Fellowship with Non-Adventists

[Cliff2]

I'll just shut my mouth, how'll that be? Seeing as I obviously don't know my bottom from a hole in the ground.

This should just about appease everyone. I obviously don't know the very doctrine of the church I just joined a few months back, I don't know ANYTHING.

As my grandmother used to say, I'll just "tick a lock".

SassySDA

The Church you joined 7 months ago is the Church that as far as can see follows God's Word the closest out of all the Churches that I know of.

In Revelation John talks about seven churches, not eight or nine. God has no plans to raise up another Church.

God's Church today is "lukewarm", it "naked", it thinks it has no need of anything, but is "poor, wretched, blind..."

The above description is typical of many who claim to be members of the SDA Church.

One day, perhaps soon many will come to an understanding that God will not be mocked, His longsuffering will end and people will be brought to account for their actions.

You do not have to shut your mouth and not participate in this Forum. You keep posting as you have done and God will reward you for being faithful.

 

[SpeakNow]

Sassy the command to remember the sabbath... 6 days.... etc... was implemented for REST..... The commandment does NOT say, "Remember the sabbath to go to church."

Let's be clear, we attend church on sabbath because eventually it became a part of our tradition in terms of observing sabbath. But the command was given to man so that man would rest....

We have clouded the issue by suggesting that it will be a defining mark... the defining mark will not be what day you observe, but whose character you have....

Look at it from this standpoint... Did Jesus save or did sabbath observance save?

Sabbath is called a "holy convocation", it's a day to assemble and come together to worship God.

I believe people can go to a church on Sunday, but they are breaking the fourth commandment if they didn't also go on Sabbath and rest that day.

 

[SassySDA]

Sabbath is called a "holy convocation", it's a day to assemble and come together to worship God.

I believe people can go to a church on Sunday, but they are breaking the fourth commandment if they didn't also go on Sabbath and rest that day.

People can do whatever they want, they can do as they please as far as what day they go to church on.

My point was that I left Sunday keeping for a reason, I have no desire to go back to it, not even for a visit.

God called me out of it, I listened, I obeyed...if there wasn't a good reason, I don't think He would have called. Why would I want to go back IN to something He took the time and effort to call me out of???

It was Sunday keeping churches who taught me that there was an everlasting Hell. It was Sunday keeping churches that taught me I would go straight to heaven when I died, if I'd been good, and it was Sunday keeping churches that taught me that the 4th commandment didn't mean a thing...don't pay any attention to that pesky commandment...you know the one after #3 and before #5. It was Sunday keeping churches that told me to listen to the preacher, don't EVEN waste your time with that bible, you couldn't understand what it says anyway.

No, I have no desire to go back into that. Not even as a visitor.

Jesus saves, yes indeedy. But it is also Jesus that said, "if ye love me keep my commandments" and "if ye break the least one ye break them all." For 40+ years I was breaking His commandments. Most of the time, completely unaware. I wouldn't have that same excuse now, would I. Because I KNOW BETTER now. Not only was I attending church on the 1st day instead of the 7th, I wasn't RESTING either. Please don't treat me as if I have no knowledge whatsoever. I wasn't KEEPING the Sabbath - period.

There is nothing deeper about my feelings on this than that. It has nothing to do with whether or not I believe going to church on Sunday is going to be a sign of the mark of the beast, even though I DO believe it will eventually come down to that. The REAL reason I wouldn't go back is just what I stated. I will not knowingly break His commandments. It was bad enough that I was doing so, completely unaware.

I can think of no reason for me to attend church on Sunday, ever again. Would I go to a funeral in one? A wedding in one? Certainly, but I will not go to regular "Sunday meetin's" anymore. I threw all of my old "Sunday go to meetin'" clothes away. Been there done that.

 

[Cliff2]

Actually that is just what she is suggesting below:

Cliff2

The above is not Gods commandment, the above is ones private interpretation of Gods commandment.

What you both seem to have completely missed is the fact that none has said anything about replacing Sabbath with another day of worship. The OP is -


BTW, according to scripture Saturday is the only Sabbath, thus one is not break the Sabbath while attending church on another day because there is only one Sabbath day.

Danke

No one is even suggesting that a person is breaking the Sabbath because they go with a friend to a Sunday keeping Church for a visit.


I am not speaking for SassySDA or anyone else. They have their own opinions and can speak up for themselves.

What I am suggesting that it is by beholding that we become changed.

If we get into the habbit of going to Church on the first day of the week then what does it tell our children?

They are going to be in no mans land.

Where will they stand on the big issues of life.

They will get the idea that it is OK to take the easy way out, just follow the crowd.

We should be like Joshua.

"As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord"

 

[SpeakNow]

I wasn't advocating going to church every Sunday. What I meant was we can go to church on Wednesday for Bible study, whatever, but that is not the holy convocation we are called to keep. If a person doesn't go on Saturday they are not following the command to assemble together on the Sabbath.

And yes, there is a lot of false doctrine within the Sunday keeping churches...starting with the Sabbath.

 

[Cliff2]

I wasn't advocating going to church every Sunday. What I meant was we can go to church on Wednesday for Bible study, whatever, but that is not the holy convocation we are called to keep. If a person doesn't go on Saturday they are not following the command to assemble together on the Sabbath.

And yes, there is a lot of false doctrine within the Sunday keeping churches...starting with the Sabbath.

Depending on what church you have went to, I mean the list gets fairly big.

State of the dead, end time events, and all that goes with that, creation in many cases. I have not got all day and am slow at typing.

 

[Gentle]

I fellowship with christians, denominational differences aren't that big a deal, fruit is more important to me, I like good fruit, there's good and bad all mixed up, God will sort it out in the end

people like you lighten my heart and soul

God bless you

Andrew

 

[InTheFlame]

Do y'all mind if a non-adventist pokes her nose into this thread and asks a question?

 

[Believer-in-Christ]

I like talking with christians of any denomination. It's a good way to learn what everyone does.

 

[Seraph1m]

I'll just shut my mouth, how'll that be? Seeing as I obviously don't know my bottom from a hole in the ground.

This should just about appease everyone. I obviously don't know the very doctrine of the church I just joined a few months back, I don't know ANYTHING.

As my grandmother used to say, I'll just "tick a lock".

Sis, it is very disconcerting and unfortunate that you consistantly fall back on emotional blackmail when you are asked to simply provide scripture to substantiate a point you claim is a command of God.

I suggest we all consider the following.
1Pe 3:15 But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and [be] ready always to [give] an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear:

Peace

 

[Seraph1m]

Do y'all mind if a non-adventist pokes her nose into this thread and asks a question?

Please do

 

[InTheFlame]

Please do

Thanks

I noticed people saying that the Sabbath is a time to worship God... is this a specific SDA belief (or SDA-flavour belief, I guess!) or an extrapolation of the Sabbath being set apart for God, and for going to church?

The reason I ask... I've been thinking a fair bit recently about the concept in the bible of our lives as worship, and service to the poor and 'oppressed' in society as an act of worship... and started wondering if we're ever told, in Scripture, that the Sabbath is meant for corporate worship.

NOTE: I'm not trying to start a 'do we need to go to church on a Saturday?' debate... I'm curious about the idea of going to church to worship. Maybe my question would be better phrased as... what do adventists tend to believe is the point of going to church? (since I've confused myself a little, I'm hoping others can make sense of my excessively-rambling question!)

 

[Seraph1m]

Thanks

I noticed people saying that the Sabbath is a time to worship God... is this a specific SDA belief (or SDA-flavour belief, I guess!) or an extrapolation of the Sabbath being set apart for God, and for going to church?

The reason I ask... I've been thinking a fair bit recently about the concept in the bible of our lives as worship, and service to the poor and 'oppressed' in society as an act of worship... and started wondering if we're ever told, in Scripture, that the Sabbath is meant for corporate worship.

NOTE: I'm not trying to start a 'do we need to go to church on a Saturday?' debate... I'm curious about the idea of going to church to worship. Maybe my question would be better phrased as... what do adventists tend to believe is the point of going to church? (since I've confused myself a little, I'm hoping others can make sense of my excessively-rambling question!)

No worrys InTheFlame. I hope the below information is beneficial to you.

20. The Sabbath:
The beneficent Creator, after the six days of Creation, rested on the seventh day and instituted the Sabbath for all people as a memorial of Creation. The fourth commandment of God's unchangeable law requires the observance of this seventh-day Sabbath as the day of rest, worship, and ministry in harmony with the teaching and practice of Jesus, the Lord of the Sabbath. The Sabbath is a day of delightful communion with God and one another. It is a symbol of our redemption in Christ, a sign of our sanctification, a token of our allegiance, and a foretaste of our eternal future in God's kingdom. The Sabbath is God's perpetual sign of His eternal covenant between Him and His people. Joyful observance of this holy time from evening to evening, sunset to sunset, is a celebration of God's creative and redemptive acts. (Gen. 2:1-3; Ex. 20:8-11; Luke 4:16; Isa. 56:5, 6; 58:13, 14; Matt. 12:1-12; Ex. 31:13-17; Eze. 20:12, 20; Deut. 5:12-15; Heb. 4:1-11; Lev. 23:32; Mark 1:32.)

Be Blessed

 

[awesumtenor]

Thanks

I noticed people saying that the Sabbath is a time to worship God... is this a specific SDA belief (or SDA-flavour belief, I guess!) or an extrapolation of the Sabbath being set apart for God, and for going to church?

The reason I ask... I've been thinking a fair bit recently about the concept in the bible of our lives as worship, and service to the poor and 'oppressed' in society as an act of worship... and started wondering if we're ever told, in Scripture, that the Sabbath is meant for corporate worship.

NOTE: I'm not trying to start a 'do we need to go to church on a Saturday?' debate... I'm curious about the idea of going to church to worship. Maybe my question would be better phrased as... what do adventists tend to believe is the point of going to church? (since I've confused myself a little, I'm hoping others can make sense of my excessively-rambling question!)

No, IntheFlame, not confusing at all.

Generally, the Seventh-day Adventist church doesn't believe or teach that it has to occur on Sabbath in a church in order to be worship. That said you can find individuals who call themselves Seventh-day Adventists who do believe that. There are some who call themselves Seventh-day Adventists who believe that by keeping the Sabbath (in the manner they feel is proper) they have met the crux of their obligation to God because they have met the letter of the 10 commandments... but they do not realize that they have not kept the commandments of God because they have not loved their neighbor as themselves. There are some who call themselves Seventh-day Adventists who have made God in their own image, after their likeness and then call themselves serving that god without divesting themselves of any of the prejudice, hatred or intolerance they had prior to joining the church.

And the list goes on so long I have neither the time nor the space to continue... and because of this Seventh-day Adventists are no different than any other Christian denomination.

Take each person on his or her own merit. Resist the impulse to tar all with the same brush. If you look long enough you can find the crazies in every church of every stripe and hue...but don't let them obscure the ones who are dying to self daily and taking up their cross and following Christ.

Keep in mind what Jesus said in Matt chapter 7:

Mat 7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. Mat 7:16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? Mat 7:17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. Mat 7:18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither [can] a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. Mat 7:19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. Mat 7:20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them. Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
Each has his relationship with God and the fruit each one bears is a witness to the state of that relationship with God. Conformity will only hide that for so long; eventually what is done in darkness will come to light but when it does it only speaks to where that person is... not a whole denomination.

In His service,
Mr. J

 

[Seraph1m]

No, IntheFlame, not confusing at all.

Generally, the Seventh-day Adventist church doesn't believe or teach that it has to occur on Sabbath in a church in order to be worship. That said you can find individuals who call themselves Seventh-day Adventists who do believe that. There are some who call themselves Seventh-day Adventists who believe that by keeping the Sabbath (in the manner they feel is proper) they have met the crux of their obligation to God because they have met the letter of the 10 commandments... but they do not realize that they have not kept the commandments of God because they have not loved their neighbor as themselves. There are some who call themselves Seventh-day Adventists who have made God in their own image, after their likeness and then call themselves serving that god without divesting themselves of any of the prejudice, hatred or intolerance they had prior to joining the church.

And the list goes on so long I have neither the time nor the space to continue... and because of this Seventh-day Adventists are no different than any other Christian denomination.

Take each person on his or her own merit. Resist the impulse to tar all with the same brush. If you look long enough you can find the crazies in every church of every stripe and hue...but don't let them obscure the ones who are dying to self daily and taking up their cross and following Christ.

Keep in mind what Jesus said in Matt chapter 7:

Mat 7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. Mat 7:16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? Mat 7:17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. Mat 7:18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither [can] a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. Mat 7:19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. Mat 7:20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them. Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
Each has his relationship with God and the fruit each one bears is a witness to the state of that relationship with God. Conformity will only hide that for so long; eventually what is done in darkness will come to light but when it does it only speaks to where that person is... not a whole denomination.

In His service,
Mr. J

Very true...

 

[awesumtenor]

I hope this doesn't sound flip. I don't mean it to. But I do what the Bible says to do on Sunday. I work.

The bible does not say one must work on sunday. It merely says that all one's work should be accomplished in six days and that one should not work on the seventh day. There is a significant difference between those statements.

That said, I've been to other churches for various reasons since becoming an Adventist. I found the services interesting, but I caught myself (and my wife) comenting on things we thought were strange or erroneous rather than partaking in the service.

In discussing the Sunday Law and whatnot, Mrs. White encouraged us to hold meetings on Sunday to bring people to the truth but of course that is vastly different than worship.

2Tim

Are you saying if it does not occur on Sabbath, it cannot be worship?

In His service,
Mr. J

 

[awesumtenor]

Ok. I'm willing to be convinced. Why not?
2Tim

You've made an errant presumption. I never stated what about it made me scratch my head. You presumed to know... and you are mistaken.

In His service,
Mr. J

 

[SassySDA]

You've made an errant presumption. I never stated what about it made me scratch my head. You presumed to know... and you are mistaken.

In His service,
Mr. J

So please, DO try to enlighten the errant one.

 

[2tim]

You've made an errant presumption. I never stated what about it made me scratch my head. You presumed to know... and you are mistaken.

In His service,
Mr. J

You're losing me. Just be plain. Yuor response to her post was "Oooooook. " when I read that out loud it sounds like you disagree with her. My next post was in defense of her statement. Where's the presumption? What are you saying? Thanks.

2T

 

[2tim]

InTheFlame,

If I understand your qusetion, this also applies.

Le 23:3 Six days shall work be done: but the seventh day is the sabbath of rest, an holy convocation; ye shall do no work therein: it is the sabbath of the LORD in all your dwellings.

Thanks for your courage,
2Tim