Flat Earth Theory.

[Apple Sky]

No one reads without interpreting.

Like I said in my above post, find me a part in the video where Dean has lied.

 

[prodromos]

Like I said in my above post, find me a part in the video where Dean has lied.

I never said he is lying, I said he doesn't have a clue what he is talking about and I gave examples. Do you have a response to the examples I gave, or are you just going to deflect?

 

[Michael Snow]

Such as ?

Exhibit D. Demonic Delusions.

 

[Apple Sky]

I never said he is lying, I said he doesn't have a clue what he is talking about and I gave examples. Do you have a response to the examples I gave, or are you just going to deflect?

What were your examples again ?

 

[prodromos]

What were your examples again ?

One was his use of the footage of one of the astronauts jumping up and down on the moon as 'proof' that the moon doesn't rotate. Anyone can debunk that by jumping up and down on a fast moving train and seeing whether their position in the carriage changes or not.

The other is his explanation why the moon is rotated 180° when viewed in the Southern-hemisphere compared to the Northern-hemisphere, which simply does not fly. It's from 1:14:00 in the first of his videos you posted, and the bit he is focussed on is described at 1:17:5, which is "Faraday rotation". Note carefully that Faraday rotation is the twisting of the angle of polarised light in a strong magnetic field. It does not change the direction the light is travelling. So if you were to project an image with polarised light and viewed that image through a polarising filter that was aligned in the same direction as the image polarisation, applying a strong magnetic field would cause the image to go black because the polarising filter will no longer align with the light coming from the projection. The image itself will not change one bit, and if the polarising filter is removed, the image will look exactly the same with or without the magnetic field.
Even if it did 'magically' cause the image to rotate, the lines of magnetic force are all in the same direction from the North Pole to the South regardless of whether you are in the Northern or Southern Hemisphere, so that too would fail to explain the 180° rotation of the moon.

So again I ask, if this guy is so inept at explaining the physical world, why would anyone trust him as any kind of teacher, especially with regards the salvation of our souls? This guy has no credibility at all, yet you present him as a reliable source of teaching.
You also didn't answer why you posted the video from the new age pagan earlier. Why would Christians trust anything from such a source (yet you seem to).

 

[Apple Sky]

So again I ask, if this guy is so inept at explaining the physical world, why would anyone trust him as any kind of teacher, especially with regards the salvation of our souls? This guy has no credibility at all, yet you present him as a reliable source of teaching.
You also didn't answer why you posted the video from the new age pagan earlier. Why would Christians trust anything from such a source (yet you seem to).

You should watch some of his others video's before you condemn the guy, he is far from being pagan.

 

[prodromos]

You should watch some of his others video's before you condemn the guy, he is far from being pagan.

Perhaps but he is also far from being correct. If you want to pick a couple of his points, I can take a stab at explaining why he is wrong, but I don't have the time to go through every claim he makes in the video.

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I had a look at some of the articles on his website. There is plenty of paganism buried in his articles
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[Apple Sky]

Perhaps but he is also far from being correct. If you want to pick a couple of his points, I can take a stab at explaining why he is wrong, but I don't have the time to go through every claim he makes in the video.

Fair enough, but Dean is very good pastor, and swears by every word of the Holy Bible especially Jesus.

 

[prodromos]

Fair enough, but Dean is very good pastor, and swears by every word of the Holy Bible especially Jesus.

I'm sure he is very sincere, but when he makes claims like the examples I gave, he loses all credibility. Especially when he claims that God revealed them to him.

 

[Apple Sky]

I'm sure he is very sincere, but when he makes claims like the examples I gave, he loses all credibility. Especially when he claims that God revealed them to him.

He never claimed that God revealed them to him, well, not to my knowledge & what if God did as God has revealed lots of stuff to me in one way or the other.
God works in mysterious ways.

 

[Strong in Him]

He never claimed that God revealed them to him, well, not to my knowledge & what if God did as God has revealed lots of stuff to me in one way or the other.

But God is Truth and would not reveal an untruth to one of his children.

I suspect if I said that God had told me the moon is made of blue cheese there would be many to tell me that it wasn't God who said that.

 

[prodromos]

He never claimed that God revealed them to him

He did, in that bit about Faraday rotation.

well, not to my knowledge & what if God did as God has revealed lots of stuff to me in one way or the other.
God works in mysterious ways.

God does not teach falsehood

 

[d taylor]

So prove it to us then.
Fly out to the moon - it's clearly so close you could be there and back by tea time. Record the distance and post it here, on Christian forums.

Can't do that? Maybe you need to listen to those who actually have been there, then. As well as people who haven't but who have reliable and accurate measuring tools and who trust in more than just "it doesn't look that far".

The Bible proves it, as it is plainly stated the moon has been place in the raqia above the earth. God call the raqia heaven which is translated to the word sky among other names (dome, firmament, expanse). But never translated to outer space.

 

[Apple Sky]

The Bible proves it, as it is plainly stated the moon has been place in the raqia above the earth. God call the raqia heaven which is translated to the word sky among other names (dome, firmament, expanse). But never translated to outer space.

Hi d taylor, your absolutely right, nothing can get through the solid firmament/dome, as we live in a enclosure. The firmament is where God placed the sun, moon & the stars, one only has to read the bible to know all this, it's not exactly rocket science (excuse the pun).

 

[Apple Sky]

He did, in that bit about Faraday rotation.

Can't say I noticed, but like I said, I've had many a revelation from God, that you wouldn't believe, haven't you ?

I know that God does not teach falsehoods that why I know that he certainly does not teach that that we live on a spinning ball hurling through space at ridiculous speeds. Earth is still.

 

[Lost4words]

The Bible proves it, as it is plainly stated the moon has been place in the raqia above the earth. God call the raqia heaven which is translated to the word sky among other names (dome, firmament, expanse). But never translated to outer space.

Pure personal interpretation of what God's word means.

God is truth. He wouldnt say the earth is flat when it is indeed a sphere. The same goes for YOUR interpretation about the moon etc.

 

[Strong in Him]

The Bible proves it, as it is plainly stated the moon has been place in the raqia above the earth. God call the raqia heaven which is translated to the word sky among other names (dome, firmament, expanse). But never translated to outer space.

Sorry but it doesn't prove it at all.
Firstly, the Bible is not a science textbook. The purpose of the Bible is not to measure how far the moon/sun is away from earth, what shape the earth is etc etc. So the authors of the Bible didn't use scientific terms, the latest research findings etc. The purpose of God's word is to teach about God, and Genesis does that: God created. Who is God? Creator of the world.
Secondly, "heaven" and "sky" are not at all the same thing. Heaven is where God is. We can have heaven on earth. The Kingdom of God, or heaven, is where God's children acknowledge that God is king, uphold his values, have faith in him and share, and show, his love to all who are outside, or don't know, God's rule.
Thirdly, the words "darkened outer space" were yours, not mine. I was challenging your post which was mocking those who believe that the moon is 200,000 miles away. Prior to that you said that it didn't look 200,000 miles away. I said that if it is so close that you can see it, fly there and let us know the distance.
So if the word is never translated as "outer space", tell yourself that; you were the one who used it.

 

[Strong in Him]

I know that God does not teach falsehoods that why I know that he certainly does not teach that that we live on a spinning ball hurling through space at ridiculous speeds.

No, he doesn't. He doesn't teach us scientific facts; it's not his purpose.
He gave human beings - who are made in his image - the ability to question, discover, create and so on. He has allowed people to discover HOW he made his universe. I've heard scientists saying that their appreciation of God's creation has grown enormously, and they've become believers, after studying astronomy/geology/zoology etc.
There are scientists who are Christians.

 

[Apple Sky]

He gave human beings - who are made in his image - the ability to question, discover, create and so on.

He also said, to prove all things.

King James Bible
Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. 1 thess 5:21

 

[Strong in Him]

He also said, to prove all things.

King James Bible
Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. 1 thess 5:21

That means doctrine - clearly, no one could prove what wasn't then known/hadn't been discovered.
When I was a child, no-one (or very few) could have proved that heart transplants were safe and possible. No-one could prove that the internet was safe - it hadn't been thought of. No-one today can prove that human beings are able to fly without aeroplanes, or grow another arm just by thinking about it. In years to come, if we live that long, both might be possible.

And it's not the role of the Bible to teach what scientists may/may not discover in the future.
The purpose of the word of God is to teach about God, full stop.