Evolution and the myth of "scientific consensus"

[Davian]

No, I'm not going to entertain your evasive 'define this/define that' behavior.

How can I answer a question when I am not sure about how you are using certain words?

 

[Smidlee]

I have no way to prove what you consider to be an illusion or not. That's for you to decide.

That's right. If a person wants to assume the universe is an illusion it's impossible to prove to that person that it's real. Anyone who wants to assume design in nature, including his own body, is an illusion it's impossible to prove to them that design is real.

 

[HitchSlap]

It's what Dawkins considers to be an illusion of design....with no supporting evidence for that conclusion.

You've never read Dawkins, you wouldn't know.

 

[justlookinla]

No one has been able to show design in the human body.

No one has been able to show illusion of design in the human body..

 

[justlookinla]

You've never read Dawkins, you wouldn't know.

I'm familiar with Dawkins' quote.

 

[HitchSlap]

That's right. If a person wants to assume the universe is an illusion it's impossible to prove to that person that it's real. Anyone who wants to assume design in nature including his own body is an illusion it's impossible to prove to them that design is real.

It's more likely to prove a negative than you providing evidence for design.

 

[Smidlee]

How does one prove a negative?

This is not proven a negative as illusion can easily to shown not to be real.

 

[Davian]

It's not a negative. Dawkins claims that design in the human body is an illusion. That's a positive claim with no evidence.

It is not positive, but it certainly does not lack for evidence. Just look to your own posts. Nothing you have ever posted shows otherwise. Are you going to argue with that? Your own posts?

 

[justlookinla]

It is not positive, but it certainly does not lack for evidence. Just look to your own posts. Nothing you have ever posted shows otherwise. Are you going to argue with that? Your own posts?

Of course it's a positive claim. Thing is, neither Dawkins or you (nor anyone else) has offered evidence for the positive claim that design in the human body is an illusion.

 

[Davian]

This is not proven a negative as illusion can easily to shown not to be real.

You do it then. Show that this "design" that you see in nature is actual, and not just appearance.

If you cannot, I will accept that it is only illusion. I don't see it myself.

 

[Davian]

Of course it's a positive claim. Thing is, neither Dawkins or you (nor anyone else) has offered evidence for the positive claim that design in the human body is an illusion.

But you have.

 

[justlookinla]

You do it then. Show that this "design" that you see in nature is actual, and not just appearance.

If you cannot, I will accept that it is only illusion. I don't see it myself.

Show that design in the human body is an illusion. If you cannot, I will accept that design in the human body is not an illusion.

 

[HitchSlap]

I'm familiar with Dawkins' quote.

I don't think so. You're familiar with Once's rendition, and really have no idea what Dawkins book is about.
You should stick to trying to describe design in the body.

 

[justlookinla]

But you have.

Post number where I've offered evidence that design in the human body is an illusion?

 

[Smidlee]

You do it then. Show that this "design" that you see in nature is actual, and not just appearance.

If you cannot, I will accept that it is only illusion. I don't see it myself.

Again if you want to believe the universe is an illusion it's impossible to prove it's real. People don't normal go around thinking the whole universe only exist in their mind. Design in nature is a fact just like the sun shines.

 

[HitchSlap]

Show that design in the human body is an illusion. If you cannot, I will accept that design in the human body is not an illusion.

I will accept you cannot demonstrate design in the human body.

 

[justlookinla]

I don't think so. You're familiar with Once's rendition, and really have no idea what Dawkins book is about.
You should stick to trying to describe design in the body.

Was it a misquote?

 

[justlookinla]

I will accept you cannot demonstrate design in the human body.

I will accept that you cannot demonstrate that design in the human body is an illusion.

 

[HitchSlap]

Again if you want to believe the universe is an illusion it's impossible to prove it's real. People don't normal go around thinking the whole universe only exist in their mind. Design in nature is a fact just like the sun shines.

Nor the moon made of cheese.

 

[justlookinla]

Nor the moon made of cheese.

And rocks and rivers?