Flat Earth

[Qyöt27]

There is something in Flat Earth Mythology that tides are caused by the waters in the oceans sloshing back and forth because of something tilting the flat earth back and forth and up down from side to side....Or something like that ?

Because the world isn't perfectly balanced on the backs of all those turtles?

 

[JNB2]

Because the world isn't perfectly balanced on the backs of all those turtles?

Maybe it's the elephants ? Elephants are supposed to have good memories ? They would know when to do the tilting to cause the sloshing to cause the tides on a regular timed basis ?

Oh....BTW & FWIW....I would like to see some of those pictures showing the New Moon/or/Dark Of The Moon transparent enough to show the stars shining through the Moon. I am sort of an amateur photographer. I have never tried to take a picture of a New Moon. Most of my pictures were taken of a Full Moon when the Moon was fully illuminated by all those Moon Shrimp (?).......or is it Moon Shramp (?)......

 

[JackRT]

Because the world isn't perfectly balanced on the backs of all those turtles?

An obvious design flaw.

 

[Dave-W]

Because the world isn't perfectly balanced on the backs of all those turtles?

Maybe it's the elephants ?

The mice were furious!

 

[MayMcFlurry]

my mum does

 

[JNB2]

As is the usual case, these flat earth discussions often degenerate into complete nonsense. And I confess I am as guilty as anyone with the comments on elephants and moonshrimp.

But the original intent was just to see if there really were any real people who really believed the earth was flat. Apparently there are some. Then so be it.

Mission accomplished.

One more thing before trying to bow out of this thread (which I probably won't....LOL)

On a clear, calm, sunny day , with no unusual atmospheric (or atmoplanic if the earth was flat) conditions, I would like to see some person - "flattie" or "roundie"- go out to sea or down to the shore and take a picture looking out to sea.

If the picture shows just an indistinct blur that fades away at some indefinite distance,
that prove there is no curvature to the earth.....and that should prove the earth is flat........as the flat earth says.

If the picture shows a distinct line where the sea and sky appear to meet and you can estimate how far it is to that line according how high above sea level you are (about 2 or 3 miles distant if you are about 5 or 6 feet tall and standing on the beach with the water tickling your toes)...that should prove the curvature of the earth .......and that should prove the earth is a globe...as the globe earth says.

 

[JNB2]

As is the usual case, these flat earth discussions often degenerate into complete nonsense. And I confess I am as guilty as anyone with the comments on elephants and moonshrimp.

But the original intent was just to see if there really were any real people who really believed the earth was flat. Apparently there are some. Then so be it.

Mission accomplished.

One more thing before trying to bow out of this thread (which I probably won't....LOL)

On a clear, calm, sunny day , with no unusual atmospheric (or atmoplanic if the earth was flat) conditions, I would like to see some person - "flattie" or "roundie"- go out to sea or down to the shore and take a picture looking out to sea.

If the picture shows just an indistinct blur that fades away at some indefinite distance, that should prove the earth is flat , as the flat earth says.

If the picture shows a distinct line where the sea and sky appear to meet and you can estimate how far it is to that line according how high above sea level you are (about 2 or 3 miles if you are about 5 or 6 feet tall and standing on the beach with the water tickling your toes)...that should prove the curvature of the earth and the earth is a globe...as the globe earth says.

No takers ?

 

[circuitrider]

JNB2, this just has nothing to do with Wesleyan/Methodist Christianity, the topic of this group. So that may be why no one wants to continue to talk about the fantasy of a flat earth.

 

[JNB2]

Let's close this thread. Indeed ! After a bit thought you are right ! However.....Not being familiar with this website, but being a Methodist, I thought this was a logical place for this. But I realize now it was not and have moved this subject to the "Science Fiction And Fantasy" Section. I hope this is the right place and meets with your approval.

The intent was to just see if there was anyone in this group who professed a belief that the earth was flat. I have been a Methodist since my teen age years but had never even heard that anyone believed that the earth was flat until I chanced-quite by accident-I can't recall just why or how-on The Flat Earth Society websites-which I strongly advise anyone to avoid- and found there were some persons who actually professed that belief.

Our church has an average weekly attendance of close to 5,000 in the Worship Services and about 3,000 in Christian Education ("Sunday School" classes.)
I asked one of the co-pastors and he said he had never met a flat earther in the congregation or on the staff (15 Ministers).

I'm a very strong "round earther" myself ,. having had the advantage of being in the navy and having worked in fields such as radar, communications and other electronic equipment in which the curvature of the earth must be considered.

I consider flat earth as a bit of foolishness and a bit of mis-interpretation by some who say Quote - "You can't be a Christian if you don't believe the earth is flat and even worse if you believe the earth is a globe. NASA and all the scientists in the world are all liars and satan worshippers.....As well as anyone who is not a true flat earth believer. The King James Bible is the only Authorized Version of the Bible and it says the earth is flat."
- Unquote

So please accept my apologies if you have been offended, and I will just drop out from this website thread and you can lock this thread.

I believe this subject should have been placed in the "Science Fiction And Fantasy" Section and I am going to give that a try. Once again : My sincere apologies to any and all who might have found this thread in this section to be offensive.

 

[Joshua_5]

Well, that was an interesting read. Sure glad I studies how to interpret the Bible when I was in Bible College so I would know how to read ancient documents.
Then I'm glad I took Calculus. Makes thinking about so many of these issues easier than if I just had grade school math.

So if there is no gravity, I guess God just tells every single object where it is going to fall to or not fall. Like if we throw a ball he always tells it to fall exactly the same so we can plan and catch them. But if we shot a satellite into space, then God tells the object to not fall. That is rather amazing!

Don't mistake the observation of objects falling (a fact) for Newton's Universal Theory of Gravitation (a theory pupporting to explain almost everything, from the tides to the motions of the heavenly bodies). One is a descriptor for the behavior we see, the other a falsified scientific theory (unless you keep allowing new theories to keep propping it back up, in which case its not a theory, but more a religion).

 

[Joshua_5]

There is something in Flat Earth Mythology that tides are caused by the waters in the oceans sloshing back and forth because of something tilting the flat earth back and forth and up down from side to side....Or something like that ? Flat Earthers, could you please post a better explanation ....If there is one, that is ?

Of the two theories I have read, one explains it as the moon's cold light affecting the density of the oceans. I disregard this, as it doesn't explain why inland waters such as lakes do not have tides.

The other theory (legend?) is that 4 intersecting rivers change course multiple times per day. Hard to believe there is no evidence of this if true.

 

[Joshua_5]

They have sent probes to the moon and mars. They have built and sent up about half of the International Space Station. They have innumerable spy satellites in orbit. (almost equal to the Russian and US numbers)

Doing so, and claiming to have done so, are not the same thing.

 

[Joshua_5]

Before leaving completely as I have attempted to do so but as yet have had no luck. LOL
One question.
Where did you get this idea about the moon being transarent ?
Do you mean that stars show through the moon when it is in the "New Moon" or "Dark Of The Moon" Phase ?

Why can you usually see the sky or stars through the moon? If it was simply "dark" as in unlit, you could not. The moon must be transparent.

 

[Joshua_5]

As is the usual case, these flat earth discussions often degenerate into complete nonsense. And I confess I am as guilty as anyone with the comments on elephants and moonshrimp.

But the original intent was just to see if there really were any real people who really believed the earth was flat. Apparently there are some. Then so be it.

Mission accomplished.

One more thing before trying to bow out of this thread (which I probably won't....LOL)

On a clear, calm, sunny day , with no unusual atmospheric (or atmoplanic if the earth was flat) conditions, I would like to see some person - "flattie" or "roundie"- go out to sea or down to the shore and take a picture looking out to sea.

If the picture shows just an indistinct blur that fades away at some indefinite distance,
that prove there is no curvature to the earth.....and that should prove the earth is flat........as the flat earth says.

If the picture shows a distinct line where the sea and sky appear to meet and you can estimate how far it is to that line according how high above sea level you are (about 2 or 3 miles distant if you are about 5 or 6 feet tall and standing on the beach with the water tickling your toes)...that should prove the curvature of the earth .......and that should prove the earth is a globe...as the globe earth says.

You mis-state the flat Earth position. Those who believe Earth is flat do not (usually) believe the atmosphere is completely transparent. That is why you can only see so far (but further on a clear day).

How about, if you put to sea, and are at a distance at which trigonometric calculation shows a lighthouse would be hidden by the Earth's curvature, but you can still see the lighthouse light, this disproves the Earth is a ball. This is a much fairer experiment than yours, as ball-Earth predicts the light-house would be hidden by the theorised curvature of the sea at a set distance. Flat-Earth does not predict infinite visibility through the atmosphere.

 

[JackRT]

a falsified scientific theory

Newton's Law of Gravity together with his Laws of Motion are now regarded as a special case of Einstein's Theories of Relativity. They are still valid as long as the velocities involved do not exceed about 10% of the speed of light. These laws have taken us into obit and back, to the moon and back and to send probes to every planet in our solar system. They are not falsified theories.

 

[JackRT]

it doesn't explain why inland waters such as lakes do not have tides.

This is untrue. They do have tides that are measurable but so small that they are easily obscured by wind and wave action.

 

[JNB2]

This thread was removed to Controversial Christian Theology and has been closed and locked.

 

[circuitrider]

Odd that I can still post in it......

 

[JNB2]

Odd that I can still post in it......

That is odd . I had requested that the moderator close and lock all the topics on this subject on several forums on this website. After giving it further thought, this is not a proper subject for a forum on this website, which is of such a more serious nature as this website.So I apologized for having posted it in the first place and had requested that all of them be closed.

The subject was trivial. The earth is a globe. Nothing controversional about that.
If there is any one way to prove it, it is from experience in the navy for just one.
If there is any one subject that is easy to debunk flat earth , it is "The Horizon" for just one.
Just look up flat earth and round earth descriptions and compare with the actual.

 

[JNB2]

The Flat Earth Society websites are the places for this subject.