Eternal Companions in Heaven

[sampa]

Who here believes the possibility that everyone will receive an eternal companion once we are in Heaven? I've been researching this of late, and there is much debate about it. I don't think anyone really has the knowledge of what Heaven will be like, so it might be interesting to talk about it. I think as a single person, it sounds wonderful, if it is true, and I think a lot of arguments for it, are very sound that there could be companionship between two souls, and that new companionships can form if someone didn't get to experience it on Earth, but on the New Earth and Heaven.

What do you think?

Scripture seems pretty clear that we will not be married in heaven. From what I gather, we will be too busy worshiping and in the new body on the New Earth, there won't be a need. We will be in fellowship with the Father. It's not something that the human mind can comprehend since we are only made in His image. If this is difficult to understand for anyone, I think the best thing to do is to pray and to search and dig in his Word. As you search prayerfully the Lord will reveal himself.

 

[Jamdoc]

Scripture seems pretty clear that we will not be married in heaven. From what I gather we will be too busy worshiping and in the new body in New Earth, there won't be a need. We will be in fellowship with the Father. It's not something that the human mind can comprehend since we are only made in His image. If this is difficult to understand for anyone I think the best thing to do is to pray and to search and dig in his Word. As you search prayerfully the Lord will reveal himself.

They were in fellowship with the Father in Eden too.
people forget that.

 

[sampa]

They were in fellowship with the Father in Eden too.
people forget that.

Ahh, yes, good point. Even I forgot that one.

 

[Jamdoc]

Ahh, yes, good point. Even I forgot that one.

and that is part of my pain.
it's a nice image
a man and wife together in a garden, walking with God in the cool of the evening.

vs
a place where there are no wives, and there is no evening.

People often think well in heaven and the new earth you'll have fellowship with God, so, it's better.

and I compare to Eden rather than to this current cursed world.

 

[sampa]

and that is part of my pain.
it's a nice image
a man and wife together in a garden, walking with God in the cool of the evening.

vs
a place where there are no wives, and there is no evening.

People often think well in heaven and the new earth you'll have fellowship with God, so, it's better.

and I compare to Eden rather than to this current cursed world.

Yes, and every tear will be wiped away.

 

[Jamdoc]

Yes, and every tear will be wiped away.

That is part of the problem.. most of the descriptions are what ISN'T there rather than what IS there and with the exception of Jesus, the 'what IS there" is underwhelming. I don't care about crowns, streets of gold or precious stones and thrones.
There being no sea actually sounds pretty bad to me, and there being no night, also sounds pretty bad.

but I guess everyone else wants a sealess, high noon all the time eternity and I'm odd one out who just has to deal with it.

 

[sampa]

That is part of the problem.. most of the descriptions are what ISN'T there rather than what IS there and with the exception of Jesus, the 'what IS there" is underwhelming. I don't care about crowns, streets of gold or precious stones and thrones.
There being no sea actually sounds pretty bad to me, and there being no night, also sounds pretty bad.

but I guess everyone else wants a sealess, high noon all the time eternity and I'm odd one out who just has to deal with it.

Sea could possibly equal storm. Night could possibly equal darkness. We will have total rest and rejuvenation and no need for the night. Think of all the vitamin d and happy cells that allows in the new world. Really I think it's hard to comprehend because we aren't in the new body. The new body will ultimately enjoy everything that is there and we will see a clearer picture of what is needed or necessary.

 

[Jamdoc]

Sea could possibly equal storm. Night could possibly equal darkness. We will have total rest and rejuvenation and no need for the night. Think of all the vitamin d and happy cells that allows in the new world. Really I think it's hard to comprehend because we aren't in the new body. The new body will ultimately enjoy everything that is there and we will see a clearer picture of what is needed or necessary.

I like the night, the light is gentler, not harsh or hot, and you can see so far out, and a lot of things like meteor showers and aurora (which I've never seen in person but always wanted to), subtle things that you can only see at night and out in the country where there's less light pollution.

it's also cooler and more comfortable in the evenings.

But you won't be able to see any of that when Jesus' face is like the sun shining as described in Revelation 1.
a blinding light that drowns out everything else.

 

[IntriKate]

I don't think we will have a need for a companion in heaven, we will all be a family and Jesus will be completing us. Our bodies also won't have the same needs and urges in heaven as they do here.

 

[sampa]

I like the night, the light is gentler, not harsh or hot, and you can see so far out, and a lot of things like meteor showers and aurora (which I've never seen in person but always wanted to), subtle things that you can only see at night and out in the country where there's less light pollution.

it's also cooler and more comfortable in the evenings.

But you won't be able to see any of that when Jesus' face is like the sun shining as described in Revelation 1.
a blinding light that drowns out everything else.

I get it. I have coworkers like that in the morning that don't like all the lights on. I'm the one that comes in and turns them all on. I have sensitive eyes because of having light colored eyes, so I always have to have sunglasses. But I think the glory of the Lord we will all just love it and forget the night, if that makes any sense. Yes! I so appreciate God's creation with the stars of the night. There are so many beautiful things, for example the nebula. And it's one of the reasons I like camping.

 

[pc_76]

Scripture seems pretty clear that we will not be married in heaven. From what I gather, we will be too busy worshiping and in the new body on the New Earth, there won't be a need. We will be in fellowship with the Father. It's not something that the human mind can comprehend since we are only made in His image. If this is difficult to understand for anyone, I think the best thing to do is to pray and to search and dig in his Word. As you search prayerfully the Lord will reveal himself.

Lord forgive me, but I don't want to be an absolute perfect being in an absolute perfect world. I wish to re-live history that happened on this planet.

But of course, I'll still get stock replies like "but in Heaven you will be with God" or "God works in mysterious ways".

You said that we can't comprehend stuff now because we are made in God's image. Okay, then why didn't God create us in his own kingdom from the get-go so we weren't going to live in this earth and effectively getting "teased" with all this stuff that we love but will be somehow absent from Heaven? This feels cruel.

 

[pc_76]

That is part of the problem.. most of the descriptions are what ISN'T there rather than what IS there and with the exception of Jesus, the 'what IS there" is underwhelming. I don't care about crowns, streets of gold or precious stones and thrones.
There being no sea actually sounds pretty bad to me, and there being no night, also sounds pretty bad.

but I guess everyone else wants a sealess, high noon all the time eternity and I'm odd one out who just has to deal with it.

I don't get that either?
Why doesn't God give the sea any love?

 

[pc_76]

Sea could possibly equal storm. Night could possibly equal darkness. We will have total rest and rejuvenation and no need for the night. Think of all the vitamin d and happy cells that allows in the new world. Really I think it's hard to comprehend because we aren't in the new body. The new body will ultimately enjoy everything that is there and we will see a clearer picture of what is needed or necessary.

The other thing, if I can't comprehend anything about something that is coming, then what is the point? It reminds me of the popular meme today "You'll own nothing and be happy", people here especially conservative Christians would say that is dystopian and repulsive. But somehow they find this idea of Heaven appealing. Guess it is only dystopian when man does it.

 

[Jamdoc]

The other thing, if I can't comprehend anything about something that is coming, then what is the point? It reminds me of the popular meme today "You'll own nothing and be happy", people here especially conservative Christians would say that is dystopian and repulsive. But somehow they find this idea of Heaven appealing. Guess it is only dystopian when man does it.

I've actually thought of it in the same terms
"You'll be single and celibate forever, and you'll be happy" with the same guy with his fake smile on.

 

[sampa]

Okay, then why didn't God create us in his own kingdom from the get-go so we weren't going to live in this earth and effectively getting "teased" with all this stuff that we love but will be somehow absent from Heaven? This feels cruel.

So the only thing that comes to mind with your question about why we couldn't have just been in heaven rather than created on Earth, -God created us and knows what's best for us.
-Satan chose rebellion against God before the world was created and also there are the fallen Angels. Some verses, Isaiah 14:12-14 and Ezekiel 28:12-18. On the Angels being created before the Earth job 38:4-7

-maybe the testing of our faith finalizes heaven and the new Earth? Completion does not happen without the testing? Just as gold has to be purified through a refiner's fire? (Think of a spoiled brat and how they act when they have never gone through any trials, maybe that's how Satan and the fallen Angels were, they had everything). These are just my thoughts and not scripture, for clarification.

-There will be a final fall that it talks about in Revelation, a war in heaven. We were made just a little bit lower than the angels for a reason. But after everything is finished, we will be higher, since we are made in his image.

I'm hoping I got this all right, anyone else care to chime in?

But somehow they find this idea of Heaven appealing. Guess it is only dystopian when man does it.

As mentioned earlier, continue spending time in his word and pray. Those that are born again have the Holy spirit, and the Holy Spirit can speak to you in ways that I cannot and others cannot.

Some other possible recommendations are the Dead Sea scrolls and the book of Enoch.

 

[pc_76]

So the only thing that comes to mind with your question about why we couldn't have just been in heaven rather than created on Earth, -God created us and knows what's best for us.
-Satan chose rebellion against God before the world was created and also there are the fallen Angels. Some verses, Isaiah 14:12-14 and Ezekiel 28:12-18. On the Angels being created before the Earth job 38:4-7

-maybe the testing of our faith finalizes heaven and the new Earth? Completion does not happen without the testing? Just as gold has to be purified through a refiner's fire? (Think of a spoiled brat and how they act when they have never gone through any trials, maybe that's how Satan and the fallen Angels were, they had everything). These are just my thoughts and not scripture, for clarification.

-There will be a final fall that it talks about in Revelation, a war in heaven. We were made just a little bit lower than the angels for a reason. But after everything is finished, we will be higher, since we are made in his image.

I'm hoping I got this all right, anyone else care to chime in?

As mentioned earlier, continue spending time in his word and pray. Those that are born again have the Holy spirit, and the Holy Spirit can speak to you in ways that I cannot and others cannot.

Some other possible recommendations are the Dead Sea scrolls and the book of Enoch.

I still pray every once in a while.
I know what you said, I heard it all before.
But it doesn't bring a logical solution to the issue I am dealing with.

 

[sampa]

I still pray every once in a while.
I know what you said, I heard it all before.
But it doesn't bring a logical solution to the issue I am dealing with.

It's just my thoughts. I just finished a women's Bible study on five chapters in The book of Exodus about the tabernacle. One thing that came out of our study is how God is about the details. There's so many intricate measurements and ways that he built the ark or gave instructions and the same with the Tabernacle which the Israelites had to carry with them and it was a portable space. It brought a point about how we are wonderfully and intricately made if you look at Psalms 139. And I think the details of our living on this Earth are also part of that intricate detail.
Your question, was a good question and I got me thinking, and I thought about the rebellion that happened in heaven. And Lucifer was once one of the highest angels, but even being in that position was not good enough. Just look at humans and the Tower of Babel and trying to reach heaven. So I kind of lean towards the refiner's fire and the purity of gold and how it affects our hearts when we go through trials and tribulations.

 

[Jamdoc]

It's just my thoughts. I just finished a women's Bible study on five chapters in The book of Exodus about the tabernacle. One thing that came out of our study is how God is about the details. There's so many intricate measurements and ways that he built the ark or gave instructions and the same with the Tabernacle which the Israelites had to carry with them and it was a portable space. It brought a point about how we are wonderfully and intricately made if you look at Psalms 139. And I think the details of our living on this Earth are also part of that intricate detail.
Your question, was a good question and I got me thinking, and I thought about the rebellion that happened in heaven. And Lucifer was once one of the highest angels, but even being in that position was not good enough. Just look at humans and the Tower of Babel and trying to reach heaven. So I kind of lean towards the refiner's fire and the purity of gold and how it affects our hearts when we go through trials and tribulations.

All the meticulous detail about the tabernacle, and even meticulous detail about the dimensions and what gaudy bling New Jerusalem is made out of, and yet so little detail about what life is actually going to be like aside from what WON'T be there.
Unless it really is just falling on our faces and singing hymns 24/7 there's very little to go off of. Just some things about building houses and planting vinyards and animals not predating each other anymore (which is actually yet another thing to be kind of bummed out about.. everyone going vegan, if you like steaks and burgers.. well.. sorry.. they're not going to be on the New Earth)

and the other thing that is very noteworthy is that Lucifer beheld God in all His glory.. and.. yet.. that wasn't enough he still had desires aside from staring at Jesus.
Too often people think hey all you're gonna want to do is see Jesus.

and I just think really? Adam walked with God and was still lonely, Angels rebelled against God despite beholding Him in all His glory, and by at least 1 interpretation of Genesis 6.. they chose human wives.

So yeah, I'm not convinced in the "stare at Jesus" eternity.

 

[pc_76]

Another issue with it is that it means that those who are not fortunate enough to have wanted it on earth but something happened that they didn't or because of other sin in this world, well, they basically have no recourse except for the very fuzzy kind of "recourse" that is simply staring at something in an unthinking awe for eternity.

 

[Jonathan Dahlin]

Does God really think it's best for people to not have eternal companions? If it's not good for man to be alone in the Garden of Eden (Genesis 2:18), it's not good for man to be alone in Heaven, or rather the Resurrection Life, either. No marriage or romance in heaven would mean that God is taking away part of his perfect creation, and that parts of his original plan failed and will not be restored?
What do you think of

(Is There Companionship In Heaven & Marriage On The New Earth?! by Prophets Among US)? The uploader calls himself Moses Ben David, and claims to have been Raphael before being born. Isn't Raphael also the name of a non-canonical angel in the Book of Tobit? I asked the so-called "Moses Ben David" if he is Mormon or a Latter-Day Saint (LDS), but he denies it.
Similar is the OffTheLeftEye video at

(How You Will Find Your Soul Mate After Death). Related is Didn’t Jesus Say There’s No Marriage in Heaven?, but proceed to that site with caution, because Lee Woofenden and Off The Left Eye are both fringe teachers of a Swedenborgian cult. They also counter popular Christian doctrines that are not taught in the Bible such as the Trinity of Persons and Sola Fide, but that's a good topic for another thread.
Thoughts