FLAT or ROUND Earth?

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Again, let's not just look at the circle.

There's also that passage I quoted about "as far as the east is from the west."

Put the two passages together, and you have an east-west plane with a north-south circle.

In other words, a three dimensional sphere.

... that makes no sense at all.

The passage says circle, so why is it hard to admit, as a literalist, that it's saying circle? Or do your Boolean standards just take a hike here?

 

[AV1611VET]

... that makes no sense at all.

The passage says circle, so why is it hard to admit, as a literalist, that it's saying circle? Or do your Boolean standards just take a hike here?

Have you been following the conversation?

Did I say it was anything other than a circle?

It's a circle.

Isaiah 40:22a It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth,

Add that passage with this passage ...

Psalm 103:12 As far as the east is from the west, so far hath he removed our transgressions from us.

... and you have a sphere.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Have you been following the conversation?

Did I say it was anything other than a circle?

It's a circle.

Isaiah 40:22a It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth,

Add that passage with this passage ...

Psalm 103:12 As far as the east is from the west, so far hath he removed our transgressions from us.

... and you have a sphere.

Except that Psalm 103 isn't talking about a physical object. It's being metaphorical.

Since the preceding and succeeding verses are:

Psalm 103:11 - For as the heaven is high above the earth, so great is his mercy toward them that fear him.

And

Psalm 103:13 - Like as a father pitieth his children, so the Lord pitieth them that fear him.

It's not talking about an actual physical thing: it's a poem about God.

Although of course for you and your ilk, the Bible is literal only when you want it and allegorical only when you want it.

 

[essentialsaltes]

Psalm 103:12 As far as the east is from the west, so far hath he removed our transgressions from us.

... and you have a sphere.

All that's saying is that east is as far away as possible from west. They are on opposite sides of the compass.

It is a metaphor.

No one is literally putting your sins at some location on earth. They are being put 'far away'.

This verse is not saying anything about what maps look like, much less the earth. Just that east and west are opposites.

 

[AV1611VET]

Although of course for you and your ilk, the Bible is literal only when you want it and allegorical only when you want it.

If you have a better interpretation, let's hear it.

 

[AV1611VET]

This verse is not saying anything about what maps look like, much less the earth. Just that east and west are opposites.

Fair enough.

If you have a better explanation, I'm all ears eyes.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

If you have a better interpretation, let's hear it.

It's a poetic metaphor, nothing else. Considering that the verses surrounding it are comparing God to other things, then it's clearly not talking about an actual sphere or circle or place.

As far as the east is from the west, so far hath he removed our transgressions from us. = God has taken our sins and taken them far away from us.

It's poetry! And I hate that CF has so many problems with it's bolding font thing.

 

[AV1611VET]

It's poetry!

Fair enough.

And I hate that CF has so many problems with it's bolding font thing.

Bolding font thing?

All you have to do is use the codes [ b] and [/ b].

Or highlight what you want bolded, then click the B on the task bar.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Bolding font thing?

All you have to do is use the codes [ b] and [/ b].

Or highlight what you want bolded, then click the B on the task bar.

Yeah, but if you and paste something that's bold, even if you switch the B in the task bar off, it still sets everything as bolded font. Really annoying because if I didn't switch it, it'd have looked like I was shouting at you.

 

[essentialsaltes]

Fair enough.

If you have a better explanation, I'm all ears eyes.

It's not that controversial that the cosmology depicted in the OT is a firmament (erected like a tent) over a flat earth.

 

[AV1611VET]

Yeah, but if you and paste something that's bold, even if you switch the B in the task bar off, it still sets everything as bolded font. Really annoying because if I didn't switch it, it'd have looked like I was shouting at you.

If you look at the top right of the task bar, there is a back arrow that says "undo," a forward arrow that says "redo," a set of brackets that says "toggle BB code," and a Preview button.

Just copy and paste your item, click on the "toggle BB code" button ( the brackets that look like this: [ ] ), and delete
the [ b] and [/ b] codes.

Then click on the "toggle BB code" button again, and it's gone.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

If you look at the top right of the task bar, there is a back arrow that says "undo," a forward arrow that says "redo," a set of brackets that says "toggle BB code," and a Preview button.

Just copy and paste your item, click on the "toggle BB code" button ( the brackets that look like this: [ ] ), and delete
the [ b] and [/ b] codes.

Then click on the "toggle BB code" button again, and it's gone.

Thanks for the heads up.

 

[AV1611VET]

Thanks for the heads up.

Yup.

 

[contratodo]

Again, let's not just look at the circle.

There's also that passage I quoted about "as far as the east is from the west."

Put the two passages together, and you have an east-west plane with a north-south circle.

In other words, a three dimensional sphere.

Yes, let's put passages together and see what the Bible says.


"The dry land He called Earth" Genesis 1:10

"It is he that sits above the circle of the land and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers."
Isaiah 40:22

"Where were you when I laid the foundations of the land?"

"Who shut up the sea with doors, when it brake forth as if it had issued out of the womb?"

"And set for it its limit, and set bars and doors,
and said, to here shall thou come and no further:
and here shall your proud waves be stayed?"

"[the ends of the earth] is turned as clay to the seal;
and they stand as a garment."

Job 38:4-14

A dome set upon waters, limiting the waters under it from going further,
and causing a seal, God sitting on top. In a city with streets of transparent gold.

The Bible also tells us water is coming from the throne of God Revelation 22:1
The city is on top of the sky now, Gods throne in the middle of the city,
and therefore water flowing down and around the dome.

Proverbs 8:23-24 lets us know water was the first physical thing created,
water from God Himself. And He made a firmament, in the midst of the waters,
to divide the water from the water. That is what the Bible says.
The waters under the firmament are held in by the firmament Job 38:10-11
The stars were placed in the firmament Genesis 1:14
The dry land is under the firmament Genesis 1:9
We, are under a great dome, hard as a molten looking glass. Job 37:18

 

[Ophiolite]

Yeah, but if you and paste something that's bold, even if you switch the B in the task bar off, it still sets everything as bolded font. Really annoying because if I didn't switch it, it'd have looked like I was shouting at you.

I think if you use the "paste without formatting option" this problem does not arise, but it might be influenced by where you are copying from. I haven't tested it rigorously, but it works for me.

 

[DennisF]

Isaiah 40:22

22 He sits enthroned above the circle of the earth; its dwellers are like grasshoppers. He stretches out the heavens like a curtain, and spreads them out like a tent to dwell in.

When you look at the lexicon .... it's defined as a vault ... a vault has a ceiling ... an arch (has a ceiling)

So the way I look at it (using Isaiah) .. is the earth is basically round with in a vault (contained) that has a see through and penetratable ceiling

science defines the see through ceiling as atmosphere (vault)

In that regard ... no the earth isn't flat. If nobody can go outside of the earth .... then all reported space exploration, hubble telescopes etc. are the biggest and most expensive hoax(s) pulled off in history LOL .... so like all the astronauts were hollywood actors and everything is cgi created? LOL

can't go in or out of the earth???

Satellites are sent into space by a rocket launched from the ground with enough energy (at least 25,039 mph!) to get outside our atmosphere.

While there are about 2,000 active satellites orbiting Earth at the moment, there are also 3,000 dead ones littering space.

not sure if I'm explaining very well ... LOL

Might add the second part of the verse is interesting as well .... stretches (continuous) and science says the universe is continuously expanding.

The best response to the flat-earth proposal was given on Quora by Tom McNamara (engineering PhD from MIT in electro-optics) who wrote: The earth looks flat where I am. How about where you are?

He proposed that readers scattered across the earth make the same observation and report. If people from the Americas, Asia, Africa, India, all report that the earth looks flat where they are, then can we not conclude that, by multiple direct observations, the earth is flat?

A similar experiment could establish that the sun goes around the earth, by observing at various places on the earth's surface, whether during the day the sun goes around them, from east to west, across the sky or not. Isn't this "how science works" based on observation?

 

[BobRyan]

The best response to the flat-earth proposal was given on Quora by Tom McNamara (engineering PhD from MIT in electro-optics) who wrote: The earth looks flat where I am. How about where you are?

He proposed that readers scattered across the earth make the same observation and report. If people from the Americas, Asia, Africa, India, all report that the earth looks flat where they are, then can we not conclude that, by multiple direct observations, the earth is flat?

A similar experiment could establish that the sun goes around the earth, by observing at various places on the earth's surface, whether during the day the sun goes around them, from east to west, across the sky or not. Isn't this "how science works" based on observation?

One not-so-tiny detail left out there --

How High One Must Be to See the Curvature of the Earth? - Our Planet

Even on top of a high mountain, one cannot see the Earth's curvature. So, how high do you have to be to see the curvature of the Earth?

ourplnt.com

See the curvature of the Earth

if we are just looking for science and direct observation - then as we see in the article above - the curvature of the Earth becomes visible to the eye at 35,000.

Flat earth response: therefore it is reasonable to conclude that if we find that someone standing at sea level - and looking 6 feet off the ground claims the curvature can't be seen - this is clear proof that the world is flat -- if you get enough of those people to say it at different points on Earth.

So my question is -- how many would take that as a serious conclusion given the evidence of direct observation at 35000 feet in an airplane?

 

[Bradskii]

The best response to the flat-earth proposal was given on Quora by Tom McNamara (engineering PhD from MIT in electro-optics) who wrote: The earth looks flat where I am. How about where you are?

He proposed that readers scattered across the earth make the same observation and report. If people from the Americas, Asia, Africa, India, all report that the earth looks flat where they are, then can we not conclude that, by multiple direct observations, the earth is flat?

A similar experiment could establish that the sun goes around the earth, by observing at various places on the earth's surface, whether during the day the sun goes around them, from east to west, across the sky or not. Isn't this "how science works" based on observation?

Maybe they could ask people in the UK to point out the Southern Cross. And those in Australia to look out for the North Star. If the world is flat then they should all be visible to everyone. You can explain why they aren't.

And then someone in the UK can take a picture of a full moon. Then someone in Australia can do the same. And then you can tell us why one picture is upside down compared to the other.

 

[ViaCrucis]

The best response to the flat-earth proposal was given on Quora by Tom McNamara (engineering PhD from MIT in electro-optics) who wrote: The earth looks flat where I am. How about where you are?

He proposed that readers scattered across the earth make the same observation and report. If people from the Americas, Asia, Africa, India, all report that the earth looks flat where they are, then can we not conclude that, by multiple direct observations, the earth is flat?

A similar experiment could establish that the sun goes around the earth, by observing at various places on the earth's surface, whether during the day the sun goes around them, from east to west, across the sky or not. Isn't this "how science works" based on observation?

When I'm driving on the highway I observe that the mountains and trees are moving. Therefore, the mountains and the trees are moving.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[Saber Truth Tiger]

When I'm driving on the highway I observe that the mountains and trees are moving. Therefore, the mountains and the trees are moving.

-CryptoLutheran

Maybe if you had a friend in China you could trust, have him call you when the sun is overhead at 12pm his time and see if the sun is up where you live.