Evil people

[JoshuaW]

Notwithstanding Hugo Chavez' comments about smelling sulfur after George Bush leaves the room, I don't consider Bush an evil man. I think he has been led to cause suffering by others flattering him and giving him simplistic explanations of complex issues.

True evil is caused by those who hold a dogmatic view and have the power to inflict that view on others. Hitler was evil. These days no one comes close to meeting the bar set by Hitler, but there is indeed evil in the world.

These people, in my opinion, have demonstrated the ability to cause suffering through the pursuit of their personal agenda. You may add to the list.

Dick Cheney
Paul Wolfowitz
Pat Robertson
Wayne LaPierre
Vladimir Putin
Ahmed Chalabi
Bill O'Reilly
Karl Rove

 

[crazyfingers]

My definition of evil can loosely be described as the intentional violation of the rights of others or to knowingly advocate for the violation of the rights of others.

Using that definition, certainly some of the actions taken by Bush would be characterized as evil.

However, the above refers to specific actions and intentions. It becomes far less clear when trying to describe a whole person who through his or her life may commit uncounted acts of evil as well as good at different severities. I'd say that Hitlers evil acts certainly overshadowed any good acts, if any, that he might have done.

With George Bush it becomes less clear whether his acts of evil have outweighed his acts of good. I'm inclined to suspect that they have but can't say for sure.

There are certainly others on your list that I think have behaved such that their acts of evil outweigh their acts of good.

 

[Billnew]

These people, in my opinion, have demonstrated the ability to cause suffering through the pursuit of their personal agenda. You may add to the list.

Dick Cheney
Paul Wolfowitz
Pat Robertson
Wayne LaPierre
Vladimir Putin
Ahmed Chalabi
Bill O'Reilly
Karl Rove

I understand Chaney and Rove, for the wars(Iraq& Afganistan)
Pat Robertson?
Wayne LaPierre, NRA vice president? Evil? standing up for the bill of rights is evil?
V Putin. Not the greatest leader for the new Russia,
but evil?
Chalabi(don't know him)
Wolfowitz? President of the world bank? (money control makes him evil.)
Bill O'reilly: He talks. Free speech makes him evil?

There is great evil in the world. Any leader of men that
allows and encourages their people to walk into groups of innocent people and blow them up, are evil.
Accepting or encouraging the killing of innocent people, is pure evil. Killing the forces that oppose you is war, killing civillians is evil.

Living the life of luxury on the backs of your people, while they barely scrape by, is evil.
Goverments that take a cut out of humanitarian aid in a disaster, is evil. ie: profiting from your peoples misery.

I don't beleive standing up for peoples rights, 1st and 2nd amendment, makes a person evil.

How about a short explanation of why you believe these people are evil.

Specific additions:
J.Jackson, profitting by promoting racist divides. While ignoring the problems in society that cause the problems. Jumping to the defence of people(racially) without knowing the facts. While all the time claiming to be a Christian.

Wow, to specifically think of people, not many come to mind.

 

[Guttermouth]

Level of influence really skews this. For example, on a local level in my city, there are those who I know will sacrifice others in pursuit of a personal agenda, but the effect of that is somewhat limited in that they don't have broad influence nationally or internationally. They may be as evil as a Karl Rove, but not have the position to make a major impact. But they are no less evil.

Anyway I would add Tom Delay, who proved himself to me by going to Saipan and promoting slave labor, forced prostitution and forced abortion. And in an American territory no less.

 

[JoshuaW]

Level of influence really skews this. For example, on a local level in my city, there are those who I know will sacrifice others in pursuit of a personal agenda, but the effect of that is somewhat limited in that they don't have broad influence nationally or internationally. They may be as evil as a Karl Rove, but not have the position to make a major impact. But they are no less evil.

Anyway I would add Tom Delay, who proved himself to me by going to Saipan and promoting slave labor, forced prostitution and forced abortion. And in an American territory no less.

good call on Delay Guttermouth.
Just a quick explanation on some that Bill asked about

Wayne LaPierre - his dogmatic refusal to allow the registration and regulation of weapons has contributed significantly to the number of homicides in the US

Pat Robertson - by deliberately shading his political beliefs with his position of respect as a minister, Robertson taints the spirit of Christianity. The "lawyers" ordained by him and employed by the justice department are actively dismantling the structure of the US Constitution.

Ahmed Chalabi - using his personal charisma and connections, this man convinced the Republican Administration that a war against Iraq would be easy and free of casualties. He did this purely for personal gain, which he continues to receive.

Paul Wolfowitz - lobbied hard for a war in Iraq on principal, as head of the World Bank he has cut off aid to developing countries without consultation. This aid, medical and food supplies, is crucial to the survival of millions.

Vladimir Putin - has political opponents and journalists murdered. What else has he done that we haven't heard about?

Bill O'Reilly - one of the worst of the bunch. Uses his pulpit, his size, and his arrogant assuredness to convince America of issues he knows to be false. Millions of people who don't actively seek the facts from the news believe they know the truth because they heard it from O'Reilly. Not only are they convinced of things that are lies, they parrot them with the same arrogant assuredness in which they received them from O'Reilly's mouth. O'Reilly has preached the righteousness of the war in Iraq, the advantage of a one party system, and the evil of a Democratic viewpoint.

 

[Guttermouth]

You know, if O'Reilly is on there, shouldn't Hannity and Limbaugh be on there.

Limbaugh specifically promotes false claims, cites false data, generates negative stereotypes, villifies large groups of people, all for monetary gain. His pompous self-righteousness and claims of moral superiority are counter balanced with illegal drug purchases and addiction, problems for which he promotes others be permanently imprisoned, while giving himself a pass.

Hannity is just one lying, hate-filled, death-promoting diatribe after another. All for cash.

Oh...and then there is Coulter...

 

[Billnew]

I kind of thought I knew Robertson but wanted to make sure.
Delay: Hadn't heard of the accusations, so can't comment.

Lapierre: The reverse could also be said, thousands of gun crimes vs millions of gun protection. But thats another debate.

Chalabi: never heard of him. no comment.

Not found of the world bank, so I will accept your view.
Putin probably is true, too. It was a transition time for Russia. No excuse but far beter then previous Russian leaders.

O'Reilly, Limbaugh, Hannity, Coulter: If talk can change people to do evil, then it is the people that are to blame.
While I don't agree with White supremists, they speak freely, and commit no crime by preaching thier hate.
Only thier actions are criminal.
So, I still support the Bil of Rights, specifically 1st and 2nd amendments, and do not think supporting of them as being evil.
You say they know they are speaking falsely, but opinion is not fact. I hope all here know truth can be twisted to form most oppinions. We each have our own perspective, and we relay experiences from that perspective. Sometimes it is outright slanting of the situation, but sometimes its just how they see it.

I must not listen to the same Hannity show you listen too. I have never heard Hannity being hate-filled or death promoting. Just a quesiton, Are Democratic Commentators Hate filled? Both have emotional spirit in talking about the other side. I guess hate speech(by both sides) by political people is another debate too.

 

[Kremlin Fried Chicken]

Funny how there's no one from the U.N. on that list.

Fancy that.

And no Democrats.

And no genocidal third world dictators with gaudy uniforms.

 

[BineyAnne]

To tell you the truth I don't think that we should label anyone as evil. Because that is in turn judging what they have done in order to give them that title. I don't agree with what some of these people have done. But I try my hardest to leave the judging up to God.

 

[Guttermouth]

I kind of thought I knew Robertson but wanted to make sure.
Delay: Hadn't heard of the accusations, so can't comment.

Lapierre: The reverse could also be said, thousands of gun crimes vs millions of gun protection. But thats another debate.

Chalabi: never heard of him. no comment.

Not found of the world bank, so I will accept your view.
Putin probably is true, too. It was a transition time for Russia. No excuse but far beter then previous Russian leaders.

O'Reilly, Limbaugh, Hannity, Coulter: If talk can change people to do evil, then it is the people that are to blame.
While I don't agree with White supremists, they speak freely, and commit no crime by preaching thier hate.
Only thier actions are criminal.
So, I still support the Bil of Rights, specifically 1st and 2nd amendments, and do not think supporting of them as being evil.
You say they know they are speaking falsely, but opinion is not fact. I hope all here know truth can be twisted to form most oppinions. We each have our own perspective, and we relay experiences from that perspective. Sometimes it is outright slanting of the situation, but sometimes its just how they see it.

I must not listen to the same Hannity show you listen too. I have never heard Hannity being hate-filled or death promoting. Just a quesiton, Are Democratic Commentators Hate filled? Both have emotional spirit in talking about the other side. I guess hate speech(by both sides) by political people is another debate too.

Um. What democratic commentator are you talking about? Can you give an example?

 

[Glaz]

Osama Bin Laden.

 

[JoshuaW]

Osama Bin Laden.

*smacks head* how could I have forgotten OBL?

 

[JoshuaW]

Funny how there's no one from the U.N. on that list.

Fancy that.

And no Democrats.

And no genocidal third world dictators with gaudy uniforms.

most third world dictators are merely crooked, as are Democrats like William Jefferson. The UN is merely ineffectual.

KFC, if you can name a truly evil Democrat, I will happily acknowledge it (please...not Hillary) Generally, the Democrats are just not good at doing evil.

 

[Harpuia]

most third world dictators are merely crooked, as are Democrats like William Jefferson. The UN is merely ineffectual.

KFC, if you can name a truly evil Democrat, I will happily acknowledge it (please...not Hillary) Generally, the Democrats are just not good at doing evil.

I personally find Sam Harris of FFRF (Freedom From Religion Foundation) to be at the least, fairly creepy.

 

[crazyfingers]

I think that it's pointless to talk about who is evil and is not evil without first talking about what evil is and how one goes from evil acts to calling a person evil.

I've described evil as the intentional violation of the rights of others or to knowingly advocate for the violation of the rights of others. While I suspect that that could be further refined, it generally works for me.

 

[Rosco]

most third world dictators are merely crooked, as are Democrats like William Jefferson. The UN is merely ineffectual.

William Jefferson or William Jefferson Clinton?

 

[JoshuaW]

I don't know what I was thinking. The embodiment of evil does not require an obvious villain, a Lex Luthor. Evil is the decision to follow your own moral code instead of the moral code accepted by humanity and endorsed by God.


When people die and suffering results from a dogmatic refusal to acknowledge the effect of your actions, you are committing evil. When that suffering and those deaths are considered the "price of doing business", that is evil.

Therefore George Bush not only is added to the list, he tops the list. Hugo was right. *sniff* (do you smell sulfur?)

 

[MachZer0]

I don't know what I was thinking. The embodiment of evil does not require an obvious villain, a Lex Luthor. Evil is the decision to follow your own moral code instead of the moral code accepted by humanity and endorsed by God.

Interesting. From my perspective, you're describing liberalism. Isn't it liberalsim that claims morality is relative?

 

[TheReasoner]

Interesting. From my perspective, you're describing liberalism. Isn't it liberalsim that claims morality is relative?

That is only your subjective view of liberalism.

JEsus could easilly be called a liberal of his day and age. But He was as Godly as it gets. Seeing as how he was - and is God...

But his moral code was not accepted by humanity at large at that time. And I dare say the moral code accepted by humanity today does not seem to be endorsed by God according to the bible I have read

 

[MachZer0]

That is only your subjective view of liberalism.

JEsus could easilly be called a liberal of his day and age. But He was as Godly as it gets. Seeing as how he was - and is God...

But his moral code was not accepted by humanity at large at that time. And I dare say the moral code accepted by humanity today does not seem to be endorsed by God according to the bible I have read

As his moral code is not accepted by most liberals today.