FLAT or ROUND Earth?

[Akita Suggagaki]

Actually the further America has gotten away from God, the more it has declined as a world leader.

When was America close to God?

 

[ozso]

When was America close to God?

It used to be closer.

 

[ozso]

At least science can acknowledge mistakes and make corrections.

Whereas the word of God has remained consistent.

 

[AV1611VET]

Thankfully in my lifetime, no sensible person has needed to think either was the case.

No sensible person thought it was the case back then either.

 

[AV1611VET]

At least science can acknowledge mistakes and make corrections.

After the fact.

 

[JohnEmmett]

After the fact.

People change religions or philosophy

 

[AV1611VET]

When was America close to God?

11 November 1620

 

[AV1611VET]

People change religions or philosophy.

Yes.

We call that "church hopping."

 

[JohnEmmett]

Yes.

We call that…

It’s called seeking the truth

 

[AV1611VET]

It’s called seeking the truth

Let me clarify.

Church hopping is not the same as being born again and coming out of a cult or false religion.

Church hopping can be done by anyone.

Jerry Falwell, for example, went from Independent Baptist to Southern Baptist.

 

[JohnEmmett]

Let me clarify.

Church hopping can be done by anyone.

church is not necessary

 

[AV1611VET]

church is not necessary

 

[Akita Suggagaki]

11 November 1620

Interesting. But not yet a country.

The result was the Mayflower Compact, infused with a remarkable confluence of religious and political theory. The Pilgrims, like the Puritans who settled Massachusetts Bay in 1630, were dissenters from the Church of England. The former opted to separate themselves from what they perceived as the corruption of the Church of England, whereas the less radical nonconformists, the Puritans, sought to reform that church from within. Both groups, however, found the political and religious climate under the Stuart monarchs to be unfriendly to dissenters.

As common historical understanding has it, both groups sought to escape to the New World to practice their religion freely. However, that meant their religion. They set out to establish their vision of the City of God in an earthly commonwealth. As the Compact stated, their move was “undertaken for the Glory of God, and advancement of the christian faith.” Neither group set out to establish a classically liberal secular society tolerant of diverse faiths or even a commonwealth akin to the Dutch Republic, with an established church, yet accepting of religious dissent. The corrosive effect of such dissent would have been particularly dangerous to the survival of the small Pilgrim community clinging precariously to their isolated new home in Plymouth. Indeed, once the colony became established and became focused on commerce and trade, more devout members disturbed by this turn to the material left to form new communities of believers. The religious orientation of the Mayflower Compact grew out of the Pilgrims’ Calvinist faith.

Signing of the Mayflower Compact on November 11, 1620 – Constituting America

constitutingamerica.org

 

[AV1611VET]

Interesting. But not yet a country.

The result was the Mayflower Compact, infused with a remarkable confluence ...

I stopped right here.

Anything else you want to know?

 

[JohnEmmett]

youtube

that does not speak to me

 

[Akita Suggagaki]

Whereas the word of God has remained consistent.

Sure, but there are so many approaches and interpretations, one person's fact is another parsons fantasy.

 

[AV1611VET]

that does not speak to me

Nor does "church is not necessary" speak to me.

What do you want me to do? tithe by mail? take the Lord's Table via web conferencing?

 

[JohnEmmett]

Nor does "church is not necessary" speak to me.

I suppose it’s necessary for you

 

[AV1611VET]

I suppose it’s necessary for you

It recharges the old batteries!

 

[ozso]

church is not necessary

Then why are there so many Buddhist temples?