Flat Earth

[Joshua_5]

Any theory that makes any sort of pretense to be scientific must also make predictions that if shown to be false would invalidate the theory. For example when we in northern countries observe the night sky we see the stars moving in a circle around the pole star (aka Polaris or the North Star). For us this rotation is clockwise. However people in southern countries cannot even see the pole star but they do observe a counterclockwise rotation. If our world is flat then the stars will revolve around it all in the same direction at every point on the surface because wherever you are on the surface you are always looking at the same stars. Australians observe the stars rotating in an opposite direction to Canadians, hence the flat earth theory is invalidated.

Again with the Heavenly bodies.

Ball-Earth theory predicts the Earth's curvature will hide certain objects beyond a certain distance, based on the height of the object above sea level, and the Earth's curvature. Some objects, such as lighthouses, can be seen beyond where this curvature would allow. Hence, the ball-Earth theory is also invalidated.

So what shape can the Earth be, if its not a sphere and its not flat? The most directly applicable evidence suggests Earth to be flat. The behaviour of the Heavenly bodies is likely related, but more understanding of the behaviour of these may be required to explain them in terms of what we know of the Earth.

 

[JackRT]

1. tidal effects on earth- not due to gravity - why does the water remain on Earth if the moon attracts it by gravity? Why are lakes and inland water bodies miraculous unaffected by tides, if these are due to gravity.

Actually there are tidal effects but very small and easily obscured by winds.

2. moon's near side “locked' to earth - the moon is the light God created to govern the night. Heliocentricity relies on a lot of coincidences to explain why its far side never faces Earth. Why are parts of it transparent when its not full (you can see the sky and stars through it), and why don't NASA's photos correspond with this?

Gravity is easily detectable and can be measured with great accuracy, I've done myself. Transparancy? You must be on some good stuff.

 

[JackRT]

I was about to spend a great deal more time on my last post but it came to me that it would be a great waste of time and effort. There are none so blind as those that refuse to see.

 

[JNB2]

I was about to spend a great deal more time on my last post but it came to me that it would be a great waste of time and effort. There are none so blind as those that refuse to see.

I have found that to be quite true, but it's hard to break the habit.
I think it's really a game in which a lot of people pretend to be flat earth believers and just deny any facts or evidence that you mght post.

 

[JNB2]

All of these flat earth websites seem to be the same. So it's really a waste of time.
Word of warning to flat earthers. Don't go outside. There are nothing but us evil people out there.
But we're a tolerant bunch and are merciful even if it is useless to tell you that the earth is really a globe. However, never,never, go to sea and never, never, tell some one in the U.S. Navy that the earth is flat. They know it's a globe. I can't promise what kind of response you would get from a Ship's Captain ! LOL

 

[JNB2]

Before leaving completely as I have attempted to do so but as yet have had no luck. LOL
One question.
Where did you get this idea about the moon being transarent ?
Do you mean that stars show through the moon when it is in the "New Moon" or "Dark Of The Moon" Phase ? Do you have any photographic evidence showing this ?........Oh ! Wait a minute ! Flat earthers don't believe in photographic evidence, don't they ?

 

[Dave-W]

1. tidal effects on earth- not due to gravity - why does the water remain on Earth if the moon attracts it by gravity? Why are lakes and inland water bodies miraculous unaffected by tides, if these are due to gravity.

I work at NOAA Marine Chart Division. There is a very small but measurable effect of tidal forces on the Great Lakes.

 

[Dave-W]

I'm not sure about the European Space agency. Have they claimed to have done anything of note, like go to the Moon, or Mars or something?

They have sent probes to the moon and mars. They have built and sent up about half of the International Space Station. They have innumerable spy satellites in orbit. (almost equal to the Russian and US numbers)

 

[Dave-W]

The purpose of heliocentricity is and always has been to rebel against the true God.

Your proof?

 

[hedrick]

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[JNB2]

Again with the Heavenly bodies.

Ball-Earth theory predicts the Earth's curvature will hide certain objects beyond a certain distance, based on the height of the object above sea level, and the Earth's curvature. Some objects, such as lighthouses, can be seen beyond where this curvature would allow. Hence, the ball-Earth theory is also invalidated.

So what shape can the Earth be, if its not a sphere and its not flat? The most directly applicable evidence suggests Earth to be flat. The behaviour of the Heavenly bodies is likely related, but more understanding of the behaviour of these may be required to explain them in terms of what we know of the Earth.

I think if these so-called "flat earther believers" would just do a bit of study and research they would learn that the true shape of the earth is a sphere and not a flat disc. There is no proof of a flat earth.

I would mention that just one of the greatest flat earth fallacirs is the flat earth definition of the horizon. If they can post that definition I would be happy to post the true facts.

Also their self-righteous comments about believing that the earth is flat is insulting and offensive to most sane and reasoning persons. Their comments on NASA amount to lies, libel and slander.It's a disgrace !

 

[dayhiker]

Well, that was an interesting read. Sure glad I studies how to interpret the Bible when I was in Bible College so I would know how to read ancient documents.
Then I'm glad I took Calculus. Makes thinking about so many of these issues easier than if I just had grade school math.

So if there is no gravity, I guess God just tells every single object where it is going to fall to or not fall. Like if we throw a ball he always tells it to fall exactly the same so we can plan and catch them. But if we shot a satellite into space, then God tells the object to not fall. That is rather amazing!

 

[JackRT]

Well, that was an interesting read. Sure glad I studies how to interpret the Bible when I was in Bible College so I would know how to read ancient documents.
Then I'm glad I took Calculus. Makes thinking about so many of these issues easier than if I just had grade school math.

So if there is no gravity, I guess God just tells every single object where it is going to fall to or not fall. Like if we throw a ball he always tells it to fall exactly the same so we can plan and catch them. But if we shot a satellite into space, then God tells the object to not fall. That is rather amazing!

So you have just reduced Newton's laws of motion and gravity to "God tells"?

 

[JNB2]

I work at NOAA Marine Chart Division. There is a very small but measurable effect of tidal forces on the Great Lakes.

I would think the volume of "inland lakes and waterways" is so small in comparison with that of the oceans that the effect of tidal forces would be very small.

 

[JNB2]

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[JNB2]

I'm not sure if Joshua_5 is not sure about anything ?
I'm not sure if he isn't just a troll ?

 

[dayhiker]

So you have just reduced Newton's laws of motion and gravity to "God tells"?

I was speculating as to what their alternative might be. If its not God telling ever object what to do all the time, then with not gravity what else would it be?

 

[Dave-W]

I would think the volume of "inland lakes and waterways" is so small in comparison with that of the oceans that the effect of tidal forces would be very small.

Correct. Even in the Great Lakes it only produces a "sloshing" effect from side to side or end to end. (depending on orientation)

 

[JNB2]

There is something in Flat Earth Mythology that tides are caused by the waters in the oceans sloshing back and forth because of something tilting the flat earth back and forth and up down from side to side....Or something like that ? Flat Earthers, could you please post a better explanation ....If there is one, that is ?

 

[Dave-W]

There is something in Flat Earth Mythology that tides are caused by the waters in the oceans sloshing back and forth because of something tilting the flat earth back and forth and up down from side to side....Or something like that ? Flat Earthers, could you please post a better explanation ....If there is one, that is ?

Indeed. And include why the period is roughly 24 hours, regardless of the size of the sea, bay, inlet or whatever.