There are lots of attempts to make eternal torment seem reasonable. This is one of them. But the passages show God sending them to it. The OT images of fire are fire from heaven, not fires that came from knocking over a lamp and got out of control.It shows extreme ignorance of spiritual reality. People choose life or death. They could choose life. Those who do not will be torturing themselves.
It shows extreme ignorance of spiritual reality. People choose life or death. They could choose life. Those who do not will be torturing themselves.
Obviously I do not agree with you. Just one Bible verse - there are others:I don't really see you addressing the problem. Nowhere does scripture ever speak of us sending ourselves to eternally tormented. You answer doesn't address the concern of the meme, that ultimately, God is holding his creation to higher standards than himself, if he doesn't actually do what he tells others to do.
Face book friend posted this. So, how's he wrong?
Another attempt to make it palatable. But the image in the Rev isn’t just isolation from God. It is torment impose by God.There is no time in Hell.
Hell is the reward for people who do not want to be with God.
That's extremely fair. Don't want, don't get.
But, people torment themselves in Hell. Also very fair.
I don't really see you addressing the problem. Nowhere does scripture ever speak of us sending ourselves to eternally tormented. You answer doesn't address the concern of the meme, that ultimately, God is holding his creation to higher standards than himself, if he doesn't actually do what he tells others to do.
This passage is referring to a fate worse than death without mercy. Jesus also mentioned a fate worse than death.Obviously I do not agree with you. Just one Bible verse - there are others:
Hebrews 10
"28Anyone who rejected the Law of Moses died without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. 29How much more severely do you think one deserves to be punished who has trampled on the Son of God, profaned the blood of the covenant that sanctified him, and insulted the Spirit of grace?…"
Mercy and grace are utterly undeserved. God is not obliged to save anyone. That He does is a testimony to His great love. But those who refuse Him in this life will have to live with the consequences in the next.
Oh, for sure it is going to be terrible. The story of the rich man and Lazarus shows that. Those who are not born again are already dead. That's why they have no access to heaven. It's not a matter of "good" or "bad". There is a second death for the unbeliever. I personally do not believe that it is a literal fire. God is a consuming fire. Most people are afraid of death but it's what comes after that they should fear.This passage is referring to a fate worse than death without mercy. Jesus also mentioned a fate worse than death.
• “Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:” Matthew 25:41…..These teachings tacitly reaffirmed and sanctioned a then existing significant Jewish view of eternal hell. In Matt. 18:6, 26:24 and Luk 10:12, see above, Jesus teaches that there is a punishment worse than death or nonexistence.
• "these shall go away into eternal punishment, Matthew 25:46"
• "the fire of hell where the fire is not quenched and the worm does not die, Mark 9:43-48"
• "cast into a fiery furnace where there will be wailing and gnashing of teeth,” Matthew 13:42, Matthew 13:50
• “But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea.” Matthew 18:6
• “And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.” Matthew 7:23
• “woe unto that man by whom the Son of man is betrayed! it had been good for that man if he had not been born. ” Matthew 26:24
• “But I say unto you, that it shall be more tolerable in that day for Sodom, than for that city.” Luke 10:12
…..Jesus is quoted as using the word death 17 times in the gospels, if He wanted to say eternal death in Matt 25:46, that is what He would have said but He didn’t, He said “eternal punishment.” The Sadducees did not believe in the resurrection, they knew that everybody died; rich, poor, young, old, good, bad, men, women, children, infants and knew that often it had nothing to do with punishment and was permanent. When Jesus taught “eternal punishment” they would not have understood it as merely death, it would have meant something worse to them.
There is no time in Hell.
Hell is the reward for people who do not want to be with God.
That's extremely fair. Don't want, don't get.
But, people torment themselves in Hell. Also very fair.
They are talking about the wrong god.
We are already in hell; Someone came to show us the way out. A lesser god seeks to keep us here.
The real question is why are you sharing a picture that mocks Christ? Those who publically mock Christ, even by sharing their friend's pictures, have no wisdom or even a basic fear of the Lord.
I already have provided arguments in an earlier post.It certainly mocks a version of Christ, that's for sure.
Is that the only argument you can come up with though?
I don't really see you addressing the problem. Nowhere does scripture ever speak of us sending ourselves to eternally tormented. You answer doesn't address the concern of the meme, that ultimately, God is holding his creation to higher standards than himself, if he doesn't actually do what he tells others to do.
Would you mind going into a little more detail about this?
Thanks!