Evolution is Not Atheistic

[Graham Lloyd Dull]

You are taking it by faith that the Bible is God speaking to you. You don't know it for a fact. Same for me.

Open Heart
It is the same for me. Faith is so often talked about in a spiritual setting, but we need to be aware of just how big a role faith plays in every aspect of our lives -- completely aside from our religious convictions.
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I may not get back to this discussion as I am off to visit family, including grandchildren for one week. My time will be eaten up with other very pleasant activities.
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God bless you.

 

[SkyWriting]

One of the most common misconceptions concerns the so-called “scientific proofs.” Contrary to popular belief, there is no such thing as a scientific proof.

I'm laughing.

Because you're funny.

MISCONCEPTION: Science proves ideas.
CORRECTION: Journalists often write about "scientific proof" and some scientists talk about it, but in fact, the concept of proof — real, absolute proof — is not particularly scientific. Science is based on the principle that any idea, no matter how widely accepted today, could be overturned tomorrow if the evidence warranted it. Science accepts or rejects ideas based on the evidence; it does not prove or disprove them. To learn more about this, visit our page describing how science aims to build knowledge.http://undsci.berkeley.edu/teaching/misconceptions.php


Students hold many misconceptions about uncertainty, including:

• There is always a right answer.
• Students struggle with the idea of the tentativeness of scientific knowledge;
• Scientific ideas are either 'proven' or 'not proven' - there is no sense of the quantitative nature of uncertainty.
• http://serc.carleton.edu/sp/process_of_science/misconceptions.html

But there is one thing I really really don’t like about science:
Science can’t prove anything.

 

[Armoured]

Because you're funny.

MISCONCEPTION: Science proves ideas.
CORRECTION: Journalists often write about "scientific proof" and some scientists talk about it, but in fact, the concept of proof — real, absolute proof — is not particularly scientific. Science is based on the principle that any idea, no matter how widely accepted today, could be overturned tomorrow if the evidence warranted it. Science accepts or rejects ideas based on the evidence; it does not prove or disprove them. To learn more about this, visit our page describing how science aims to build knowledge.http://undsci.berkeley.edu/teaching/misconceptions.php


Students hold many misconceptions about uncertainty, including:

• There is always a right answer.
• Students struggle with the idea of the tentativeness of scientific knowledge;
• Scientific ideas are either 'proven' or 'not proven' - there is no sense of the quantitative nature of uncertainty.
• http://serc.carleton.edu/sp/process_of_science/misconceptions.html

Misconception; just because something isn't proven, it is necessarily incorrect.

 

[SkyWriting]

Misconception; just because something isn't proven, it is necessarily incorrect.

If you can't handle uncertainty, then get off the swing.

 

[Armoured]

If you can't handle uncertainty, then get off the swing.

I'm fine with uncertainty. But before invoking uncertainty, understand probability.

 

[SkyWriting]

I'm fine with uncertainty. But before invoking uncertainty, understand probability.

The real topic?

 

[Armoured]

The real topic?

Cool. Now, where on that curve is the probable likelihood of evolutionary theory being correct?

 

[AV1611VET]

No he couldn't.

Yes, He could.

People would not have understood him,

You mean like these guys:

John 10:6 This parable spake Jesus unto them: but they understood not what things they were which he spake unto them.

Acts 7:25 For he supposed his brethren would have understood how that God by his hand would deliver them: but they understood not.

... and would have thought he was crazy.

Like His friends did?

Mark 3:21 And when his friends heard of it, they went out to lay hold on him: for they said, He is beside himself.

He would have lost all his credibility, and then no one would have paid any attention to the gospel.

You mean like here?

Mark 6:4 But Jesus said unto them, A prophet is not without honour, but in his own country, and among his own kin, and in his own house.
Mark 6:5 And he could there do no mighty work, save that he laid his hands upon a few sick folk, and healed them.

If He said that today, you'd think He would be addressing a shrewdness of modern scientists.

 

[AV1611VET]

Sorry but yours go all the way back to the dust of the earth as well.

Go one step further (if you can).

Luke 3:38 Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God.

 

[True Science]

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[True Science]

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[Armoured]

Science means more than just the modern day majority accepted method of science. Science means knowledge. I have enough justified reasons as per my empirical observation of the world around me and the use of logic and reason philosophically to trust in the Creator and what his Holy Scriptures say, and doubt the competence and genuineness of most of the major scientific scholarly community, even if I am not highly educated in all they say and do, and perfectly understand all they say and do. I trust myself, my own God-given mind and its abilities to discern these things better than I trust those deceive under the system and its agendas. There is no doubt the system is run by Satanists and there is no doubt that most people in the world truly hate Jesus, even religious Christians.

DRB:

Pro_30:3 I have not learned wisdom, and have not known the science of saints.
Dan_1:4 Children in whom there was no blemish, well favoured, and skilful in all wisdom, acute in knowledge, and instructed in science, and such as might stand in the king's palace, that he might teach them the learning, and tongue of the Chaldeans.
Sir_17:6 He created in them the science of the spirit, he fired their heart with wisdom, and shewed them both good and evil.

KJV:

1Ti_6:20 O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called:

You don't get to make up your own definitions of words.

 

[True Science]

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[Armoured]

It is not my definition. This word existed long ago already in old english and means knowledge. That is why when we say God is all-knowing we call it omniscience.

Ah, so debate by dictionary. Same thing.

 

[True Science]

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[True Science]

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[Armoured]

I follow what I know by pure knowing it. Not what others "know" according to their man-made systematic box of rules for "knowing."

Good luck with that.

 

[True Science]

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[Loudmouth]

Evolution is a process we can test and is not religious
until we apply the concept to untestable past events.

Past events are testable. We can form testable hypotheses about the past and test those hypotheses with evidence found in the present.

 

[bhsmte]

If you can't handle uncertainty, then get off the swing.

You rely on this science that can't prove anything in a multitude of ways, every day of your life.

Does that bother you?