FLAT or ROUND Earth?

[essentialsaltes]

No. The truth is it is more important a matter of faith or choosing what to believe / what not to believe.

Reality is not a choose-your-own-reality adventure.

No one can prove their point of view to another.

Eratosthenes demonstrated the sphericity of the earth to the satisfaction of a consensus of the ancients.

 

[essentialsaltes]

The ancients aren't here. They are all dead and buried.

His demonstration (and those of the other ancients) was so good that it's been transmitted down to us today, and no competing hypothesis has displaced it. It remains the consensus picture of how to explain the relevant evidence.

 

[BNR32FAN]

No. The truth is it is more important a matter of faith or choosing what to believe / what not to believe.
No one can prove their point of view to another.

Try if you will, for fifty years, and fail.....

You said there’s a map of the earth that is to scale. How is that unprovable? Just post it and bam you just proved it. The reason you won’t post it is because it doesn’t exists. It can’t possibly exist because it’s impossible to create. All you’re doing is making empty claims then refusing to provide any evidence to back them up. Choosing to ignore the truth isn’t faith. Faith is not based on a lie it’s based on truth, believing what is real not what is fiction. God doesn’t teach us to have faith in lies or fiction He teaches us to have faith in what is real.

 

[Tinker Grey]

No. My claim is simply what the Creator Himself Says. No argument .

The creator said nothing of butterflies nor infants learning from them. No argument.

 

[d taylor]

Because some questions are answered better by God through science.

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So God needed to use a field that has its roots in paganism. Which contradicts His written accounts in The Bible of His creation, to help explain the creation He created.

 

[d taylor]

"The God who made the world and everything in it, being Lord of heaven and earth, does not live in temples made by man, nor is he served by human hands,

as though he needed anything, since he himself gives to all mankind life and breath and everything. 26 And he made from one man every nation of mankind to live on all the face of the earth, having determined allotted periods and the boundaries of their dwelling place, 27 that they should seek God, and perhaps feel their way toward him and find him. Yet he is actually not far from each one of us, 28 for

“‘In him we live and move and have our being’;[d]
as even some of your own poets have said,

“‘For we are indeed his offspring.’[e]
29 Being then God's offspring, we ought not to think that the divine being is like gold or silver or stone, an image formed by the art and imagination of man. 30 The times of ignorance God overlooked, but now he commands all people everywhere to repent, 31 because he has fixed a day on which he will judge the world in righteousness by a man whom he has appointed; and of this he has given assurance to all by raising him from the dead.”

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But the modern day church person thinks God needs the help of science. Science has really scared so many they dare not to speak a word against science.

 

[essentialsaltes]

Science has really scared so many they dare not to speak a word against science.​

I doubt that.

 

[essentialsaltes]

anyone seeking to publish the truth is silenced quickly, when it is convenient.

Do you have some examples of that that you could share, or is the evidence buried somewhere under the map you have declined to show us?

 

[BNR32FAN]

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But the modern day church person thinks God needs the help of science. Science has really scared so many they dare not to speak a word against science.

On the contrary I for one am a YEC and a believer in a 7 day creation. Unlike the flat earth theory no one can prove these wrong. The flat earth theory has been proven wrong numerous times.

 

[Lost4words]

How about the trillions of lies by nasa, \gov.,, religions, billionaires, and so on ?
i.e. a lot more lies that actually trick people and affect everyone way way more ?

Lol....its only lies claimed by flat earth believers!!

 

[Lost4words]

Nobody can or ever has, proven that the earth is flat. Ever!

The flat earth 'maps' are pure fantasy. They are akin to cartoon drawings! Nothing is to scale!

God gave us His creation. He gave us the means to learn and discover.

Nowhere in the Bible does it state that the earth is flat. Its only people grossly misinterpreting God's word, trying to make out that He created a flat earth!!!

Look up into the sky. Every planet, moon, star is a sphere!!! So too is the earth!!

 

[HantsUK]

Then point that out to National Geographic as well because they are saying the same thing. See their video linked at ANALYSIS OF A NATIONAL GEOGRAPHIC VIDEO IMPLIES THAT THE EARTH IS STATIONARY.

Commerical aircraft are not thrown. Anaylsing the movement of a powered aircraft that is flying through the air as if it is like a bullet, or ball, or even a paper aircraft is wrong. The analogy is incorrect. This has already been pointed out by myself and others several times.

 

[Bradskii]

A stationary plane on the runway at either location is obviously not moving RELATIVE to the runway but would be moving WITH the allegedly rotating earth at the same angular velocity but with different tangential velocities.

From here: What is the Coriolis effect?

'As discussed earlier the effect of Coriolis effect on a hypothetical plane, the word hypothetical was used just to signify that the frame of reference for watching the plane was several kilometers away from the atmosphere of earth. If this frame of reference is taken on earth itself i.e. we are observing a plane flying over our head standing on the surface of earth then Coriolis effect won't play any role as we are also moving with the atmosphere of earth. So it is all about the frame of reference which we are talking about.

Coriolis effect would play an important role in case of Rocket Propulsion as rockets leave the atmosphere of earth.

Though the Coriolis effect does not affect the airplanes directly it has an indirect effect on the flight path by producing various phenomenon related to wind motion such as vortex winds, Jet streams etc.'

You are ignoring the frame of reference. The maths is useless unless you take that into consideration. The only adjustment any plane makes is, as it says, due to atmospheric conditions. It plainly says (and you will completely ignore this) that the Coriolis effect won't play any role.

I might have a browse later to see what other nonsense is on that website. In the meantime, do you have a copy of the map that was requested earlier? You know, one to scale that shows the correct sizes of continents?

 

[prodromos]

So God needed to use a field that has its roots in paganism. Which contradicts His written accounts in The Bible of His creation, to help explain the creation He created.​

The Greek language has its roots in paganism, yet God used it to spread the Gospel throughout the world.

 

[prodromos]

"But the reader need not be too concerned with such technical matters. One only has to visit an amusement park merry-go-round to fully understand the underlying concept of a stationary earth. From the perspective of tangential velocity, a rotating disk (i.e., the merry-go-round) is conceptually equivalent to a rotating sphere or spheroid (i.e., the (allegedly) spheroidal, rotating earth). (See [Note 1] below.)

The earth is essentially a closed system while the merry-go-round is an open system. The atmosphere on the earth rotates with the earth while the atmosphere in the merry-go-round is stationary

Have one person stand near the center of the merry-go-round (where the tangential velocity is low) and another person stand near its periphery (where the tangential velocity is much higher). Have the person near the center attempt to throw a soccer ball to the person near the periphery.

So in your analogy, your soccer ball will be equivalent to something like the land mass of New Zealand

Assuming counterclockwise rotation of the merry-go-round (relative to the person near the center facing outward—conceptually equivalent to the (allegedly) counterclockwise rotation of the earth relative to Avianca Flight AV21 from New York flying south), unless the person near the center throws the soccer ball sufficiently counterclockwise of the person near the periphery, the soccer ball will exit the merry-go-round somewhat clockwise of the person near the periphery, just as Avianca Flight AV21 (originating in New York and therefore nearer to the (so-called) North Pole or rotational axis of the (allegedly) spheroidal, rotating earth) would be over the Pacific Ocean approximately 625km NNW of the Galápagos Islands upon reaching the latitude of Bogotá (i.e., clockwise of the airport at Bogotá located just under 5° from the equator and therefore close to the periphery or maximum rotational radius of the (allegedly) spheroidal, rotating earth).

"[Note 1] The essential concept being that for both a disk and a sphere (or spheroid) rotating at a constant angular velocity, the tangential velocity is directly and exclusively proportional to the radial distance from the rotational axis."

For your analogy to have any basis in reality, the merry-go-round would need to be fully enclosed and rotating at a speed of 1 revolution per day. Instead of a soccer ball being thrown, you would need an incredibly lightweight craft capable of propelling itself in the direction pointed. In this case the drag of the air moving with the merry-go-round closed system, would easily counter any inertia towards the direction the craft was initially launched.

Your analogy fails because it only deals with one of the forces involved, and ignores the effect of many other much stronger forces involved in flight around the globe through the earth's atmosphere.

 

[Lost4words]

No, not even related to fe. See online dozens if not hundreds of categories, each with more and more mis-direction, deception, and promoting of false "facts" and/or ideas.
No flat earth believers nor their statements are needed - it is entirely separate from them.

Links to these?

 

[Lost4words]

maybe not to you. A lot of others differ:

"10 reasons Flat Earthers say prove the Earth is flat"​

"Here’s the real reason so many people now believe the Earth is flat"

All pure fantasy. All truly unscientific. All 100% unproven.

 

[Bobber]

No it’s a fact, sunsets and sunrises are impossible on a flat earth. If you disagree then perhaps you can explore how it is possible that the sun would set in one place and be rising in another and be straight overhead in between those two places and all of this is happening at the exact same time. And the “flashlight” explanation doesn’t work because the sun is always perfectly visible circle which can’t happen with the flashlight theory.

I don't think that can be refuted.

 

[Bobber]

If there are Christians that believe in flat earth I don't know why they're even want to talk about it. Let's assume it was true, which I don't believe is. What is there to be gained in the advancement for the Kingdom of God to make it a focus to bring forth. To me it would be totally counter productive on one's influence to reach people. They think you're flat earth what are they going to believe with anything

else you would say.....like preaching the actual truth of the gospel......what Jesus came and did to provide salvation. If they think you're a nut and a crazy person they could then reject the REAL TRUTH of the gospel. I'd say Flat E Christians need to do the math. Out of 100 people you might get a 2 or 3 that will accept it.....but the 98% of people will reject it and then anything else you might say. Doesn't seem worth it.

 

[Bobber]

I think the FL Earth issue is a distraction. Men are good at doing this themselves but I believe it's the devil who set these things up too. Christians have a mandate to go and get people saved. FL Earth stuff get's people off base. Think of baseball. The goal is to make it around from 1st, 2nd, 3rd and home. Keep the focus! You lead off of he bases too far the pitcher might throw the ball to the baseman tag you and you're out. You went off the base too far and got yourself
in trouble. FL Earth believing can make you lose credibility with your testimony.....Don't let that happen.