Fading white evangelicals have made a desperate end-of-life bargain with Trump

[rjs330]

...uhmmm...I thought my point was that for all their "anti-abortion" rhetoric (because quite honestly they aren't even sort of "pro-life) they need to keep abortion around to use to keep their base in control. Over turning it is ALWAYS going to be just out of reach because that's where they want it. I've watched them chip away at civil rights and giving tax breaks to the wealthy and they were able to do it because the people who elect them and support them are so convinced if they vote for this guy? It's for sure this time going to happen. And then? The goal post moves another 100 yards and they make their "Those darn Democrats!" speeches and plan how to use the bell for the next thing on the agenda.
tulc(is off to do the garbage at home see you all later!)

sigh!...yes I got your point but you point in invalid. It's an opinion. As I said Republicans can't do anything. Your point is they don't do anything. Two very different things. Can't is completely different than won't or don't. I'm sure you see the difference. I have evidence for my point of view. You have opinion without evidence.

 

[rjs330]

I don't think that "they are all lying", is going to be an effective response.

The July 26-28 poll suggested that the country largely disagrees with President Donald Trump’s announcement this week that he will ban transgender personnel from the armed forces.

When asked to weigh in on the debate, 58 percent of adults agreed with the statement, “Transgender people should be allowed to serve in the military.” Twenty-seven percent said they should not while the rest answered “don’t know.”

Democrats mostly supported military service by transgender Americans while Republicans were more evenly split.
Exclusive: Majority of Americans support transgender military service

Most Americans believe transgender people should be allowed to serve in the U.S. military, according to a new poll. The findings come after President Donald Trump decided to bar transgender people from military service.

A Quinnipiac University national poll released Thursday found that 68% of American voters think that transgender people should be allowed to serve. That’s including 55% of voters in military households who support transgender service, according to the poll.

By contrast, 27% of American voters believe transgender people should not be allowed to serve in the armed forces.
Poll: Most Americans Support Transgender Military Service


A poll conducted less than one month prior to President Trump's decision on Wednesday to reverse an Obama-era policy that allowed transgender individuals to serve openly in the military found more people opposed than supported it.

Rasmussen surveyed 1,000 likely voters on the topic in late June, almost exactly one year after then-Defense Secretary Ash Carter announced the shift last summer.

"The U.S. Department of Defense now allows transgender people, those who identify with and want to live as the opposite sex, to serve openly in the military," the survey said. "Is this decision good for the military, bad for the military or does it have no impact?"

Only 23 percent of people surveyed responded that it was good, while 31 percent said it was bad. The largest bloc of respondents, 38 percent, said it has no impact.
Here's what polls say about a transgender military ban

I think the change came from people realizing the downside of transgenders entering the military. A LOT of people are VERY misinformed. It all sounds nice and good and compassionate until the rubber hits the road. When people find out the transgenders are using the military to get sex changes they are not happy about spending tax dollars for elective surgery.

I for one could care less if a transgender serves in the military. The military men and women all pretty much dress the same. So who cares. But the military should not be paying for elective surgery.

 

[Truth7t7]

Well said. This rush to outlaw bathroom use by some people is really excessively intrusive, and as you suggest, could easily be dealt with on a less authoritarian basis.

My wife works for a large university medical center. There is one person who uses the ladies room, who appears very mannish. She's pretty sure this person is transgendered. It doesn't bother her, because she never peeks into the stall to see. Apparently, the other women using that restroom have no problem with it, either.

If a 70 year-old grandmother can adapt to this, I'm puzzled as to why anyone else is hyperventilating about it.

BTW, I remain unconvinced that there's any sense in changing gender to something else, but it's really none of my business as long as it doesn't impose on my rights.

Were talking about "Bill" who thinks he's Shirley trapped in a man's body, who dresses up in a mini skirt, wig, high heels and purse.

"Bill" refuses to use the mens restroom, as he uses the womens with females complaining in disbelief of "Bills" actions?

As store manager, you gonna remove "Bill" after receiving complaints from female customers?

 

[The Barbarian]

Were talking about "Bill" who thinks he's Shirley trapped in a man's body, who dresses up in a mini skirt, wig, high heels and purse.

"Bill" refuses to use the mens restroom, as he uses the womens with females complaining in disbelief of "Bills" actions?

As store manager, you gonna remove "Bill" after receiving complaints from female customers?

I'm just noting that most women aren't all that worked up about it. Short of peeking, how would they know for sure?

 

[The Barbarian]

I think the change came from people realizing the downside of transgenders entering the military. A LOT of people are VERY misinformed. It all sounds nice and good and compassionate until the rubber hits the road. When people find out the transgenders are using the military to get sex changes they are not happy about spending tax dollars for elective surgery.

I for one could care less if a transgender serves in the military. The military men and women all pretty much dress the same. So who cares. But the military should not be paying for elective surgery.

Turns out, it's a tiny part of the budget for medical care. If a military physician prescribes it, I don't see a problem.

Considering the prevalence of transgender servicemembers among the active duty military and the typical health-care costs for gender-transition-related medical treatment, the Rand study estimated that these treatments would cost the military between $2.4 million and $8.4 million annually.


The study didn't include estimates of these costs for reservists, because of their “highly limited military health care eligibility.” It also didn't include estimates for retirees or military family members, because many of those individuals may also have “limited eligibility” for care via military treatment facilities.


“The implication is that even in the most extreme scenario that we were able to identify … we expect only a 0.13-percent ($8.4 million out of $6.2 billion) increase in health care spending,” Rand's authors concluded.


By contrast, total military spending on erectile dysfunction medicines amounts to $84 million annually, according to an analysis by the Military Times — 10 times the cost of annual transition-related medical care for active duty transgender servicemembers.


The military spends $41.6 million annually on Viagra alone, according to the Military Times analysis — roughly five times the estimated spending on transition-related medical care for transgender troops.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...r-troops-medical-care/?utm_term=.119d2c97104b

 

[RDKirk]

Considering the prevalence of transgender servicemembers among the active duty military and the typical health-care costs for gender-transition-related medical treatment, the Rand study estimated that these treatments would cost the military between $2.4 million and $8.4 million annually.

"Prevalence?"

There is no prevalance of transgenders in the military, probably about half a percent.

The DoD spends about 50 bee-illion dollars annually in medical expenses.

 

[Truth7t7]

I'm just noting that most women aren't all that worked up about it. Short of peeking, how would they know for sure?

You desire to take away the privacy of (999) to give it to (1) Mentally I'll "Bill".

Its actions such as this, that take away freedom in the right to privacy of the majority, and give it to the minority.

You rant about Nazi control, your reading it.

 

[Rion The Lion]

I wouldn't attempt to intellectually analyze any piece of writing coming from a major publication, nowadays. It isn't even worth laughing at. Just ignore it all, especially an opinion piece.

 

[Truth7t7]

Were talking about "Bill" who thinks he's Shirley trapped in a man's body, who dresses up in a mini skirt, wig, high heels and purse.

"Bill" refuses to use the mens restroom, as he uses the womens with females complaining in disbelief of "Bills" actions?

As store manager, you gonna remove "Bill" after receiving complaints from female customers?

Turns out, it's a tiny part of the budget for medical care. If a military physician prescribes it, I don't see a problem.

Considering the prevalence of transgender servicemembers among the active duty military and the typical health-care costs for gender-transition-related medical treatment, the Rand study estimated that these treatments would cost the military between $2.4 million and $8.4 million annually.


The study didn't include estimates of these costs for reservists, because of their “highly limited military health care eligibility.” It also didn't include estimates for retirees or military family members, because many of those individuals may also have “limited eligibility” for care via military treatment facilities.


“The implication is that even in the most extreme scenario that we were able to identify … we expect only a 0.13-percent ($8.4 million out of $6.2 billion) increase in health care spending,” Rand's authors concluded.


By contrast, total military spending on erectile dysfunction medicines amounts to $84 million annually, according to an analysis by the Military Times — 10 times the cost of annual transition-related medical care for active duty transgender servicemembers.


The military spends $41.6 million annually on Viagra alone, according to the Military Times analysis — roughly five times the estimated spending on transition-related medical care for transgender troops.
Analysis | The military spends five times as much on Viagra as it would on transgender troops’ medical care

 

[rjs330]

Turns out, it's a tiny part of the budget for medical care. If a military physician prescribes it, I don't see a problem.

Considering the prevalence of transgender servicemembers among the active duty military and the typical health-care costs for gender-transition-related medical treatment, the Rand study estimated that these treatments would cost the military between $2.4 million and $8.4 million annually.


The study didn't include estimates of these costs for reservists, because of their “highly limited military health care eligibility.” It also didn't include estimates for retirees or military family members, because many of those individuals may also have “limited eligibility” for care via military treatment facilities.


“The implication is that even in the most extreme scenario that we were able to identify … we expect only a 0.13-percent ($8.4 million out of $6.2 billion) increase in health care spending,” Rand's authors concluded.


By contrast, total military spending on erectile dysfunction medicines amounts to $84 million annually, according to an analysis by the Military Times — 10 times the cost of annual transition-related medical care for active duty transgender servicemembers.


The military spends $41.6 million annually on Viagra alone, according to the Military Times analysis — roughly five times the estimated spending on transition-related medical care for transgender troops.
Analysis | The military spends five times as much on Viagra as it would on transgender troops’ medical care

The government shouldn't be paying for the little blue pill either. Insurance should be there to cover necessary medical costs. If your sick or injured or have a disease then we should be paying for that. Transgenders or those with ED don't HAVE to have stuff. My insurance will not pay for elective surgery or for the blue pills or any other non health related stuff. They pay for necessary medical treatments and prescriptions that keep me healthy or help me get healthy. The military shouldn't be spending my tax dollars on the other stuff.

 

[The Barbarian]

The government shouldn't be paying for the little blue pill either. Insurance should be there to cover necessary medical costs. If your sick or injured or have a disease then we should be paying for that. Transgenders or those with ED don't HAVE to have stuff. My insurance will not pay for elective surgery or for the blue pills or any other non health related stuff. They pay for necessary medical treatments and prescriptions that keep me healthy or help me get healthy. The military shouldn't be spending my tax dollars on the other stuff.

The thinking (goes back at least to WWII) is that if these guys are willing to die for us, the least we can do is pay their medical bills. Makes sense to me.

I admit to being biased. I spent 8 years in, and got two degrees while serving. Because I had a skill that was in demand, I didn't get exposed to much danger. But I highly admire the guys who were and treated it as though it were no big deal.

They deserve the best care.

 

[Truth7t7]

The thinking (goes back at least to WWII) is that if these guys are willing to die for us, the least we can do is pay their medical bills. Makes sense to me.

I admit to being biased. I spent 8 years in, and got two degrees while serving. Because I had a skill that was in demand, I didn't get exposed to much danger. But I highly admire the guys who were and treated it as though it were no big deal.

They deserve the best care.

You call using tax payers monies to kill the unborn through funded abortion the best? Not!

Taxpayers pay for a sex change? Not!

Medical care 100% yes, may the vet stand first inline!

Job opportunities, may the vet stand first in line!

 

[The Barbarian]

The thinking (goes back at least to WWII) is that if these guys are willing to die for us, the least we can do is pay their medical bills. Makes sense to me.

I admit to being biased. I spent 8 years in, and got two degrees while serving. Because I had a skill that was in demand, I didn't get exposed to much danger. But I highly admire the guys who were and treated it as though it were no big deal.

They deserve the best care.

You call using tax payers monies to kill the unborn through funded abortion the best?

Apparently, you posted in the wrong thread. This isn't about abortion. Do you understand want "transgendered" means?

 

[JoeP222w]

"Evangelical" has become a completely, utterly meaningless term in the Post-Modern, Post-Christian USA.

 

[RDKirk]

"Evangelical" has become a completely, utterly meaningless term in the Post-Modern, Post-Christian USA.

Oh, no, it's meaningful. It doesn't mean the same thing it meant 100 years ago, but people know who the "Evangelicals" are today.

 

[mathinspiration]

I wonder if you can reason with him. It would be like reasoning with the devil.