FLAT or ROUND Earth?

[Astrid]

The earth is how the Bible describes.

The first physical thing God made was water; Proverbs 8:23-24
Then He was hovering over the water. Genesis 1:2

He made a firmament, an expanse, in the middle of the water. Genesis 1:5
To divide the waters from the waters. Genesis 1:6
And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament,
from the waters that were above the firmament: and it was so. Genesis 1:7
And God called the expanse, heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day. Genesis 1:8

Have you with Him spread out the sky? which is hard as a molten looking glass. Job 37:18


We are under the hard as a molten look glass firmament that God created.
Outside there is more water and light.
God has cloaked the heavens with darkness; Isaiah 50:3
The city of heaven has streets of transparent gold Revelation 21:21
Water flows from the throne of God 22:1

So it's not a flat earth in outer space, it's a flat plane in water.
A transparent salad bowl shaped glass upside down , a dome, in an infinite ocean of water,
the water is coming from God Himself, and flowing down and around the dome.
Under the dome, inside the dome, the water is more calm.
Also there is a protrusion, a smaller dome protruding out from the main inside of which is the garden of Eden.
This information is in the book of Enoch.
Because of the flow of water outside the dome, and that the waters inside touch the dome,
that causes cold and ice at the edges of the dome, except that there is a way into the protruding part,
after you cross enough ice, in just that right area, but, there are angels guarding the entrance to Eden.


During Operation Dominick there was Operation Fishbowl, during which bombs were shot up into the sky.
The Sagnac experiment shows that the land is not moving.
Helicopter flight is a demonstration that the land is not moving, if it were a spinning ball a helicopter
should firstly take off more violently, and also be able to hover in place and wait for the earth to move beneath it.
A helicopter flies using it's own pocket of air that is at direct odds with the air around it,
therefore it should also be at odds with the supposed rotation of the earth,
because air current is effected by the supposed rotation of the earth.

There are more than 200 such proofs that the earth is not spinning and is not a ball.
"200 proofs earth is not a spinning ball by Eric Dubay" is a must watch. (use [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse]ute)
"Astronauts gone wild by Bart Sibrel" is another must watch.

Nasa, "nasha" in original Hebrew means "to deceive"
they use parabolic dives to accomplish some minutes of 'zero g' and they edit those minutes together to make it seem
like a longer time of being in 'zero-g'. Often you can hear the plane nose diving, and they have to hair spray the females long hair,
because it would not stay the same between all the different takes so they hold it in place with hair spray.
If you look at footage of a zero-g commercial plane for the public you will see female hair floating all over the place as one would imagine.
Clearly the effect of zero g can be achieved in a plane.
And that is what they do, fit a plane to look like a space ship, and edit together moments of nose dive parabolic 'zero-g'.

Another tactic is wires and a harness that gets edited out with cgi, there are many videos showing glitches and harness outlines in shirts.
Often they are upside down, and in a harness and so things like microphones are actually falling,
but since it is turned to seem right side up to the viewer, when the microphone falls it kind of looks like its floating,
but now that I've told you this, look and see, and you'll be able to tell that it's really falling and they have to catch it.

Another old school tactic is having things stuck to glass and moving that glass before the camera to make it look like objects are floating.
And also they use under water replicas and edit out the water with cgi.
These hollywood tactics are what are used to make the public believe in outer space.

Why?
Because the enemy does not want us to understand the true nature of creation.
Because there is a city with streets of transparent gold on top of the sky.
The heavenly city, from which water flows down and around the firmament, filling the waters outside the firmament.
In the end, the firmament is destroyed (2 Peter 3:8-12) and that city comes down.

The enemy does not want people to understand how close heaven is.
The enemy wants us to feel insignificant.
And the ideas of outer-space and aliens are part of the anti-Christ deception.
Many aspects of the end times are masked and muddied by the generational lies.

When Revelation 8 is happening people will be led to believe it's just asteroids/nukes.
When Revelation 9 is happening people will be led to believe it's just aliens.
In this manner the ends times are being masked.
And I believe the anti-Christ, one pretending to be Jesus, will say he is from another planet,
and using physical lies will explain away many spiritual things.

Amazing.

 

[Bobber]

Globers can't produce a real map of the globe! Why? Because the earth is a stationary plane! Get used to it!

My flat-earther friend decided to walk to the end of the world to prove it's flat!​

In the end, he came around.

 

[Bobber]

I wonder....would flat earthers get offended if someone said they're well rounded in their thinking? Or would they prefer someone just say they're pretty level headed?

 

[Bobber]

I'm curious. . If a Flat Earther were in an interview for a very prestige job and the interviewer asked them what hobbies do you like to do or things they do in their spare time.....would they say I like to make flat earth videos?

 

[Jipsah]

So it's not a flat earth in outer space, it's a flat plane in water.

It's neither. We're not limited to a ground-pounder's viewpointnow, nor to a poetic interpretation of how God designed the universe, so we know how it really looks. Like it or lump it.

This information is in the book of Enoch.

That's part of your problem. The "Book of Enoch" is rubbish.

During Operation Dominick there was Operation Fishbowl, during which bombs were shot up into the sky.

So?

The Sagnac experiment shows that the land is not moving.

It does no such thing.

Helicopter flight is a demonstration that the land is not moving, if it were a spinning ball a helicopter
should firstly take off more violently, and also be able to hover in place and wait for the earth to move beneath it.

Hilariously wrong.

A helicopter flies using it's own pocket of air that is at direct odds with the air around it,
therefore it should also be at odds with the supposed rotation of the earth,
because air current is effected by the supposed rotation of the earth.

Gibbertish.

There are more than 200 such proofs that the earth is not spinning and is not a ball.

If they're anything like the "proofs" youi've just cited, you should hope no one reads them. <Laugh>

they use parabolic dives to accomplish some minutes of 'zero g' and they edit those minutes together to make it seem

How does that work in a flat earth scenario?

Because the enemy does not want us to understand the true nature of creation.

The The Enemy must be a flerfer.

Because there is a city with streets of transparent gold on top of the sky.

Suuuuure there is. Sorry mate, but that's all the worst kind of rubbish, "supported" by outright lies. It has nothing to do with the Christian Faith at all Frankly, it's simply embarassing.

 

[prodromos]

Helicopter flight is a demonstration that the land is not moving, if it were a spinning ball a helicopter
should firstly take off more violently, and also be able to hover in place and wait for the earth to move beneath it.

I've seen exactly this happen on a bullet train in Japan. One of the passengers jumped in the air in the middle of the carriage and got slammed into the end of the carriage as it passed underneath him at 200km/h!!!!!

In actuality this never happened, nor could it happen due to the inertial frame of reference, which is exactly why that doesn't happen with helicopters on a rotating globe earth.

 

[Astrid]

I've seen exactly this happen on a bullet train in Japan. One of the passengers jumped in the air in the middle of the carriage and got slammed into the end of the carriage as it passed underneath him at 200km/h!!!!!

In actuality this never happened, nor could it happen due to the inertial frame of reference, which is exactly why that doesn't happen with helicopters on a rotating globe earth.

Thats nothing.
I saw it happen here at 300 kph!

 

[contratodo]

but that's all the worst kind of rubbish, "supported" by outright lies. It has nothing to do with the Christian Faith

The Bible says that there is a city with streets of transparent gold, that comes down at the end.
Revelation 21:1 "..coming down from God out of heaven.."
Revelation 22:21 "..and the street of the city was pure gold, as it were transparent glass."

Your assertions do not refute or prove anything, they are merely assertions in the face of clear examples and evidence.

 

[contratodo]

In actuality this never happened, nor could it happen due to the inertial frame of reference, which is exactly why that doesn't happen with helicopters on a rotating globe earth.

Inertial frame of reference, zero net force acting on it.

The wind acting on the helicopter should knock it off reference,
even a little bit would put it into being at odds with the supposed rotation of the earth.
The wind should knock it off reference because the helicopter is using its blades to create its own upward force of air.

For example an rc helicopter in an enclosed truck, let's say the truck is going 20mph and the helicopter lifts off at that point,
it will be able to hover fine so long as the truck maintains 20mph, if the truck goes faster or slower, the rc will loose reference.

 

[Yttrium]

it will be able to hover fine so long as the truck maintains 20mph, if the truck goes faster or slower, the rc will loose reference.

What.

No, you don't get to make up your own weird version of physics.

 

[Jipsah]

Your assertions do not refute or prove anything, they are merely assertions in the face of clear examples and evidence.

"Clear evidence" apparenly meaning "arrant hogwash" and outright falsehoods. As I said, rubbish.

If you have to make up stuff to support what you believe the Bible says (which in fact it does not) that's pretty sad commentary on your beliefs.

Flat earth is rubbish. End of.

 

[Jipsah]

Inertial frame of reference, zero net force acting on it.

On what?

The wind acting on the helicopter should knock it off reference,

Whatever that means.

even a little bit would put it into being at odds with the supposed rotation of the earth.

The air, being massless, not being affected by the rotation of the earth, right? More nonsense. comoming from people who haven't the s;lightest idea how anything works.

The wind should knock it off reference because the helicopter is using its blades to create its own upward force of air.

"Off reference" is gibberish. The helo does not work by "creating an upward force of air", which is also nonsense.

For example an rc helicopter in an enclosed truck, let's say the truck is going 20mph and the helicopter lifts off at that point,
it will be able to hover fine so long as the truck maintains 20mph, if the truck goes faster or slower, the rc will loose reference.

Nope, completely wrong.

If there's a fly in your car bothering you, can you slam on the brakes and cause it to crash into the windshield? Try it and see.

Ignorance is an amazing thing.

 

[prodromos]

Inertial frame of reference, zero net force acting on it.

That includes the earth's atmosphere which is rotating with the earth.

The wind acting on the helicopter should knock it off reference,
even a little bit would put it into being at odds with the supposed rotation of the earth.
The wind should knock it off reference because the helicopter is using its blades to create its own upward force of air.

The wind is caused by air movement from high pressure areas to low pressure areas as well as due to the Coriolis effect. It is not motionless air with the earth spinning beneath it. Moving surfaces drag the surrounding air, otherwise we would not even feel the effect of wind.

For example an rc helicopter in an enclosed truck, let's say the truck is going 20mph and the helicopter lifts off at that point,
it will be able to hover fine so long as the truck maintains 20mph, if the truck goes faster or slower, the rc will loose reference.

Only to the same extent passengers on a bus will feel the effects of the bus accelerating or braking. The earth spins at a constant rate, so there is no loss of reference.

 

[prodromos]

Ignorance is an amazing thing.

But is nothing in comparison to willful ignorance. To willingly reject what is plainly apparent.

 

[Bradskii]

The wind is caused by air movement from high pressure areas to low pressure areas as well as due to the Coriolis effect.

I heard that the wind is caused by trees waving their branches around. I can actually see It happening in my garden right now.

 

[prodromos]

I heard that the wind is caused by trees waving their branches around. I can actually see It happening in my garden right now.

For hurricane winds, they must generate the wind through the force of their will. They lean and point their branches in the direction they want the wind to go and "will" the wind into being. Obviously it is a collaborative effort. The trees and shrubs in a given area all work together in concert, all willing the wind in a particular direction.

Gosh, there is so much we have yet to learn about our venerable vegetables.

 

[contratodo]

The air, being massless, not being affected by the rotation of the earth, right?

No, the air is affected by the rotation of the earth, indeed it is.

And so, a helicopter, uses its blades, they spin real fast, that creates a current, like a fan, right?
Those blades are horizontal to the ground, the air they create when they spin, you know, like a fan,
that air is going to go down, and be felt most, directly under the spinning blades, just like a fan.
Except unlike fan, attached to the blades is a compartment for people
and controls that can turn the blades all manner of subtle directions.
And unlike a fan, the blades turn exceedingly fast, indeed causing much, air and lift, lifting the helicopter up off the ground, yes?

Ok, so that force that is created to cause the helicopter to lift off the ground is at odds with whatever other wind
or air is around.

A fly in your car is likely not hovering in place, and if it's inertial reference changes, because the speed of the car changes
the fly will just adjust itself accordingly.

A helicopter is supposedly moving with the rotation of the earth,
but yet can be moved about by the wind.
Hovering in place, and being moved by the wind should knock it off reference with the supposed 1000 mph rotation of the earth.
Certainly hovering in place should be a bit of an ordeal for the pilot, they should have to battle to maintain reference/balance,
however a helicopter hovering in place involves very subtle movements of the controls, it's not a battle,
they don't experience jolts in how they control things based on the wind, even though the wind can sway the helicopter.
And they should experience more than jolts, at 1000 mph, losing even 1% reference would be miles.

 

[Yttrium]

And they should experience more than jolts, at 1000 mph, losing even 1% reference would be miles.

You don't "lose reference". That doesn't make any physical sense.

 

[contratodo]

You don't "lose reference". That doesn't make any physical sense.

Earth rotating 1000 mph, helicopter takes off, earth moves 1001 mph, helicopter loses inertial reference.
Earth rotating 1000 mph, helicopter takes off, wind pushes helicopter 1 centimeter against the rotation, helicopter loses inertial reference.

The wind is caused by the rotation, and so any movement at odds with the wind should also be at odds with the rotation, especially for something hovering in place.

 

[Yttrium]

Earth rotating 1000 mph, helicopter takes off, earth moves 1001 mph, helicopter loses inertial reference.

You can't lose inertial reference. We designate an inertial reference for our observations. It doesn't go away because one of the objects moves.