rc is at rest and the truck is moving 20mph and the truck keeps that speed,
the rc can take off and hover in place easily. Hovering in place, if the truck begins to go faster or slower, the rc will loose its position and need to be adjusted or end up continuing to move, being out of sync with the speed of truck.

Out of sync/balance is what I mean by lose inertial reference. Becoming out of sync with the initial inertial force.

 

[prodromos]

What I mean is more like out of balance/sync.
For example an rc helicopter in a moving truck, if the rc is at rest and the truck is moving 20mph and the truck keeps that speed,
the rc can take off and hover in place easily. Hovering in place, if the truck begins to go faster or slower, the rc will loose its position and need to be adjusted or end up continuing to move, being out of sync with the speed of truck.

Out of sync/balance is what I mean by lose inertial reference. Becoming out of sync with the initial inertial force.

The earth doesn't change its rotational velocity, so your helicopter example never gets out of sync.

 

[Jipsah]

What I mean is more like out of balance/sync.
For example an rc helicopter in a moving truck, if the rc is at rest and the truck is moving 20mph and the truck keeps that speed,
the rc can take off and hover in place easily. Hovering in place, if the truck begins to go faster or slower, the rc will loose its position and need to be adjusted or end up continuing to move, being out of sync with the speed of truck.

Out of sync/balance is what I mean by lose inertial reference. Becoming out of sync with the initial inertial force.

That;s simple, made up rubbish. Your whole cosmology is based on a profound ignoraance of how anything works.

 

[Lost4words]

The earth is how the Bible describes.

The first physical thing God made was water; Proverbs 8:23-24
Then He was hovering over the water. Genesis 1:2

He made a firmament, an expanse, in the middle of the water. Genesis 1:5
To divide the waters from the waters. Genesis 1:6
And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament,
from the waters that were above the firmament: and it was so. Genesis 1:7
And God called the expanse, heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day. Genesis 1:8

Have you with Him spread out the sky? which is hard as a molten looking glass. Job 37:18


We are under the hard as a molten look glass firmament that God created.
Outside there is more water and light.
God has cloaked the heavens with darkness; Isaiah 50:3
The city of heaven has streets of transparent gold Revelation 21:21
Water flows from the throne of God Revelation 22:1

So it's not a flat earth in outer space, it's a flat plane in water.
A transparent salad bowl shaped glass upside down , a dome, in an infinite ocean of water,
the water is coming from God Himself, and flowing down and around the dome.
Under the dome, inside the dome, the water is more calm.
Also there is a protrusion, a smaller dome protruding out from the main inside of which is the garden of Eden.
This information is in the book of Enoch.
Because of the flow of water outside the dome, and that the waters inside touch the dome,
that causes cold and ice at the edges of the dome, except that there is a way into the protruding part,
after you cross enough ice, in just that right area, but, there are angels guarding the entrance to Eden.


During Operation Dominick there was Operation Fishbowl, during which bombs were shot up into the sky.
The Sagnac experiment shows that the land is not moving.
Helicopter flight is a demonstration that the land is not moving, if it were a spinning ball a helicopter
should firstly take off more violently, and also be able to hover in place and wait for the earth to move beneath it.
A helicopter flies using it's own pocket of air that is at direct odds with the air around it,
therefore it should also be at odds with the supposed rotation of the earth,
because air current is effected by the supposed rotation of the earth.

There are more than 200 such proofs that the earth is not spinning and is not a ball.
"200 proofs earth is not a spinning ball by Eric Dubay" is a must watch. (use b chute)
"Astronauts gone wild by Bart Sibrel" is another must watch.

Nasa, "nasha" in original Hebrew means "to deceive"
they use parabolic dives to accomplish some minutes of 'zero g' and they edit those minutes together to make it seem
like a longer time of being in 'zero-g'. Often you can hear the plane nose diving, and they have to hair spray the females long hair,
because it would not stay the same between all the different takes so they hold it in place with hair spray.
If you look at footage of a zero-g commercial plane for the public you will see female hair floating all over the place as one would imagine.
Clearly the effect of zero g can be achieved in a plane.
And that is what they do, fit a plane to look like a space ship, and edit together moments of nose dive parabolic 'zero-g'.

Another tactic is wires and a harness that gets edited out with cgi, there are many videos showing glitches and harness outlines in shirts.
Often they are upside down, and in a harness and so things like microphones are actually falling,
but since it is turned to seem right side up to the viewer, when the microphone falls it kind of looks like its floating,
but now that I've told you this, look and see, and you'll be able to tell that it's really falling and they have to catch it.

Another old school tactic is having things stuck to glass and moving that glass before the camera to make it look like objects are floating.
And also they use under water replicas and edit out the water with cgi.
These hollywood tactics are what are used to make the public believe in outer space.

Why?
Because the enemy does not want us to understand the true nature of creation.
Because there is a city with streets of transparent gold on top of the sky.
The heavenly city, from which water flows down and around the firmament, filling the waters outside the firmament.
In the end, the firmament is destroyed (2 Peter 3:8-12) and that city comes down.

The enemy does not want people to understand how close heaven is.
The enemy wants us to feel insignificant.
And the ideas of outer-space and aliens are part of the anti-Christ deception.
Many aspects of the end times are masked and muddied by the generational lies.

When Revelation 8 is happening people will be led to believe it's just asteroids/nukes.
When Revelation 9 is happening people will be led to believe it's just aliens.
In this manner the ends times are being masked.
And I believe the anti-Christ, one pretending to be Jesus, will say he is from another planet,
and using physical lies will explain away many spiritual things.

When it snows, it that because the dome has been moved upside down quickly?

 

[Yttrium]

What I mean is more like out of balance/sync.
For example an rc helicopter in a moving truck, if the rc is at rest and the truck is moving 20mph and the truck keeps that speed,
the rc can take off and hover in place easily. Hovering in place, if the truck begins to go faster or slower, the rc will loose its position and need to be adjusted or end up continuing to move, being out of sync with the speed of truck.

Out of sync/balance is what I mean by lose inertial reference. Becoming out of sync with the initial inertial force.

Yeah, you're not helping. It's still nonsense. There is no reference lock between the truck and the helicopter that can be lost if the truck moves from under the helicopter.

And if the rc is loose, it can just be tightened up again.

 

[Bradskii]

Yeah, you're not helping. It's still nonsense. There is no reference lock between the truck and the helicopter that can be lost if the truck moves from under the helicopter.

And if the rc is loose, it can just be tightened up again.

I think rc refers to remote control.

 

[Jipsah]

No, the air is affected by the rotation of the earth, indeed it is.

Yep. Coriolis force, caused by the spinning of the earth, effects the direction of winds.

And so, a helicopter, uses its blades, they spin real fast, that creates a current, like a fan, right?

Oh, precisely like a fan! Which is why a fan flies around the room, becaue it works on the same principle as a helicopter. <Laugh>

Those blades are horizontal to the ground

Except when they're not...

,the air they create when they spin, you know, like a fan, that air is going to go down

Except when it doesn't...

, and be felt most, directly under the spinning blades, just like a fan.

Assuming there's someone standing in the rotor wash to feel it.

Except unlike fan, attached to the blades is a compartment for people
and controls that can turn the blades all manner of subtle directions.

So the people in the compartment can direct cooling breezes toward people around the helo.

And unlike a fan, the blades turn exceedingly fast

Typically not as fast as the fan blades, but let's not split hares (hidden joke there).

, indeed causing much, air and lift, lifting the helicopter up off the ground, yes?

The same way the blowing air lifts the fan, got it.

Ok, so that force that is created to cause the helicopter to lift off the ground is at odds with whatever other wind or air is around.

Not necessarily, but it can be.

A fly in your car is likely not hovering in place

Generally neither is the helo. They're generally trying to go somewhere.

, and if it's inertial reference changes

In what way, and in relation to what?

, because the speed of the car changes he fly will just adjust itself accordingly.

Flies being extraordinarily clever in that respect.

A helicopter is supposedly moving with the rotation of the earth

Just as is everything else.

but yet can be moved about by the wind.

Just as can pretty much everything else.

Hovering in place

Which is something helos don't actually do that much.

and being moved by the wind should knock it off reference with the supposed 1000 mph rotation of the earth.

Not at all.

Certainly hovering in place should be a bit of an ordeal for the pilot

Easiest flight mode.

, they should have to battle to maintain reference/balance,

In hight winds, yeah. In calm air, nah.

however a helicopter hovering in place involves very subtle movements of the controls

Depends on the wind to which the chopper is being subjected.

,they don't experience jolts in how they control things based on the wind

Baloney.

, even though the wind can sway the helicopter.
And they should experience more than jolts, at 1000 mph, losing even 1% reference would be miles.

Pure fantasy, based on invincible, and willful, ignorance.

 

[Yttrium]

I think rc refers to remote control.

Doesn't matter.

 

[Jipsah]

Earth rotating 1000 mph, helicopter takes off, earth moves 1001 mph, helicopter loses inertial reference.

Nope.

Earth rotating 1000 mph, helicopter takes off, wind pushes helicopter 1 centimeter against the rotation, helicopter loses inertial reference.

Nope.

The wind is caused by the rotation

Nope.

, and so any movement at odds with the wind should also be at odds with the rotation, especially for something hovering in place.

Nope.

Congratulations, you've just demonstrated an amazing lack of knowldge of how anything at all works.

 

[contratodo]

Pure fantasy, based on invincible, and willful, ignorance.

Yes, that the earth is a ball spinning at 1000 mph is pure fantasy.

If the earth is really spinning at 1000 mph, the fastest way to travel would be to hover in place and allow the earth to spin beneath you.
Helicopter flight should be able to do this, and should have to account for the rotation of the earth during flight.

 

[contratodo]

Yep. Coriolis force, caused by the spinning of the earth, effects the direction of winds.

The wind is caused by the rotation

Nope.

Yep and Nope?
A 1000mph rotation does not have a major effect on wind current?

 

[Yttrium]

If the earth is really spinning at 1000 mph, the fastest way to travel would be to hover in place and allow the earth to spin beneath you.
Helicopter flight should be able to do this, and should have to account for the rotation of the earth during flight.

The First Law of Motion disagrees.

 

[prodromos]

If the earth is really spinning at 1000 mph, the fastest way to travel would be to hover in place and allow the earth to spin beneath you.
Helicopter flight should be able to do this, and should have to account for the rotation of the earth during flight.

To keep repeating this nonsense when it has been explained to you multiple times why it doesn't work like that demonstrates an incredible level of willfull ignorance, and I am being extremely generous. Others might describe it as rank stupidity.

 

[prodromos]

Yep and Nope?
A 1000mph rotation does not have a major effect on wind current?

The fact that the linear velocity at the equator is faster than the higher and lower latitudes is what causes the coriolis effect. On a flat earth there is no mechanism that could cause the coriolis effect.
Other than movement of air from high pressure areas to low pressure areas, the atmosphere is also rotating with the earth at '1000mph', so the net result is no local wind on a calm day.

 

[Jipsah]

Yes, that the earth is a ball spinning at 1000 mph is pure fantasy.

If you ignore a couple of thousand years of scientific (scary word there, huh?) study and onservation.

If the earth is really spinning at 1000 mph, the fastest way to travel would be to hover in place and allow the earth to spin beneath you.

A shame you believe such rubbish.

Helicopter flight should be able to do this, and should have to account for the rotation of the earth during flight.

Can you actually recognize a helicopter if you see one?

 

[Jipsah]

Yep and Nope?
A 1000mph rotation does not have a major effect on wind current?

Time to learn 5th Grade Science. Try Google for "Coriolis Force" and Wikipedia for "Wind".

 

[Jipsah]

The First Law of Motion disagrees.

That's Science. Science bad.

 

[Jipsah]

Yep and Nope?
A 1000mph rotation does not have a major effect on wind current?

See "Coriolis Force".

 

[stevil]

We are under the hard as a molten look glass firmament that God created.
Outside there is more water and light.
God has cloaked the heavens with darkness; Isaiah 50:3
The city of heaven has streets of transparent gold Revelation 21:21
Water flows from the throne of God Revelation 22:1

So it's not a flat earth in outer space, it's a flat plane in water.
A transparent salad bowl shaped glass upside down , a dome, in an infinite ocean of water,
the water is coming from God Himself, and flowing down and around the dome.
Under the dome, inside the dome, the water is more calm.
Also there is a protrusion, a smaller dome protruding out from the main inside of which is the garden of Eden.
This information is in the book of Enoch.
Because of the flow of water outside the dome, and that the waters inside touch the dome,
that causes cold and ice at the edges of the dome, except that there is a way into the protruding part,
after you cross enough ice, in just that right area, but, there are angels guarding the entrance to Eden.

This is a great advertisement for public schools rather than home schooling.