FLAT or ROUND Earth?

[HantsUK]

It matters not whether we are considering a projectile or a self-powered object. As pointed out to Bradskii in response to his frame of reference argument, it is the conservation of (in this case) the plane's original tangential (not directional) velocity:

"The frame of reference is not the issue here. Simply put, when the plane departs New York, it departs (i.e., detaches from the solid earth’s surface) with the (west → east) tangential velocity of the allegedly rotating earth at the latitude of New York. Unless the laws of physics have changed, that (west → east) tangential velocity is conserved as the plane flies south. When the plane reaches the latitude of Bogotá, the plane because its (conserved) tangential velocity has not increased with the increasing tangential velocity of the allegedly rotating earth in the direction of the equator, is now at westerly longitude, its location estimated to be somewhere NNW of the Galápagos Islands. There is simply no atmospheric or aerodynamical process that compensates for that increase in tangential velocity. Publicly available flight records indicate the flight (New York and Bogotá being on similar meridians) is due south (i.e., not compensating for the allegedly tangential component). But again, not to worry. No navigation issues here because the earth DOES NOT MOVE."

I would never get on a plane that could not change direction!

Planes have engines. Planes have the means to change direction (such as flaps on their wings). Thus there are forces acting on the plane that will change its velocity (which includes direction).

So, yes, it does matter that a plane is self-powered and can steer.

 

[Bradskii]

The frame of reference is not the issue here.

It's completely the issue. Your nonsensical claim would suggest that for a helicopter to get from NY to LA all it would need to do is rise into the air and let the world turn beneath it. How people believe this stuff is beyond me.

Yes, concerning the map, there is such a map but not in the public domain. But I am only aware of it anecdotally.

Not in the public domain? What? You mean no-one has drawn a map of the flat world to show what it looks like that is available to the public? Is there some secret password we need to access it? Please, don't treat me like an idiot. If you claim the world is flat then show us what it looks like.

Your commentary footer includes a quote from Theodosius Dobzhansky. Accordingly, you may be interested in reviewing our article titled, Evolution Refuted by the Ribosme.

Stick to the topic. A map if you please.

 

[Lost4words]

Well, all beliefs are personal. But you may want to take that up with Edwin Wright: FLAT or ROUND Earth?

Equating personal belief to Catholic doctrine is wrong.

I was stating that the poster was stating their own belief not that of the Catholic church.

 

[Lost4words]

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How the New Jerusalem a 1500 mile square cube fits on a globe earth

This just shows how badly you interpret scripture to suit your very own unique beliefs!

 

[Reasonably Sane]

Equating personal belief to Catholic doctrine is wrong.

I was stating that the poster was stating their own belief not that of the Catholic church.

I'll accept that because I'm no expert on the full beliefs of Catholicism. But what puzzles me is that everyone that makes that claim also claims to be Catholic. At least that is my anecdotal experience.

 

[Reasonably Sane]

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How the New Jerusalem a 1500 mile square cube fits on a globe earth

God uses holy bulldozers to carve out a flat spot.

But seriously, it really doesn't matter. We read way too much into the interpretation of a dream. I doubt very seriously that Jesus will come back literally as a lamb, nor is there gonna be a big guy with feet of iron and clay. The Revelation of Jesus Christ is heavily symbolism. But if one makes oneself very familiar with the book, they will probably recognize in the real world the things happening in John's dream when they do come to pass.

My take on bible prophesy is that it is not there to predict the future for us, but so that when the future events do happen we will recognize them. A silly example. At one point it talks of a "smooth skinned" people. It could be a nation of fat people.

The Jews thought they knew who their Christ would be, but they were looking for a man to come in conquering like King David and refused to recognize him when he was right in front of them. I'm sure a lot of Christians will do the same thing regarding the prophesies in Matthew 24, revelation, Daniel, Ezekiel, etc. For me, interpreting this stuff is like being a shortstop. Work hard to prepare for the day you're on the field, then you'll know how to handle a line drive, grounder, popup, and which base to throw it to when you get it. i.e. be prepared. Make sure there is oil in your lamp.

 

[prodromos]

Long flight with no power. Fascinating flight.....

Needed power to get it in the air in the first place.

 

[prodromos]

So what? Doesn't matter.

I guess not, since your post had nothing to do with the topic anyway.

 

[Lost4words]

I'll accept that because I'm no expert on the full beliefs of Catholicism. But what puzzles me is that everyone that makes that claim also claims to be Catholic. At least that is my anecdotal experience.

Well, i been a Catholic for almost 60 years and i have never heard any true Catholic spout that stuff!

 

[BNR32FAN]

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How the New Jerusalem a 1500 mile square cube fits on a globe earth

The United States is over 2800 miles wide and it doesn’t seem to be an issue. This should just be common sense.

 

[returntosender]

I like the idea of it being flat.

 

[prodromos]

And we're still waiting for that flat earth map.

A comment I heard recently about the flat earth conventions. There is never any discussion about the advances of flat earth cartography or how to go about producing an accurate map of the earth. There are no collaborations to fund high altitude filming of the earth to prove once and for all that "there is no curve", or for an expedition to document the "ice wall of Antarctica". All they do is rehash their same old arguments and pat each other on the back for being the special 'enlightened' people.

 

[d taylor]

The United States is over 2800 miles wide and it doesn’t seem to be an issue. This should just be common sense.

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The united states is not a perfectly square cube 1500x1500x1500

 

[d taylor]

It won't be the old earth.

That should be obvious (new earth), but the way people alter The Bible information that is not a given belief

 

[NxNW]

The united states is not a perfectly square cube 1500x1500x1500​

Nobody is claiming otherwise.

 

[Bradskii]

I like the idea of it being flat.

My knees would appreciate it.

 

[Edwin Wright]

The frame of reference is not the issue here. Simply put, when the plane departs New York, it departs (i.e., detaches from the solid earth’s surface) with the (west → east) tangential velocity of the allegedly rotating earth at the latitude of New York. Unless the laws of physics have changed, that (west → east) tangential velocity is conserved as the plane flies south. When the plane reaches the latitude of Bogotá, the plane because its (conserved) tangential velocity has not increased with the increasing tangential velocity of the allegedly rotating earth in the direction of the equator, is now at a westerly longitude, its location estimated to be somewhere NNW of the Galápagos Islands. There is simply no atmospheric or aerodynamic process that compensates for that increase in tangential velocity. Publicly available flight records indicate the flight (New York and Bogotá being on similar meridians) is due south (i.e., not compensating for the allegedly increasing tangential component). But again, not to worry. No navigation issues here because the earth DOES NOT MOVE.

Yes, concerning the map, there is such a map but not in the public domain. But I am only aware of it anecdotally.

Your commentary footer includes a quote from Theodosius Dobzhansky. Accordingly, you may be interested in reviewing our article titled, Evolution Refuted by the Ribosme.

LA is south of NY, but to your point and for the sake of argument, we will consider the two cities to be at essentially the same latitude, the major component under consideration being their east–west distance. In your example, the tangential velocities are essentially equivalent so that whether the helicopter takes off from LA (flying east) or NY (flying west) it has the same tangential velocity as the (allegedly) rotating earth at that latitude and that tangential velocity is conserved. In other words, even though the helicopter (NY to LA) is flying west, it still has the eastward tangential velocity component of both NY and LA. Hence, the (allegedly) rotating earth would not turn beneath the helicopter. You are comparing apples to oranges in terms of the north–south argument. You really need to think about this. Are you not able to conceptualize the difference? As stated at the end of our article titled, Heliocentrism Refuted: Experimental Proof of a Stationary Earth,

“Reader, this is just basic dynamics. It is that simple. Obviously, our educational system (not to mention our popular culture) needs an existential review.”

So sorry, no map for you today, but concerning the map issue, you may want to review the following post: WORLD MAPS (PART I).

Concerning the article, Evolution Refuted by the Ribosme, I AM sticking to the topic. As stated on the home page of Plane Geodesy,

“PLANE GEODESY exists to provide critical-thinking readers with compelling and definitive, empirical evidence, together with conclusive, supporting analyses, confirming the large-scale structure of the earth’s surface to be planar rather than spheroidal, the singular, inescapable subsumption being the veracity of the traditional Christian doctrine of creation and concomitant vanquishment of the modernist sophistry of naturalism and its current, untenable, scientistic infrastructure as popularly manifested through the many banalities associated with the perditious and false doctrines of cosmological, geological, and biological evolutionism.”

 

[Reasonably Sane]

Well, i been a Catholic for almost 60 years and i have never heard any true Catholic spout that stuff!

My wife was Catholic until around age 28. Her whole family (four brothers and sisters) is still very devout. I've never discussed this with them. I'll ask next time I'm in Phoenix.

 

[Bradskii]

So sorry, no map for you today, but concerning the map issue, you may want to review the following post: WORLD MAPS (PART I).

Ah, bless you. You are asking for help in making one.

'Development of such a map will not be an easy task but will require many specialists, including, but certainly not limited to, cartographers, geographers, geodesists, astronomers, and earth scientists. Additionally, input from aviators, sailors, and RF operators at all levels is critical. Finally, information technology specialists with the skills to process and re-organize public or commercially available databases and real time data inputs, are indispensible.

Any readers with suggestions in this respect are encouraged to contact this website.'

You say the world is flat. You've been claiming this for years. But you have no idea what it looks like? All this convoluted maths. All these arguments. Claim after claim. Rejection of even the most basic of evidence. And you don't even have a simple map?

You want input from astronomers? And sailors? And aviators? And geographers? Oh, dear me...how are you not acutely embarressed.

 

[essentialsaltes]

I think the flat earth looks like this, but there are little transporters that beam you across the gaps.