Evolution and the myth of "scientific consensus"

[Oncedeceived]

Because I know.

Great can you give me the source for your knowledge?

 

[Oncedeceived]

Are you referring to the visual appearance of these systems? yes or no?

No Loudmouth, I am talking about the function and workings of the systems.

 

[Loudmouth]

No Loudmouth, I am talking about the function and workings of the systems.

So talk about them. What about them? What makes them designed?

 

[Jan Volkes]

No, there is a blend. The physical world was created by the supernatural. We can discover and gain knowledge about the natural world and in that world we can see that supernatural hand in it, not always but certainly in life forms and the universe's laws and parameters.

How do you know the physical world was created by the supernatural, who told you and how did they find out?

 

[Oncedeceived]

How do you know the physical world was created by the supernatural, who told you and how did they find out?

God and the Bible. You asked for my personal story and that is it. Here however, we try to stay within the scientific areas of discussion.

 

[RickG]

Great can you give me the source for your knowledge?

Read my response to AV in post # 1310. That is what my comment applies to

 

[Oncedeceived]

So talk about them. What about them? What makes them designed?

They have the signature of design in the the assembly line features, factory like features, complex functionality that works in the main system as well as the whole organism. Are you denying that life forms appear designed?

 

[Oncedeceived]

Read my response to AV in post # 1310. That is what my comment applies to

Your post #1310
Like I said, made up stuff to support a literal interpretation.

That is opinion. You said you knew, where did that knowledge come from?

 

[RickG]

Your post #1310
Like I said, made up stuff to support a literal interpretation.

That is opinion. You said you knew, where did that knowledge come from?

You know different?

 

[Loudmouth]

They have the signature of design in the the assembly line features, factory like features, complex functionality that works in the main system as well as the whole organism.

How are they factory like features? We have small creeks that flow into larger streams that flow into large rivers. Is that factory like because one leads to another, and serves the same function as human irrigation systems?

Are you denying that life forms appear designed?

Are you denying that it is just an illusion?

 

[Oncedeceived]

You know different?

I said I didn't you said you did.

 

[Jan Volkes]

God and the Bible. You asked for my personal story and that is it. Here however, we try to stay within the scientific areas of discussion.

How can we do that when creation isn't scientific? what can we discuss about creationism in regards to science?
there is nothing to discuss, the creation in the bible is just a story and science deals with reality.

 

[crjmurray]

They have the signature of design in the the assembly line features, factory like features, complex functionality that works in the main system as well as the whole organism. Are you denying that life forms appear designed?

This is not evidence of design. This is the justlookinla tactic of applying terms we generally use for artificial constructs to natural processes. We're asking for actual evidence.

 

[Oncedeceived]

How are they factory like features? We have small creeks that flow into larger streams that flow into large rivers. Is that factory like because one leads to another, and serves the same function as human irrigation systems?

Its on the video.

Are you denying that it is just an illusion?

A question with a question...double standard? Do you deny there is an appearance of design in life forms? Yes or No?

 

[Oncedeceived]

This is not evidence of design. This is the justlookinla tactic of applying terms we generally use for artificial constructs to natural processes. We're asking for actual evidence.

Do you deny that there is an appearance of design in living forms?

 

[Loudmouth]

Its on the video.

I am having a discussion with you, not a video.

A question with a question...double standard? Do you deny there is an appearance of design in life forms? Yes or No?

I don't deny that the appearance of design is an illusion, just like the duck in the cloud, and just like the experts have been telling you.

Where is the evidence for actual design?

 

[Oncedeceived]

I am having a discussion with you, not a video.



I don't deny that the appearance of design is an illusion, just like the duck in the cloud, and just like the experts have been telling you.

Where is the evidence for actual design?

Do you deny there is an appearance of design in life forms? Yes or no?

 

[crjmurray]

Do you deny that there is an appearance of design in living forms?

Yes I deny it because I don't see any design. Appearance is subjective anyway. Hence the request for actual objective evidence.

 

[Oncedeceived]

Yes I deny it because I don't see any design. Appearance is subjective anyway. Hence the request for actual objective evidence.

What evidence do you think Design would leave?

 

[The Cadet]

There is no purpose. It is a disease. Just like every other disease.

...So what's the "purpose" of the molecular machines in our cells?

Yes I have. The design is there for all to see, no one disputes it. They just call it an illusion. Where is the evidence of this illusion? I am off to bed. Goodnight.

The problem is that it's trivial to claim that anything is designed. That something looks designed. Anyone can say that about basically anything. But just saying "it looks designed" is not an answer to the question of "how do you know it was designed". Whether or not something looks designed is entirely subjective. In the past, people have claimed the craters on the moon "looked" designed, and some people to this day would claim that there's a face on Mars which clearly is designed (although they are left to hypothesize as to its purpose). Simply claiming that something appears designed does not get us anywhere. Particularly when we have naturalistic mechanisms that do a pretty good job of explaining how this illusion occurred.