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No bottleneck means no flood. What source do you use for your translation?
The point is that your version first said it was not "deep enough".
Any version of the Flood that is small enough not to have left clear evidence is so small that the Ark itself was superfluous.
The problems with the Ark are endless.
Endless evidence that tells us that it did not happen and no reliable evidence for it.
Taking a part of the Bible that should be a morality tale and treating it as if it really happened harms Christianity.
Seven of the eight were likely 'mongrels',
carrying the genetic characteristics of perhaps dozens of ethnicities, which would explain the rise of so many differing peoples shortly after the flood. Recall that only Noah was "perfect in his generations" (genealogy?)
Your flood would have been limited to lowlands. Not everyone lives there. Most would not even have to climb a small hill. People that did in floods tend to be on the flood plains. By the way, there is a reason that they have that name.Nope. Many people perish in floods within sight of high ground. Also, high ground doesn't help if you have no food or shelter, if you could even get to it. Your goose is cooked anyway.
Yes, but if someone claimed that a herd of buffalo just stampeded through their house and you rush over and there is no evidence of such a stamped do you believe him or not? Large scale events DO leave large scale evidence.Many events happen without clear evidence. You have to consider what such evidence would be and where such evidence would be left.
Made-up problems. For example a made-up flood would certainly sink a made-up ark. The real ark would survive the real flood, and did.
There's actually lots of evidence. You just have to know where, and where not, to look.
The flood story is written as an actual event, although it is loaded with metaphors.
No, you are forgetting that Noah's sons were the product of him and his wife. At the very most you would have 5 genomes to work with. That of Noah and his wife and the three wives of the three sons. Cheetahs did not have that bad of a population bottleneck and there is no need to go through genetic matching when one does a transplant. The fact that transplants are very dangerous, with even matched people rejecting organs, tells us that there was no flood.Seven of the eight were likely 'mongrels', carrying the genetic characteristics of perhaps dozens of ethnicities, which would explain the rise of so many differing peoples shortly after the flood. Recall that only Noah was "perfect in his generations" (genealogy?)
If you go by that standard then the Ark was not needed. That is a local flood, of which there is evidence of. Legends often start out based upon real events. But as I said, the Ark was not needed for that flood. One thing to remember is that real life events do leave real life evidence behind.
How did those 'prehistoric' people survive the flood?Unscriptural since the people on the Ark were Humans, created with an intelligence like God's. Genesis 3:22 The "mongrels" were the sons of God (prehistoric people) who had descended from the last universal common ancestor on planet Earth. Noah's sons and daughters in law had grandsons who married and had children with the prehistoric people who were everywhere 11k years ago. Genesis 6:4 It's how and why all Humans today have a chromosome 2 which is fused.
The only ethnicities came from our ancestors who descended from water. Genesis 1:21 Noah's grandsons were direct descendants of Adam, who was formed from the dust of the ground. Genesis 2:7
Noah was not righteous but simply forgiven and filled with the Holy Spirit, which is the only thing about Humans which is "perfect".
Rom 3:10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:
Amen?
LOL! You do not want to go down that rabbit hole with him.How did those 'prehistoric' people survive the flood?
No, you are forgetting that Noah's sons were the product of him and his wife.
Your flood would have been limited to lowlands. Not everyone lives there. Most would not even have to climb a small hill. People that did in floods tend to be on the flood plains. By the way, there is a reason that they have that name.
Yes, but if someone claimed that a herd of buffalo just stampeded through their house and you rush over and there is no evidence of such a stamped do you believe him or not? Large scale events DO leave large scale evidence.
Sorry, a real flood would have left real evidence. You have a made up flood.
If there was evidence it would be accepted in the world of science.
Um, no. The problem with a flood is that it ultimately is a claim of a God that lies. Even when I was a Christian I did not believe that God lied. You should be thankful. The Flood story paints God as being rather evil if read literally. As an allegory one can focus on the Noah part of the story.
You really need to read up on what alleles are. And there is no such thing as "genetically pure". This approach also paints God as a strange mixture of incompetence and rather strangely evil planning ahead. It also removes the concept of free will for Noah's offspring. It is simply not a good story for Christianity when taken literally.Noah: Genetically pure for God's purpose.
Wife: Likely mixed genealogy.
Sons: Likely three different characteristics (white, black, yellow) because of mother.
Sons wives: Three more likely widely varying genetic characteristics.
Result: A very diverse genetic pool carried over: no bottleneck.
You really need to read up on what alleles are. And there is no such thing as "genetically pure". This approach also paints God as a strange mixture of incompetence and rather strangely evil planning ahead. It also removes the concept of free will for Noah's offspring. It is simply not a good story for Christianity when taken literally.
The scriptural narrative says the high hills were covered (some translations say "highest mountains'', which was not necessary.
You did not understand the analogy. Try again.I like this analogy. Would you deny such a stampede through a mountain valley if no evidence was found on the steep sides of the mountain? That's what is happening with the flood.
There is evidence of global flooding all over the globe, just not on the mountainsides (why would there be?).
Nope. There are separate small floods at different times all around the world. This is evidence against the flood since a worldwide flood would leave evidence all of the same age. Instead we see both more recent and older floods. The older floods should have been "written over" by a larger younger flood, but that flood is not to be seen.Worldwide flooding is accepted by science. They reject the flood because there is no remaining evidence on the steep sides of mountains, and why would there be after 4000 years of wear by rain, snow, and wind? In fact nearly all of Noah's flood evidence would be long gone.
I would hate to think what humanity would look like if there had been no flood, if humanity would even have survived this long.
An allele is a version of a gene. For example there is an allele that gives blue eyes (there are actually several alleles for eye color but the blue one is rather obvious). Genetic diversity can be measured. We know how fast new genes are incorporated into the genome, so we can date when certain events that lowered the genetic diversity occurred. A few thousand years with only a handful of people will not produce the variation that we see today. Cheetahs are an excellent example of this. They did have an almost "Noah's Ark" level of population bottleneck about 10,000 years ago. And even with their shorter generation, which means more new variations would have been introduced than in humans in that time period, they are still all so closely related that organ transplants are not a problem.Don't alleles mean even more variety?
How did those 'prehistoric' people survive the flood?
LOL! You do not want to go down that rabbit hole with him.
EDIT: But he is a prime example of why I ask people for their version of the Flood.
Don't make false claims about others. You have not been willing to learn from your errors. Science does not agree with you. You have some very strange beliefs that you cannot support.Is that why you run and hide from my understanding which agrees with Scripture, science, history and genetics and NO one can refute me in any way? Of course it is. As with all believers in man-made science, you operate with only a partial truth. God's Truth is the Truth in every way. Amen?
Nope. There are separate small floods at different times all around the world. This is evidence against the flood since a worldwide flood would leave evidence all of the same age. Instead we see both more recent and older floods. The older floods should have been "written over" by a larger younger flood, but that flood is not to be seen.
Why would Noah's flood leave uniform evidence?
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