Fellowship with Non-Adventists

[SassySDA]

uhm... never my friends outside adventists aint christians. I have been to girls bragade (man that was lame.. the "christian" stuff they added to it ) it was methodist I believe and... er... about a year ago. But I think she's quit now anyway.

Outside of other denominations, I invited some people to my baptisim, about 3... maybe 2? And my friend Ben to a lame as adventist youth thing that embarrased me horrifically (all of this emotional music... kids didn't even know what they were talking about... they said Einstein was a christian and the twin towers collapsed in 2002, but they did make an effort I suppose ) but they all refuse to come to church elsewise. I do however have religious discussions with them at school and outside of school though

That's excellent, Windmill. I have given more thought to the OP on this topic, and I came to realize that I will not return to a Sunday Keeping church, for any reason. I understand that I broke the 4th commandment for around 40 years, I don't intend to break it again.

I do my best witnessing in small circles outside of a church building (even my own) anyway.

Even if I go with a friend on Sunday, AFTER having "kept Sabbath", what I could be doing is giving credence to their worshipping on the wrong day, and not keeping God's Sabbath, breaking the 4th commandment. I decided I won't do that.

I completely agree that we should witness, discuss, and even learn about each other, but we can do that without giving credence to the breaking of one of God's commandments. I want nothing I do, even unconsciously, to support error.

God bless

 

[Seraph1m]

uhm... never my friends outside adventists aint christians. I have been to girls bragade (man that was lame.. the "christian" stuff they added to it ) it was methodist I believe and... er... about a year ago. But I think she's quit now anyway.

Outside of other denominations, I invited some people to my baptisim, about 3... maybe 2? And my friend Ben to a lame as adventist youth thing that embarrased me horrifically (all of this emotional music... kids didn't even know what they were talking about... they said Einstein was a christian and the twin towers collapsed in 2002, but they did make an effort I suppose ) but they all refuse to come to church elsewise. I do however have religious discussions with them at school and outside of school though

Um ok... well share wher you can

 

[Seraph1m]

That's excellent, Windmill. I have given more thought to the OP on this topic, and I came to realize that I will not return to a Sunday Keeping church, for any reason. I understand that I broke the 4th commandment for around 40 years, I don't intend to break it again.

I do my best witnessing in small circles outside of a church building (even my own) anyway.

Even if I go with a friend on Sunday, AFTER having "kept Sabbath", what I could be doing is giving credence to their worshipping on the wrong day, and not keeping God's Sabbath, breaking the 4th commandment. I decided I won't do that.

I completely agree that we should witness, discuss, and even learn about each other, but we can do that without giving credence to the breaking of one of God's commandments. I want nothing I do, even unconsciously, to support error.

God bless

Hehehe, well, that is your prerogative not to fellowship with others at their church. However, there is NOTHING in scripture that validates the perception that one is breaking the 4th commandment when fellowshiping with other believers on a day other than Sabbath. I agree you are entitled to your interpretation of the 4th commandment, said interpretation is not biblically sound however. Continue to study on the matter and be blessed.

Peace

 

[2tim]

I hope this doesn't sound flip. I don't mean it to. But I do what the Bible says to do on Sunday. I work.

That said, I've been to other churches for various reasons since becoming an Adventist. I found the services interesting, but I caught myself (and my wife) comenting on things we thought were strange or erroneous rather than partaking in the service.

In discussing the Sunday Law and whatnot, Mrs. White encouraged us to hold meetings on Sunday to bring people to the truth but of course that is vastly different than worship.

2Tim

 

[Windmill]

That's excellent, Windmill. I have given more thought to the OP on this topic, and I came to realize that I will not return to a Sunday Keeping church, for any reason. I understand that I broke the 4th commandment for around 40 years, I don't intend to break it again.

I do my best witnessing in small circles outside of a church building (even my own) anyway.

Even if I go with a friend on Sunday, AFTER having "kept Sabbath", what I could be doing is giving credence to their worshipping on the wrong day, and not keeping God's Sabbath, breaking the 4th commandment. I decided I won't do that.

I completely agree that we should witness, discuss, and even learn about each other, but we can do that without giving credence to the breaking of one of God's commandments. I want nothing I do, even unconsciously, to support error.

God bless

Thanks Sassy

Though I don't know the scriptual evidence to suggest that worshiping God on Sunday is breaking the 4th commandment, that doesn't matter. What is wrong to one person may not actually be wrong for another, I think, but as long as the person views it as wrong, then it is... because of the way I see it. At least, thats what I've heard anyone feel free to correct me if thats wrong.

 

[awesumtenor]

That's excellent, Windmill. I have given more thought to the OP on this topic, and I came to realize that I will not return to a Sunday Keeping church, for any reason. I understand that I broke the 4th commandment for around 40 years, I don't intend to break it again.

I do my best witnessing in small circles outside of a church building (even my own) anyway.

Even if I go with a friend on Sunday, AFTER having "kept Sabbath", what I could be doing is giving credence to their worshipping on the wrong day, and not keeping God's Sabbath, breaking the 4th commandment. I decided I won't do that.

I completely agree that we should witness, discuss, and even learn about each other, but we can do that without giving credence to the breaking of one of God's commandments. I want nothing I do, even unconsciously, to support error.

God bless

Ooooook...

In His service,
Mr. J

 

[2tim]

Ooooook...

In His service,
Mr. J

Welllllll, I see what she's getting at, appearance of evil, eating meat dedicated to idols and all of that. Yeah?

2T

 

[awesumtenor]

Welllllll, I see what she's getting at, appearance of evil, eating meat dedicated to idols and all of that. Yeah?

2T

No.

In His service,
Mr. J

 

[2tim]

No.

In His service,
Mr. J

Ok. I'm willing to be convinced. Why not?
2Tim

 

[Seraph1m]

It occurs to me all here are not tilting at windmills.

 

[SassySDA]

Ok. I'm willing to be convinced. Why not?
2Tim

Tim, how can I even pretend to teach that God's day is the 7th one, that he set that day aside, and sanctified it, that it is VERY important to Him that we keep it, if I go to a Sunday keeping church and act like it's perfectly ok to do that.

I DON'T believe it's perfectly ok to go to church on the 1st day, or I wouldn't have left all that I was familiar and comfortable with, I wouldn't have ired family and friends a like...I would have just stayed with the status quo.

A friend of mine, pm'd me recently, in regards to the way I felt about not going back to a Sunday keeping church, and it wasn't because he disagreed with me. He did. He took it just a little further and gave me pause to think even more...

I have heard others say that they had visited this church or that church, and they found very little difference in their services. I had forgotten this until my friend brought it up. There SHOULD be differences in our worship services...our message is different.

I'm curious to know what everyone else thinks about this.

There is nothing confusing, about what I have posted here. Why anyone would have to scratch their head over it is beyond me. If I found NOTHING wrong with Sunday keeping..I'd still be doing it.

 

[StormyOne]

Sassy the command to remember the sabbath... 6 days.... etc... was implemented for REST..... The commandment does NOT say, "Remember the sabbath to go to church."

Let's be clear, we attend church on sabbath because eventually it became a part of our tradition in terms of observing sabbath. But the command was given to man so that man would rest....

We have clouded the issue by suggesting that it will be a defining mark... the defining mark will not be what day you observe, but whose character you have....

Look at it from this standpoint... Did Jesus save or did sabbath observance save?

 

[2tim]

It occurs to me all here are not tilting at windmills.

I tried to figure this out and all I came up with is Don Quixote. What does this mean? I wish I could tell you I got it but I didn't.

Help.

2Tim

 

[2tim]

Tim, how can I even pretend to teach that God's day is the 7th one, that he set that day aside, and sanctified it, that it is VERY important to Him that we keep it, if I go to a Sunday keeping church and act like it's perfectly ok to do that.

I was agreeing with you....

2Tim

 

[Seraph1m]

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I DON'T believe it's perfectly ok to go to church on the 1st day, or I wouldn't have left all that I was familiar and comfortable with, I wouldn't have ired family and friends a like...I would have just stayed with the status quo.

...There SHOULD be differences in our worship services...our message is different.

I'm curious to know what everyone else thinks about this.

There is nothing confusing, about what I have posted here. Why anyone would have to scratch their head over it is beyond me. If I found NOTHING wrong with Sunday keeping..I'd still be doing it.

If we can learn to stick to what Gods word says rather than taking everything as a personal attack on how we view things we might gain a bit more perspective on the issues we discuss. It's just a thought.

Sassy please share with us where the word of God says that fellowshiping with others is a sin?

Please realize we can appreciate where you are coming from seeing that you feel more comfortable not attending church with others. However, we should all be very concerned when anyone starts adding their personal preferences to Gods commandments. By doing that we do ourselves and others a grave disservice.

As stated, previously nothing in Gods word says thou shalt not attend church with other believers on any other days. I hope we all come to realize that our personal preferences will not change that fact, and that noone is breaking the 4th commandment or sinning against God when they fellowship with other believers.

 

[Cliff2]

If we can learn to stick to what Gods word says rather than taking everything as a personal attack on how we view things we might gain a bit more perspective on the issues we discuss. It's just a thought.

Sassy please share with us where the word of God says that fellowshiping with others is a sin?

Please realize we can appreciate where you are coming from seeing that you feel more comfortable not attending church with others. However, we should all be very concerned when anyone starts adding their personal preferences to Gods commandments. By doing that we do ourselves and others a grave disservice.

As stated, previously nothing in Gods word says thou shalt not attend church with other believers on any other days. I hope we all come to realize that our personal preferences will not change that fact, and that noone is breaking the 4th commandment or sinning against God when they fellowship with other believers. (Seraph1m)

Sassy the command to remember the sabbath... 6 days.... etc... was implemented for REST..... The commandment does NOT say, "Remember the sabbath to go to church."

Let's be clear, we attend church on sabbath because eventually it became a part of our tradition in terms of observing sabbath. But the command was given to man so that man would rest....

We have clouded the issue by suggesting that it will be a defining mark... the defining mark will not be what day you observe, but whose character you have....

Look at it from this standpoint... Did Jesus save or did sabbath observance save? (StormyOne)

I wonder what your take is on Revelation 18:4 would be

"Come out of her my people...."

God has His people in all churches but is calling them out.

Is God going to call them out and have them no where to go?

I doubt it.

Is God going to call them out and then suggest that it is OK to go and look at what they left behind and see what it was they left?

Again I doubt it.

God wants His people to be separate from what they have left behind.

I agree that Sabbath observance does not and has never been the act that saved anyone.

No one is even suggesting such a thing.

No one is even saying that by having a meeting to praise God on the first day of the week that the person will be lost.

We have mid-week prayer meetings, nothing wrong with them.

We have evangelistic meetings on Sunday, nothing wrong with that.

But we need to to be careful about going to Church on Sundays just for the sake of worshiping God.

Why not choose the day that Jesus went to worship on?

 

[Seraph1m]

I agree that Sabbath observance does not and has never been the act that saved anyone.
...

No one is even suggesting such a thing.

...
No one is even saying that by having a meeting to praise God on the first day of the week that the person will be lost.

Actually that is just what she is suggesting below:

That's excellent, Windmill. I have given more thought to the OP on this topic, and I came to realize that I will not return to a Sunday Keeping church, for any reason. I understand that I broke the 4th commandment for around 40 years, I don't intend to break it again.

I do my best witnessing in small circles outside of a church building (even my own) anyway.

Even if I go with a friend on Sunday, AFTER having "kept Sabbath", what I could be doing is giving credence to their worshipping on the wrong day, and not keeping God's Sabbath, breaking the 4th commandment. I decided I won't do that.

I completely agree that we should witness, discuss, and even learn about each other, but we can do that without giving credence to the breaking of one of God's commandments. I want nothing I do, even unconsciously, to support error.

God bless

Cliff2

The above is not Gods commandment, the above is ones private interpretation of Gods commandment.

What you both seem to have completely missed is the fact that none has said anything about replacing Sabbath with another day of worship. The OP is -

Fellowship with Non-Adventists

When was the last time you attended church with someone other than an Adventist friend?

Whether AME, Baptist, Catholic or another denomination, how often do you attend church with someone other than an Adventist?

BTW, according to scripture Saturday is the only Sabbath, thus one is not break the Sabbath while attending church on another day because there is only one Sabbath day.

Danke

 

[SassySDA]

Actually that is just what she is suggesting below:

Cliff2

The above is not Gods commandment, the above is ones private interpretation of Gods commandment.

What you both seem to have completely missed is the fact that none has said anything about replacing Sabbath with another day of worship. The OP is -


BTW, according to scripture Saturday is the only Sabbath, thus one is not break the Sabbath while attending church on another day because there is only one Sabbath day.

Danke

I'll just shut my mouth, how'll that be? Seeing as I obviously don't know my bottom from a hole in the ground.

This should just about appease everyone. I obviously don't know the very doctrine of the church I just joined a few months back, I don't know ANYTHING.

As my grandmother used to say, I'll just "tick a lock".

 

[happywiththelord]

Sassy,

I totally see what you are saying and I agree with you sister! We know that there are different beliefs in SDA (off-shoots), and so of course people are gonna take issue with what you say. You could say the sky is blue and get 12 other posts saying you were wrong because... Just stay true to your beliefs, because,like i said sister, i hear ya and i agree with ya!!

 

[StormyOne]

I'll just shut my mouth, how'll that be? Seeing as I obviously don't know my bottom from a hole in the ground.

This should just about appease everyone. I obviously don't know the very doctrine of the church I just joined a few months back, I don't know ANYTHING.

As my grandmother used to say, I'll just "tick a lock".

You may or may not know the "doctrine" regarding the sabbath, only you can answer that question. There are however some interesting variables that you may or may not have considered... Here is the fundamental belief #20.

20. The Sabbath

:

The beneficent Creator, after the six days of Creation, rested on the seventh day and instituted the Sabbath for all people as a memorial of Creation. The fourth commandment of God's unchangeable law requires the observance of this seventh-day Sabbath as the day of rest, worship, and ministry in harmony with the teaching and practice of Jesus, the Lord of the Sabbath. The Sabbath is a day of delightful communion with God and one another. It is a symbol of our redemption in Christ, a sign of our sanctification, a token of our allegiance, and a foretaste of our eternal future in God's kingdom. The Sabbath is God's perpetual sign of His eternal covenant between Him and His people. Joyful observance of this holy time from evening to evening, sunset to sunset, is a celebration of God's creative and redemptive acts. (Gen. 2:1-3; Ex. 20:8-11; Luke 4:16; Isa. 56:5, 6; 58:13, 14; Matt. 12:1-12; Ex. 31:13-17; Eze. 20:12, 20; Deut. 5:12-15; Heb. 4:1-11; Lev. 23:32; Mark 1:32.)

If just that statement is unpacked it has several interesting possibilities...