Evolution's Brick Wall

[Heissonear]

As was written to you before, because there is ZERO evidence for creation, thus it is not even in the running.
Seriously, you actually want something that rests solely on the say-so of ancient middle eastern numerologists to be considered alongside that for which there is reams of evidence, from several scientific disciplines, solely because we cannot fill in every blank in a manner that you think they should be?

This is why I asked about your background and how much you understand things like fossilization - I can see why you only replied to those requests with poor attempts at wittiness.

As I just posted above - about how we can know what is in the Bible through Him on High revealing such, we are not quick to receive Earthly knowledge without Him. Science is not an idol in our heart.

One of the first sections of the Bible written on my heart to heed and bear fruit unto Him is the following. It is to wait on Him for understanding - not our brain power or following the words folks.

So many people view the Bible as a dead book, full of fiction. So many people do not acknowledge Him in all their ways, seeking what He says about things - much different than only what our intellect produces.

I hope the eyes of many posters become opened by Grace from On High.

 

[pitabread]

You sound unfamiliar with how the heavens can open, and being taught by Him. When will this position change for you?

If there really is an omnipotent supernatural being that desires my belief/worship/obedience, they already know what it will take to convince me.

And it's going to take more than random Bible quotes posted on the Internet.

 

[Justatruthseeker]

Some scientists say (don’t ask me to quote anything, it’s there, look for yourself ) that our family tree is more like a huge bush, with so many branches that lead to dead ends (not enough transition fossils found to seal the deal -- a brick wall) that it may be impossible to ever fill the gap and find a verifiable route from ape to the modern man.

I have often times found myself thinking “man, there appears to be a lot of evidence there, presented by knowledgeable people”... but it never pans out.

How long will it take for academia's and evolutionists to admit that Creation is the likely option if no such route is found, 100 years, 200 years, 500 years, never?

They don't need "proof". Evolution is a faith based belief just as is creation, except that creation has more observational evidence backing it than evolution does.

Have you never noticed that at every single point in the evolutionary tree of every single species, that when it comes time to connect to another species, suddenly they invoke "missing" common ancestors????

In reality half of the claimed transitional fossils are simply incorrect classifications. Variation "within" the species is clearly seen (wolf to poodle), but we all understand they are the same species because we know their lineage. The lineage of fossils is unknown, no one was there to observe what mated with what, and it can not be discovered from a pile of bones. They simply call things that look a little different separate species because they need confirmation of their beliefs, but in reality no such confirmation exists. Some are clearly all the same species, just variation within the species as are dogs.

These are merely incorrectly classified and are variations within one species as are dogs.

It is only when we get to totally non-similar species is when the "missing" common ancestor is invoked at every claimed split on every single evolutionary tree for every single creature that exists......

The theory of evolution is simply error after uncorrected error, bait and switch after bait and switch.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

If there really is an omnipotent supernatural being that desires my belief/worship/obedience, they already know what it will take to convince me.

And it's going to take more than random Bible quotes posted on the Internet.

Yes, and either they are ignoring you and you are already condemned because of unbelief.........

or they did not ignore you , you were already provided with a universe full of proof of Yahweh's Existence (as everyone has been)
and
you still do not believe, so you are already condemned because of your unbelief.

hmmm...... unbelief seems to be the common point why anyone is condemned.

 

[pitabread]

Evolution is a faith based belief just as is creation, except that creation has more observational evidence backing it than evolution does.

More observational evidence? You mean like watching fully formed species appear out of thin air?

 

[pitabread]

Yes, and either they are ignoring you and you are already condemned because of unbelief.........

Oh well.

 

[Justatruthseeker]

If there really is an omnipotent supernatural being that desires my belief/worship/obedience, they already know what it will take to convince me.

And it's going to take more than random Bible quotes posted on the Internet.

You have already been given everything you need, your just making excuses still.

Romans 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

I believe you already know what makes up everything in existence and is in everything, and that makes thought itself possible.

 

[Justatruthseeker]

More observational evidence? You mean like watching fully formed species appear out of thin air?

They weren't formed out of thin air, but from dust (protons, electrons and neutrons). You know, the same thing your theory stole and used...... You know, life from non-life.....

Why the strawman Pitabread????

 

[pitabread]

They weren't formed out of thin air, but from dust (protons, electrons and neutrons). You know, the same thing your theory stole and used......

What is the mechanism though? How does that happen?

Why the strawman Pitabread????

It's a figure of speech, not a strawman.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

More observational evidence? You mean like watching fully formed species appear out of thin air?

Yahweh through Yahshua made everything out of nothing - sometimes subsequently out of dust (dirt) and/or water?, but not out of air, I think.

Fully formed man, woman, and all the fish of the sea, and all the birds of the air, and every creeping thing that creeps upon the earth ...... all completely and amazingly created by Yahweh.....

Simple.

 

[pitabread]

You have already been given everything you need, your just making excuses still.

It's call being honest with oneself. I came to a comfortable position regarding my own philosophical beliefs about the nature of the universe. And this includes that I don't see any reason to pick any given religion over another. From where I sit, they all appear to be the result of cultural propagation.

 

[pitabread]

Yahweh through Yahshua made everything out of nothing - sometimes subsequently out of dust (dirt) and/or water?, but not out of air, I think.

You're missing the point: I'm asking for a specific mechanism of how such a thing is possible.

 

[Justatruthseeker]

What is the mechanism though? How does that happen?

How does your's????

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

N oworr y atall..... there is NO mechanism at all by which such a thing is possible.

You're missing the point: I'm asking for a specific mechanism of how such a thing is possible.

 

[pitabread]

How does your's????

By answering a question with a question, you've just invalidated your own claim about having "more evidence" for creation.

When you come up with a mechanism by which fully formed species are/were created, let us know.

 

[Justatruthseeker]

It's call being honest with oneself. I came to a comfortable position regarding my own philosophical beliefs about the nature of the universe. And this includes that I don't see any reason to pick any given religion over another. From where I sit, they all appear to be the result of cultural propagation.

As is evolution a mere result of cultural propagation, from spontaneous generation to abiogenesis - life from non-life....

"Belief in spontaneous generation of certain forms of life from non-living matter goes back to Aristotle and ancient Greek philosophy and continued to have support in Western scholarship until the 19th century."

Whether a fly or a single celled creature, its all the same..... They just changed the name and you fell for it......

 

[pitabread]

N oworr y atall..... there is NO mechanism at all by which such a thing is possible.

Glad that is settled then.

 

[Justatruthseeker]

By answering a question with a question, you've just invalidated your own claim about having "more evidence" for creation.

When you come up with a mechanism by which fully formed species are/were created, let us know.

Let me now when you come up with evidence for the creation of "any" life at all.....

God formed all life from the dust of the ground. I.e. built them molecule by molecule and then gave them life.

You see, we are formed of the exact same protons, neutrons and electrons as are rocks, but unlike rocks we are alive. There is no known mechanism which can change a rock into living matter, yet this is exactly what was done. We just admit the evidence points to a creator, while you deny the evidence before your eyes....

 

[pitabread]

built them molecule by molecule and then gave them life.

And how did they do that?

There is no known mechanism which can change a rock into living matter, yet this is exactly what was done. We just admit the evidence points to a creator, while you deny the evidence before your eyes....

I'm not sure what "evidence" you are speaking of. From where I'm sitting it just seems like an argument from awe/incredulity.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Don't be.

It is not settled until death.

No mechanism simply means no mechanism.

Yahweh just created everything according to HIS PURPOSE, HIS PLAN, and the PLAN OF SALVATION in and through JESUS THE MESSIAH.

Out of nothing ------------------- no mechanism at all.

NO person can do this outside of abiding in Jesus and speaking the Father's Creative Word if and when He Says to.

Glad that is settled then.