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Why Are Genocides Associated with Atheists and Evolutionists? Coincidence?

Discussion in 'Ethics & Morality' started by EDM1, Jan 12, 2019 at 3:23 AM.

  1. EDM1

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    Here is a partial list of Evolutionists and/or Atheist dictators behind some of the most brutal regimes in the past few centuries - in their own words:

    - Vladimir Lenin (1870 - 1924): Atheist and Evolutionist who renounced his belief in God after the death of his father and beloved brother; he said:
    1) "Atheism is a natural and inseparable part of Marxism..."
    2) "Darwin put an end to the belief that the animal and vegetable species bear no relation to one another, except by chance, and that they were created by God, and hence immutable."
    He established hundreds of concentration camps while ordering the execution of Christians, Jews, and Muslims throughout Russia; his regime was responsible for the deaths of 6 - 8 million people through execution, starvation and war.
    (ref: Volkogonov, D. (1994). Lenin: Life and Legacy.; Necrometrics.com)

    - Leon Trotsky (1879 - 1940): Self-proclaimed "irreconcilable Atheist" and Evolutionist who said:
    1) "We call our dialectic 'materialist', since its roots are neither in heaven nor in the depths of our “free will”, but in objective reality, in nature...There is place within this system for neither God nor Devil, nor immortal soul, nor eternal norms of laws and morals.";
    2) "Every educated person since Darwin has labeled themselves an “evolutionist”. But a real evolutionist must apply the idea of evolution to his own forms of thinking."
    3) "I shall die a proletarian revolutionist, a Marxist, a dialectical materialist, and, consequently, an irreconcilable atheist."
    4) "But whatever may be the circumstances of my death I shall die with unshaken faith in the communist future. This faith in man and in his future gives me even now such power of resistance as cannot be given by any religion."
    As a Bolshevik leader he masterminded the murder of hundreds of thousands of Russians through starvation and war during the Communist Russian Revolution.
    (ref: Trotsky, L., Trotsky's Testament, 1940)

    - Benito Mussolini (1883 - 1945): Atheist and Evolutionist who said:
    1) "The God of the theologians is the creation of their empty heads."
    2) "The history of the saints is mainly the history of insane people."
    3) "Religion is a species of mental disease. It has always had a pathological reaction on mankind."
    4) "When we claim 'God does not exist', we mean to deny by this declaration the personal God of theology, the God worshiped in various ways and divers modes by believers the world over... that God of absurd attributes who is an affront to human reason."
    5) "Science is now in the process of destroying religious dogma. The dogma of the divine creation is recognized as absurd."
    He was known for "daring God to strike him dead" on many public occasions; although he occasionally courted the Catholic church to gain political control, when he did gain control he persecuted both the Protestant and Catholic church by killing thousands of priests and clergy; responsible for 400 to 500 thousand deaths; he was executed by a firing squad while attempting to escape from Italy.
    (ref: Haught, J., 2000 Years of Disbelief: Famous People with the Courage to Doubt.; Mussolini, B.
    'Homme et la divinite/Bibliotheque Internationale de propagande rationaliste, Geneva)

    - Joseph Stalin (died 1953): Became an Atheist/Darwinist after reading Darwin's "Origin of Species", stating:
    1) "You know, they are fooling us. There is no God.”
    2) "'I'll lend you a book to read (Darwin). It will show you that the world and all living things are quite different from what you imagine, and all this talk about God is sheer nonsense...."
    He made atheism the official ideology of Russia and flooded the media and schools with atheistic propaganda; he crushed the Russian Orthodox Church, leveling thousands of churches and killing more than 100,000 priests, monks and nuns during the religious "purge" between 1937 and 1938 alone. Overall, his atheistic dictatorship killed 80 million people by starvation, execution, and war.
    (ref: E. Yaroslavsky, Landmarks in the Life of Stalin, 1940;

    - Margaret Sanger (died 1966): Atheist and Darwinist who said:
    1) "The most merciful thing that a large family does to one of its infant members is to kill it".
    Although she was never in power to be a dictator, she was an advocate of eugenics (Darwinist-based attempts to develop a superior race through selective breeding of humans), mandatory sterilizations of the "unfit", and infanticide; founder of Planned Parenthood - America's largest abortion provider responsible for the deaths of untold millions of preborn children.

    - Mao Zedong (died 1976): Atheist, with Darwin as his favorite author; he stated:
    1) "Religion is poison."
    2) “Atheism must take the place of belief in a God.”
    3) "Chinese socialism is founded upon Darwin and the theory of evolution."
    Although he used the terms "gods" and "goddess" in his colorful poems, he made atheism the official ideology of China and flooded the media and schools with atheistic propaganda; lived an opulent lifestyle while the common people starved; his regime caused the deaths of 40 to 80 million people by starvation, torture, and executions.
    (ref: M. Zedong, M. Kau, and J. Leung, The Writings of Mao Zedong, 1976; The Poems of Mao Tse-tung, Harper & Row).

    - Karl Marx (1818 - 1883): Atheist who famously said:
    1) "Man makes religion, religion does not make man"
    2) "It (religion) is the opium of the people".
    Evolutionist who enthusiastically called Darwin’s "Origin of Species" as "This is the book which contains the basis in natural history for our views.”
    Although not a dictator himself, his writings and ideologies were used by many dictators to murder tens of millions. In Russia alone, 20 million Christians were killed by dictators who used his writings. (International Socialist Review, Issue #65; Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels, Selected Correspondence 1846–1895)

    - Friedrich Nietzsche (1844-1900): Atheist who said: "God is dead. God remains dead. And we have killed him."; and "...a theologian, a priest, a pope of today not only errs when he speaks, but actually lies—and that he no longer escapes blame for his lie through “innocence” or “ignorance.” The priest knows, as every one knows, that there is no longer any God." Evolutionist although he disagreed with certain minor points of Darwin's theory; his written work was the ideology behind Nazism which murdered millions; he was permanently placed in an psychiatric asylum after suffering a breakdown. ( The AntiChrist, F. Nietzsche, 1888)

    - Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945): Evolutionist; although he courted the Catholic church for his political gain, he was very anti-Christian and said:
    1) "Our epoch will certainly see the end of the disease of Christianity.”
    2) “Christianity is the worst of the regressions that mankind can ever have undergone...”
    3) “The heaviest blow that ever struck humanity was the coming of Christianity.”
    4) Joseph Goebbels, Hitler’s minister of propaganda, noted in his diary in 1939: "The Fuehrer is deeply religious, but deeply anti-Christian. He regards Christianity as a symptom of decay. Rightly so. It is a branch of the Jewish race."
    5) Martin Bormann, Hitler's secretary and right hand man, publicly stated in 1941, "National Socialism and Christianity are irreconcilable."
    Hitler publicly and repeatedly invoked the name of God as a ruse to justify his brutal military and political actions; he applied Darwin's theory of evolution and "survival of the fittest" while attempting to develop a biologically superior race through ethnic cleansing; showed no regard for accountability to a higher power by killing 11 to 14 million people through starvation, execution, and war; committed suicide to avoid capture at the end of World War 2.

    - Pol Pot (died 1998): Evolutionist who, as leader of the deadly Khmer Rouge, adopted Mao's Darwinist philosophies; known for his "Cambodian killing fields"; closed all religious institutions including Buddhist temples but especially persecuted Christians and Muslims; responsible for 1 to 3 million executions, mostly using axes, hammers, and sharpened bamboo sticks to save ammunition.

    - Jim Jones (died 1978): Atheist who said:
    1) "Off the record, I don’t believe in any loving God. Our people, I would say, are ninety percent atheist."
    2) "I felt somewhat hypocritical for the last years as I became an atheist."
    3) "You feel tainted, by being in the church situation. But of course, everyone knows where I’m at. My bishop knows that I’m an atheist...He must have spent twenty thousand dollars traveling around, hoping to get my denomination to remove me, because I was so atheistic.”
    He was responsible for the 1978 mass murder/suicide of 908 members of the People's Temple cult in Guyana; he personally ordered the executions of several members of the visiting press and a U.S. Congressman.
    (ref: The Jonestown Institute audiotape, 1976).


    The response from atheists is that these dictators were motivated by communism and not by atheism or Darwinism. In other words, its only a coincidence that almost all of the genocidal dictators of the 20th Century - basically a 'Who's Who' List of dictators were all evolutionists and/or atheists.

    In addition, since the dictator could not have done the millions of killings himself, he had to employ thousands who shared his values and philosophies to help him. Interestingly, the case of serial killer Jeffrey Dahmer (who was an atheist and evolutionist) may shed some light on these questions about the motivation behind their deeds:

    Jeffrey Dahmer (1960 - 1994), Atheist/Evolutionist and serial killer, who said:
    1) "If a person doesn’t think there is a God to be accountable to, then—then what's the point of trying to modify your behavior to keep it within acceptable ranges? That's how I thought anyway.
    I always believed the theory of evolution as truth, that we all just came from the slime. When we, when we died, you know, that was it, there is nothing. So the whole theory (evolution) cheapens life."
    (ref: Stone Phillips Interview with Jeffrey Dahmer, Dateline NBC, February 1994).

    Amazingly, Jeffrey Dahmer converted to Christianity in prison with the help of his father (who himself became a Christian and creationist later in his own life). Dahmer was later murdered in prison. However, he went to Heaven by the grace of God - stories don't end any better than that! If God can save a serial killer, He can save anyone! Thank You Lord for your mercy on him!
     
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  2. Pioneer3mm

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    Interesting topic/thread...
     
  3. Ken-1122

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    So you post the ramblings of a bunch of morally inept evil men who claim to be Atheist; as if this is typical of atheist. What's your point?
    How about if I post the ramblings of a bunch of morally inept evil men who claim to be Christians, as if it is typical of Christians? Would you consider that fair?
     
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  4. Sanoy

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    Xi Jinpin...oops I'm too early.
     
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  5. Eight Foot Manchild

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    Atheism is not a worldview or political philosophy. "Evolutionism" isn't even a word, outside the imaginary realm of creationist propaganda.

    So you're not making any point against atheism when you invoke this tired old tactic. You're making a point against authoritarian, totalitarian and dogmatic thinking. Which I am opposed to no matter how it manifests - in political philosophy or in religion.

    Which is all to say nothing of the fact that a bunch of the people you named weren't atheist. Not that it would help your case anyway.
     
  6. YeshuaFan

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    That would be due to the truth that those regimes, especially Nazi Germany, were practicing survival of the fittest, as the elites were purging out what they saw as inferiors types, and since no God by their understanding, , no moral reason they were doing anything wrong!
     
  7. Eight Foot Manchild

    Eight Foot Manchild His Supreme Holy Correctfulness

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    Also, there is nothing 'amazing' about Jeffrey Dahmer becoming a Christian. Garbage people become religious converts all the time, often in prison. It's an easy way to feel good about themselves, by imagining they've made right with the creator of the universe, rather than living with the guilt of what they've done.
     
  8. Eudaimonist

    Eudaimonist I believe in life before death!

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    If you stare into an inkblot long enough, the inkblot stares back into you.


    eudaimonia,

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  9. essentialsaltes

    essentialsaltes Stranger in a Strange Land

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    They all rejected a flat earth, too. Makes you think.
     
  10. Kaon

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    We tend to pick which atrocities to focus on.

    For example, Christianity has a bloody history - between the 5th century up to the point of modern imperialism, genocide of native populations and slavery (the type which directly killed several millions of people).

    The theory of evolution psychologically excuses our carnal behavior; if people understood they were created and formed by the Most High God Himself, they would feel a responsibility to be like Him. If you think you are just the next iteration in genetic preservation, then one could make an argument for any action as a justification of self-preservation.

    The problem is humans, and our carnality. A murder is only worse than a lie to entities that have ephemeral lifespans and comparative myopia. It is all bad, and leads to destruction even if we aren't around to witness it.
     
  11. durangodawood

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    So.... what was Lenin's genocide?
     
  12. ranunculus

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    The 50 million Lutherans, Catholics and Protestants that made up Germany 80 years ago, were they all atheists too?
     
  13. zephcom

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    I call your bluff and raise with the history of the Holy Roman Catholic Church from its creation in the Fourth Century AD to the present.
     
  14. YeshuaFan

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    What is amazing grace is that the Lord would be able and willing to save a sinner such as Him even!
     
  15. Eight Foot Manchild

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    Yes. So amazing that a rapist, torturer, murderer and cannibal can go to an eternity in paradise, just by believing in Yahweh. Meanwhile, any victims he raped, tortured, murdered and ate, who weren't right with Yahweh, are all burning hell forever - which is all of them, if you hold that homosexuality is a sin. How nice.
     
  16. Freodin

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    See, there is a small problem. The Theory of Evolution does NOT psychologically excuse our "carnal behavior". In the same way as Christianity does not excuse our "carnal behavior".
    It is always people who do not understand the system, and use their faulty understanding as an excuse. And, of course, we have the people who do not understand the system and use their faulty understanding to attack those they disagree with.

    The alternative to being a carnal human with problems is not being human.
     
  17. Kaon

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    In context, nothing is responsible for anything except uniqueness of vessel and circumstance - namely carnal humans. Evolution theory is not the licence to excuse our psychology, it is the very mechanism itself. We justify our lives by inherently contextualizing evolution with respect to our unique life.

    We don't realize we are carnal, and need help - but we do latch on to theories that best compliment our carnality. Evolution allows for this psychology of genetics and circumstance thrive within the carnal entity such that s/he feels comfortable living his or her ephemeral life.

    Nothing spiritual about evolution, which shouldn't matter. But, people don't realize (or forgot) that they are not only carnal entities, and that this codex for humans keeps humans carnal. It's a great theory to entertain, however.

    That people don't understand evolution is separate from others' inability to advance beyond carnality, and
    /or using that carnality to exploits the precepts of a relatively new theory. The entire thing is psychological, just like flat earth (BOTH sides participate in the psychological operation of flat earth.)

    The alternate to being a carnal human is to be a human like your Father created you to be. You can't be this if you don't know your Father, which is why YOLO is acceptable to so many people. People barely want to put in the work to find a father they think abandoned them on this REALM, it is psychologically understandable why people would rather be carnal - especially if one thinks the alternative is to not be. That's the trap the enemy employs - one of them.

    The entire world has been misled as to what a human is - to keep our minds degenerate. You can be erudite, and completely dead inside because of the effects of the psychological assault you never see, realize or believe. Everything around you is to keep your mind imprisoned, lest you realize a kernel of truth about the beast system so love by the world, or a kernel of the love the Most High God has for us is realized.
     
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  18. Freodin

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    Whatever you say. If you want to believe that, you are free to do so. If you think you should be a "human like your father created you to be"... whatever that is to mean... strive to do that.

    The problem with your approach here is not your attempt to tell others what they should be - that is a very human concept - but your attempt to tell them what they should not be... even if they are.
     
  19. Kaon

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    Yes, that is usually a problem for people that believe they are in control of their own destiny, who believe they create their own heaven and hell with their own might. This is why people with control issues vehemently fight against certain and obvious death with outbursts of the psyche. When carnality meets inevitability, you get the usual psychological degeneracy (anger, confusion, disdain, projection, etc.)

    However, every human is responsible for his or her trajectory in their life. I cannot tell anyone what they should, or should not be - that is up to the individual. Even if I make a command, it is up to the individual to follow my command - since I declare openly that I am not (their/ the Most High) God.

    Humans do what other humans tell them to do all of the time - out of cultural, social, peer or economic pressure; that is part of the problem.
     
  20. Nithavela

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    Did you know that Hitler liked dogs?

    Makes you think.
     
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