FLAT or ROUND Earth?

[Edwin Wright]

You do realise you are talking to a corgi

It's all about diversity!

 

[Edwin Wright]

Can you read woof language?

No, but seriously, how well has he trained you?

 

[Bradskii]

Your enthusiasm is inspirational. (I assume you are referring to the entire website.) To determine (in part) your relevance to Plane Geodesy from the perspective of its overall content (as opposed to a somewhat specialized niche), please forward us your curriculum vitae (including a list of your affiliations) for our review. Also, please include your fee structure. You can email said documents and related information to info@planegeodesy.com. We will get back to you. Thank you for your interest in Plane Geodesy. Take care.

Does my cv have to equate to yours? I think I need to know what I'm up aganist before I start wasting my time.

 

[prodromos]

Your enthusiasm is inspirational. (I assume you are referring to the entire website.) To determine (in part) your relevance to Plane Geodesy from the perspective of its overall content (as opposed to a somewhat specialized niche), please forward us your curriculum vitae (including a list of your affiliations) for our review. Also, please include your fee structure. You can email said documents and related information to info@planegeodesy.com. We will get back to you. Thank you for your interest in Plane Geodesy. Take care.

Where is your curriculum vitae?

 

[Lost4words]

No, but seriously, how well has he trained you?

No!!! I have trained them! Seriously!

 

[Edwin Wright]

Where is your curriculum vitae?

Where is yours? If you (or anyone else for that matter) are chomping at the bit to peer review the site, send us the same information requested from Bradskii; otherwise, have a nice day.

Where is your curriculum vitae?

Where is your curriculum vitae?

Where is your curriculum vitae?

 

[Edwin Wright]

Does my cv have to equate to yours? I think I need to know what I'm up aganist before I start wasting my time.

Not at all. You have absolutely nothing to worry about. If you are approved, we will send you some documents for your signature. Think of it as a peer review of the peer reviewer so to speak.

 

[prodromos]

Where is yours?

Im not the one who is publishing.

 

[Edwin Wright]

Im not the one who is publishing.

Irrelevant. Our site has been published and is open to public scrutiny. But anyone offering us a service (in this case, a peer review) is required to send us the requisite background information. You're the one that suggested a peer review service. If you wish to participate in that process, please send us your CV, affiliations, and fee structure.

 

[Bradskii]

Not at all.

Then it seems that I have all the qualifications I need to critique your (ahem) papers.

 

[Edwin Wright]

Then it seems that I have all the qualifications I need to critique your (ahem) papers.

Not necessarily. You questioned your CV in relation to mine; that question is irrelevant for the purpose of your proposed peer review of that which is already online. If you are serious about this, then send us the documents requested. But if you wish to be an armchair critic, that's fine. Folks like that are a dime a dozen.

 

[Bradskii]

Not necessarily. You questioned your CV in relation to mine; that question is irrelevant for the purpose of your proposed peer review of that which is already online. If you are serious about this, then send us the documents requested. But if you wish to be an armchair critic, that's fine. Folks like that are a dime a dozen.

So you want qualified people to critique claims by unqualified people? I'll bet you don't...

 

[Bradskii]

Not at all. You have absolutely nothing to worry about. If you are approved, we will send you some documents for your signature.

No need. I have what I need on your site.

From here: Heliocentrism Refuted: Experimental Proof of a Stationary Earth

'After flying almost due south for about 5 hours at an (alleged) west → east tangential velocity of 397km hr less than that of the arrival runway at BOG, Avianca Flight AV21 would soon realize that their destination (i.e., the arrival runway at BOG) was 1,985km (i.e., 5hr×397km hr) east of the aircraft’s position — now flying over the Pacific Ocean about 625km north-northwest (NNW) of the Galápagos Islands.'

It seems like the guy who wrote that has realised that as we live on a spherical world then Bogota is moving laterally eastward quicker than NY. It's as if you were at the equator and walked around the world it would take you a couple of years, but if you were standing at the north pole it would take you a couple of minutes. But...he then concludes that if the world was a sphere then Bogota moves around the planet quicker than NY (no, that's seriously the point he is making). Because he is confusing lateral speed with angular velocity. It's as monstrously dumb as saying that the bottom of a tall building would move around the world slower than the top because the speed at the bottom is slower than the speed at the top.

Yep, that is exactly what his argument is. And pointing out the difference between linear and angular velocity should be enough. It's covered in junior school. Angular velocity Facts for Kids

If that is too much for our friends at planegeodesy then may be they could simply get hold of a globe, draw a line between NY and Bogota and then spin the globe. Do the cities change position in relationship to each other? Spoiler alert...no, they don't.

And as for the plane sitting on the runway at NY... It's lateral speed in any direction to the runway way is zero. Exactly the same as it's lateral speed in any direction relative to the runway way in Bogota. So when it takes off it follows that line that was drawn on the globe. And will not find itself after a few hours, to the express astonishment of some people here, in the Galapagos Islands.

 

[d taylor]

At its root, the Flat Earth delusion is demonic.
And It rejects Scriptural standards for truth.
Christians who espouse that falsehood bring ill repute to those trying to share the Gospel.

Faithful Witnesses: The Resurrection, and The Moon Landings

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Interesting that same claim that is being made about God's creation described in The Bible (being demonic). Is the same claim the religious leaders made about Jesus and the miracles He was doing to prove and show the nation of Israel. He Jesus is/was he promised Messiah of Israel, from the prophecies of The Tanakh (Matthew 12)

 

[Tropical Wilds]

I hear a lot of Christians saying that we live on a flat earth and nobody can go in or out the earth. Is the Bible clear on this subject?

This is one of those topics where you should probably check in with science and not the Bible.

 

[Edwin Wright]

So you want qualified people to critique claims by unqualified people? I'll bet you don't...

You are the (supposedly) qualified individual offering a peer review. If that is not within your purview (no play on words intended), then stay the course, mate.

 

[Bradskii]

You are the (supposedly) qualified individual offering a peer review.

Yep. I know the difference between lateral and radial velocity. That's my qualification. As is the qualification of most 13 year old children. It's basic maths. The guy who wrote the nonsense I quoted a few posts ago missed school when it was being explained.

Why are you listening to him?

 

[Paul Shunamon]

I hear a lot of Christians saying that we live on a flat earth and nobody can go in or out the earth. Is the Bible clear on this subject?

I am not isolated but despite the myths of the ancient past NO ONE even then actually believed the earth was flat.

 

[Lost4words]

No 'Real' scientist or Theologian would claim the earth is flat. There is zero evidence in both professions!

 

[essentialsaltes]

It's as monstrously dumb as saying that the bottom of a tall building would move around the world slower than the top because the speed at the bottom is slower than the speed at the top.

Well, certainly both the top and bottom make a daily trip in a day. But the top travels in a slightly larger circle, so has a slightly larger linear velocity (which is related to the angular velocity by multiplying by the radius, which is slightly longer for the top than the bottom).

And this distance from the axis of rotation can have significant effects.

For instance, since we live on a spinning globe, the distance from a point on the surface to the axis of rotation depends on latitude. Points nearer the equator travel in bigger circles, so have larger linear velocities (with respect to a 'fixed' frame of reference at the center of the earth for instance). For this reason, rocket launch facilities are (within reason) preferentially placed near the equator. Kennedy in Florida, Vandenberg in California. The Europeans launch from French Guiana in South America. The Soviets/Russians are a bit more limited in their geography, but they launch from Baikonur in Kazakhstan. No disrespect to Borat, but there's no reason to put the pride of Russian space travel in Kazakhstan other than latitude.

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Something else you said is also pertinent. That the planes at rest at the airports are at rest. However, there really is a difference in their linear velocities as measured from some fixed reference frame.

But something else is also at rest at the two airports -- at least on average. The atmosphere. Sure the wind may blow a few miles an hour here or there, but there's no 300 mph difference or whatever the different in linear velocities is between the two locations. Why not? Well the atmosphere is not a solid spherical layer (nor is it a vacuum with no effect on things in it), it's a fluid with friction that sticks it to the surface of the earth to some degree. But the atmosphere also has to deal with this difference of linear velocities by latitude, which is why (since we live on a spinning globe) we see the Coriolis Effect in the counterclockwise spin of hurricanes in the Northern Hemisphere, and the clockwise spin of cyclones in the Southern.

Nevertheless, step by step, degree of latitude by degree of latitude, the atmosphere is locally at rest with the surface of the earth.

Anyway to finally connect all these things together, airplanes of course fly in this atmospheric fluid that's locally at rest at both origin and destination. As discussed further up thread, planes adjust their airspeed to account for the windspeed (i.e. the motion of the atmosphere) to produce a groundspeed that follows that 'fixed' line of your drawn on the globe connecting Bogota to NYC.

Step by step, degree of latitude by degree of latitude, any required changes in linear velocity is introduced to the plane via the medium in which it is travelling.