Evolution and the myth of "scientific consensus"

[RickG]

Yes.

The "heaven" underneath the water is the atmosphere, and the "heaven" over the water is outer space.

First and Second Heaven.

So you have to go non-literal to support the literal. Why am I not surprised.

 

[AV1611VET]

So you have to go non-literal to support the literal. Why am I not surprised.

What???

First Heaven or First Firmament = the atmosphere = 0-62 miles up
Second Heaven or Second Firmament = 62 miles-edge of universe
Third Heaven or Third Firmament = Heaven proper

 

[Jan Volkes]

Repeat the mantra. However, I am talking about the cell that was able to reproduce and evolve.

Forgive me but I really don't understand, you talk about cells and other things that are based in reality but insist that the answers to all the physical questions must be supernatural, why?

 

[Oncedeceived]

And how do you describe the workings, by their visual appearance? I believe you used "gears of a clock" before, did you not?

No, not me. This is what I am talking about:

 

[Loudmouth]

No, not me. This is what I am talking about:

So you want me to look at their visual appearance?

 

[Oncedeceived]

Again, I'm referring to what your are saying, not biologists.


Heavens and earth are the universe? Let's look at Genesis 1:1 and 7-8.

1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.
8 And God called the firmament Heaven.

So heaven is between two layers of water?

Take a look at this:
http://news.discovery.com/space/in-the-beginning-the-universe-was-a-liquid.htm

 

[Oncedeceived]

Forgive me but I really don't understand, you talk about cells and other things that are based in reality but insist that the answers to all the physical questions must be supernatural, why?

No, there is a blend. The physical world was created by the supernatural. We can discover and gain knowledge about the natural world and in that world we can see that supernatural hand in it, not always but certainly in life forms and the universe's laws and parameters.

 

[Oncedeceived]

So you want me to look at their visual appearance?

So do you see a duck in there anywhere Loudmouth...

 

[Loudmouth]

So do you see a duck in there anywhere Loudmouth...

Are you asking me to look at the visual appearance of those structures? Yes or no?

 

[RickG]

What???

First Heaven or First Firmament = the atmosphere = 0-62 miles up
Second Heaven or Second Firmament = 62 miles-edge of universe
Third Heaven or Third Firmament = Heaven proper

Like I said, made up stuff to support a literal interpretation.

 

[RickG]

Take a look at this:
http://news.discovery.com/space/in-the-beginning-the-universe-was-a-liquid.htm

That doesn't fit the Genesis description if you are trying to make that waters above and waters below.

 

[AV1611VET]

Like I said, made up stuff to support a literal interpretation.

As long as you understand that Biblical passage you quoted, I feel I've done my job.

You certainly don't have to agree with it, but as long as you understand it, that's fine.

 

[RickG]

As long as you understand that Biblical passage you quoted, I feel I've done my job.

You certainly don't have to agree with it, but as long as you understand it, that's fine.

I understand it quite well, an extremely non literal story.

 

[AV1611VET]

I understand it quite well, an extremely non literal story.

So you agree with it then, since evolutionists take Genesis 1 as an allegory?

 

[Oncedeceived]

So do you see a duck in there anywhere Loudmouth...

I am wanting you to comprehend the functions and systems presented. If that is too hard for you to do without reducing it to how you acquire that knowledge I have no clue how you will ever understand.

 

[Oncedeceived]

That doesn't fit the Genesis description if you are trying to make that waters above and waters below.

How do you know? I don't, but I do know that for hundreds of years scientists claimed that Genesis was incorrect because no liquid would be possible due to the high temps when the universe came into being. Well at least those that thought the universe came into being.

 

[RickG]

So you agree with it then, since evolutionists take Genesis 1 as an allegory?

I do not believe it to be inspired scripture because it contradicts the evidence we see and know. It's a made up story. Note my signature below.

 

[Loudmouth]

I am wanting you to comprehend the functions and systems presented. If that is too hard for you to do without reducing it to how you acquire that knowledge I have no clue how you will ever understand.

Are you referring to the visual appearance of these systems? yes or no?

 

[RickG]

How do you know? I don't, but I do know that for hundreds of years scientists claimed that Genesis was incorrect because no liquid would be possible due to the high temps when the universe came into being. Well at least those that thought the universe came into being.

Because I know.

 

[AV1611VET]

I do not believe it to be inspired scripture because it contradicts the evidence we see and know. It's a made up story. Note my signature below.

So you agree with it then, since evolutionists take Genesis 1 as an allegory?