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Eschatological and Millennial Theories and their problems.

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We Christians will not and cannot be removed from this earth. Heaven is a place for Spirit beings and 'rapture to heaven' believers, of whatever timing; know this, so their answer to that is: we are 'changed' and made immortal at the moment of rapture. This ignores the plain scripture of Revelation 20:11-15, of how it is only at the Great White Throne Judgement, that immortality is conferred to those whose names are found in the Book of Life. The 'change at the twinkle of an eye', in Corinthians 15, is a prophecy about what happens at the GWT, AFTER the Millennium.

Re the word 'escape' in Luke 21:36. This is rendered as 'pass safely through' in the Revised English Bible.
Although 'escape' is one way of translating the Greek word there, it conflicts with the context of the immediately preceding verse 35, that says what will happen; 'will come upon everyone the whole world over'. The REB correctly renders Luke 21:34-36. Certainly, verse 36 does not even hint of a rapture to heaven; that has to be imposed onto the text.

Re Revelation 3:10. Being 'kept from', doesn't mean taken away from. The 3 men in the fiery furnace weren't taken out of it, they were protected in it. Noah went thru the Flood, people today face persecution; it’s simply illogical to even think that suddenly God will allow His people to 'escape, away from’, trials and testing, let alone take them all up to heaven before Judgement!

The other aspect of a 'rapture to heaven', is what does God really want of His people? We have the Great Commission. Matthew 28:19 When did, or when will, God rescind that?

So what will the Lord do for His faithful people?
Most will know that I point out how the Lord's holy people, that is: every faithful Christian, will be gathered into all of the holy Land, Psalm 107, Ezekiel 34:11-16, where they will be the people God always wanted in His Land, being His witnesses, Isaiah 43:10, John 15:27 and His Light to the nations. Isaiah 49:8, Matthew 5:14-15
The righteous will possess the holy land and will live there forever. Psalms 37:29

I have plenty of Biblical proofs of this. It is what will happen, any other belief is deception.
 
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As per typical you don't understand , you so often put the cart in front of the horse ,

2Th 1:7 and to give you who are troubled rest with us when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven with His mighty angels,
2Th 1:8 in flaming fire taking vengeance on those who do not know God, and on those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ.
2Th 1:9 These shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power,
2Th 1:10 when He comes, in that Day, to be glorified in His saints and to be admired among all those who believe, because our testimony among you was believed.

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2Th 1:7 and to give you who are troubled rest with us when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven with His mighty angels,
2Th 1:8 in flaming fire taking vengeance on those who do not know God, and on those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ.
2Th 1:9 These shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power,
2Th 1:10 when He comes, in that Day, to be glorified in His saints and to be admired among all those who believe, because our testimony among you was believed.

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As per typical you don't understand , you so often put the cart in front of the horse , cherry picking scriptures and ignoring any scripture that does not fit your preference
 
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As per typical you don't understand , you so often put the cart in front of the horse , cherry picking scriptures and ignoring any scripture that does not fit your preference

Luk_6:42 Either how canst thou say to thy brother, Brother, let me pull out the mote that is in thine eye, when thou thyself beholdest not the beam that is in thine own eye? Thou hypocrite, cast out first the beam out of thine own eye, and then shalt thou see clearly to pull out the mote that is in thy brother's eye.

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Even Tim LaHaye and John Walvoord admit in writing no direct biblical support for the pre-trib rapture exists. I posted direct quotes from their writings above in Post #291.

These are the pre-trib rapture heavy-weights. And they cannot provide direct links to scripture, so how can you?
I have never read anything by them, and I think Tim recently passed away. God via the Holy Spirit gives us clues, its up to us to understand and discern them. Only a person (in my opinion) full of pride who can't ever change an opinion, can read Rev. ch. 19, see the Marriage of the Church to the Lamb IN HEAVEN, then return with Jesus to defeat the Beast/Anti-Christ/his Armies ON EARTH, and then say there is mo Pre tribulation rapture.

The thing is, I give all the instruction needed, and instead of debating me point by point, you and others make a one line quip, so I can't take you serious on these things because you actually think you already know all the answers, even though when you get to heaven you are going to see you were teaching in error on these things brother. So keep that pride brother, don't bother to try and see what a brother of 30 years is laying down for you. I am sure Jesus was frustrated by the Pharisees, he tried to teach them, but they already knew everything about God and the law. Sometimes we have to check ourselves. I didn't start learning the deep secrets of God until I learned to be WRONG, that is a hard lesson to learn, but a needed one. Too many people can't be wrong, I have learned my understandings are mine, WHEN WE LEARN to swallow our pride, then and only then can we hear Gods CORRECTIONS !!

Secondly if you READ MY POSTS you wouldn't have wasted your time writing the above. Now go back and find out why the above post is a waste of both of our times. I specifically explained about the MYSTERY/SECRET Rapture and why it was thus, but you can't understand what you don't read. Its like a conversation with air. Then again, you already have all the answers don't you? Just like the Pharisees had all the answers, they likewise saw nowhere in the Scriptures how Jesus could have had a RELATIONSHIP with Abraham, when Jesus told them he was I AM THAT I AM, they freaked out, I bet they said that's not in scriptures no where. Where does it say a man named Jesus is I AM THAT I AM !! But he was, and it did reference Jesus/Yeshua in many places, they just couldn't understand Gods ways of delivering the message. Do you think maybe God actually gave us this Secret Rapture but maybe you just can't see it in like manner ? I see it.

As per their supposed standings, God is no respecter of men so I don't even get your point, I like most Christians look to God, NOT MEN. Its your assumption that we heed them, we heed the bible not men.
 
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Just as side note, Dave, the term 3 1/2 years is not found in bible prophecy. The 1260 days would be exactly half of the 7 years would be the closest thing. But the other two terms - 42 months and the time, times, half times are used because those don't equate to exactly 1260 days. I know mathematically they do. But not in way they are used in bible prophecy.
The calendar used via biblical times had 360 days, thus it fits....3 1/2 years is 1260 days and 42 months and a time, rimes and a half [time].

Okay, to the large number in Revelation 7. It reflects the scale of death that will take place in the great tribulation. Jesus said if those days were not shortened (limited) no flesh would survive.

When Jesus returns, the souls of those saints in Revelation 7 will get their eternal resurrected bodies at the start of the 1000 years reign in Revelation 20:4. Revelation 7 is not the resurrected/raptured saints, but them who become Christians afterward, and die during the great tribulation.

Those in Rev. 7 have their robes on IN HEAVEN, thus they were not killed during the 70th Week which indeed has the GREATEST TROUBLES EVER. These came out of the GREAT [as in 2000 year Church Age] TRIBULATION. People want to limit what John is describing as GREAT TRIBULATION to the Greatest Troubles ever, but Jesus stated we would always have tribulation, and thus we have 2 PERIODS of tribulation, the Church age tribulation which is 2000 some odd years and the 70th week tribulation which can be no more than 7 years. WHICH IS GREATER IN LENGTH ?

So were those in Rev. ch. 7 of the Tribulation period in truth ? No they can not be, Jesus tells the Tribulation Martyrs in Seal #5 that they MUST WAIT until their fellow brothers have died also, thus they must wait unto Jesus returns to be avenged. Thus John is speaking of the RAPTURED SAINTS in Rev. ch. 7 as coming out of the 2000 year (GREAT TRIBULATION) Church Age Tribulation.

Seems you have it backwards here brother. Rev. 7 is the Raptured Saints in Heaven.
 
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Seventysevens:
In one of your statements you said God can not be in front of evil. Then you had better tell the Holy Spirit that It made a big mistake in causing this verses to be written.

Isa_45:7
I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

Job_1:7 And the LORD said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.

Job_2:2 And the LORD said unto Satan, From whence comest thou? And Satan answered the LORD, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.

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The verse you cited is not shown in its proper meaning, God isn't saying he created EVIL, He is saying He brought TROUBLE/ILL WILL against those that come against Him READ THE WHOLE PASSAGE and its obvious what is being spoken of in Isaiah ch. 45, I have had to correct Atheists on this quite a few times.

God is ETERNAL.........Thus he has ALWAYS BEEN...................QUESTION, how can a God be eternal and HOLY id EVIL is not eternal and UNHOLY ?

God's mere existence has to have a counter SPIRIT in existence. God didn't create EVIL, if God is eternal, and he is, than EVIL has to be eternal also.

God read Isaiah 45, its clear that God is bringing TROUBLE against the UNGODLY. Hes not creating evil there. Bad TRANSLATIONS ABOUND EVERYWHERE.
 
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Maybe, but while there is such controversy about the rapture theory, I see them as you are.
But Christendom agrees with me, as does the Holy Spirit.

A serious anomaly here. Typical of the rapturists confusion.
An anomaly is something that deviates from the NORMS....That would always be you wouldn't it brother? Not me, seems you need to chose your words more carefully, its not an anomaly do deviate from you, it an anomaly when you deviate from the vast majority of Christendom in might near every basic tenet taught in Christianity.

How so? No Bible verse says the Lord will take His people to heaven. This false teaching is unbiblical.
By the holy Spirit.........I can't explain it to you if you don't understand it already brother. You will enter heaven telling Jesus you weren't supposed to be Raptured before the Tribulation, Jesus will laugh and smile and say, you are one hard headed brother.

P.S., Just don't tell Jesus "I want to go back", he might let you go back !!
 
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Seems you have it backwards here brother. Rev. 7 is the Raptured Saints in Heaven.
No, I don't have it backwards. The 144,000 are sealed before the great tribulation begins. Once the great tribulation begins, the great multitude are them who die during the great tribulation.

If the great multitude were the resurrected/raptured saints - prior to the great tribulation beginning - they would be seen (having been raptured) before the 144,000 are sealed. The purpose of sealing the 144,000 is that they are about to enter the great tribulation - which the great multitude will die during it.
The calendar used via biblical times had 360 days, thus it fits....3 1/2 years is 1260 days and 42 months and a time, rimes and a half [time].
Well, we've been through this before. The 360 days is not the issue. It is not a problem. 2520 days total, right? I know you agree with that.

If you didn't have the timing of two witnesses off - you could see why the timeframes are expressed differently and consistent with each other to be either in the first half or second half.

blue is in the first half - exactly the first half in days
sea green is in the second half - but not exactly 1260 day equivalent
red is the reason why - it doesn't say 1260 days in Rev 12:14 and 13:5.

everything in each line totals to 2520 days - seven years


The seven years (in Rev 12)
1260 days Rev 12:6 + time for the war in heaven Rev 12:7-9 + the time, times, half time Rev 12:14.

The seven years

1260 days Rev 11:3 + 3.5 days Rev 11:9 + 1256.5 days (42 months Revelation 13:5)

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all of the timeframes...

in the first half

the 1260 days - Rev 11:3, 12:6

in the second half

the 3 1/2 days
the 42 months - Rev 11:2, 13:5
the war in heaven time (not defined) - Rev 12:7-9

the time, times, half time = Dan 7:25, 12:7, Rev 12:14
 
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But Christendom agrees with me, as does the Holy Spirit.
The 'Christendom' that you know is almost wholly deceived by the rapture theory. The Church that I belong to does not promote a rapture to heaven.
You are making a very big assumption of what Christians believe. Go to places that have been or are now persecuting Christians and try to teach 'rapture'. They will laugh at you.
An anomaly is something that deviates from the NORMS
I pointed out a serious mistake of yours. You don't make any attempt to correct yourself.
I can't explain it to you if you don't understand it already brother.
If you actually quoted scripture to prove your case, I would believe it. But you don't have any and you seem unable to say why the Lord would remove the last generation, when all before it have faced trials and sometimes terrible testing of their faith.
P.S., Just don't tell Jesus "I want to go back", he might let you go back !!
Another example of the arrogance and sheer foolish ignorance of one deceived by the rapture theory.
 
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I have never read anything by them, and I think Tim recently passed away. God via the Holy Spirit gives us clues, its up to us to understand and discern them. Only a person (in my opinion) full of pride who can't ever change an opinion, can read Rev. ch. 19, see the Marriage of the Church to the Lamb IN HEAVEN, then return with Jesus to defeat the Beast/Anti-Christ/his Armies ON EARTH, and then say there is mo Pre tribulation rapture.

The thing is, I give all the instruction needed, and instead of debating me point by point, you and others make a one line quip, so I can't take you serious on these things because you actually think you already know all the answers, even though when you get to heaven you are going to see you were teaching in error on these things brother. So keep that pride brother, don't bother to try and see what a brother of 30 years is laying down for you. I am sure Jesus was frustrated by the Pharisees, he tried to teach them, but they already knew everything about God and the law. Sometimes we have to check ourselves. I didn't start learning the deep secrets of God until I learned to be WRONG, that is a hard lesson to learn, but a needed one. Too many people can't be wrong, I have learned my understandings are mine, WHEN WE LEARN to swallow our pride, then and only then can we hear Gods CORRECTIONS !!

Secondly if you READ MY POSTS you wouldn't have wasted your time writing the above. Now go back and find out why the above post is a waste of both of our times. I specifically explained about the MYSTERY/SECRET Rapture and why it was thus, but you can't understand what you don't read. Its like a conversation with air. Then again, you already have all the answers don't you? Just like the Pharisees had all the answers, they likewise saw nowhere in the Scriptures how Jesus could have had a RELATIONSHIP with Abraham, when Jesus told them he was I AM THAT I AM, they freaked out, I bet they said that's not in scriptures no where. Where does it say a man named Jesus is I AM THAT I AM !! But he was, and it did reference Jesus/Yeshua in many places, they just couldn't understand Gods ways of delivering the message. Do you think maybe God actually gave us this Secret Rapture but maybe you just can't see it in like manner ? I see it.

As per their supposed standings, God is no respecter of men so I don't even get your point, I like most Christians look to God, NOT MEN. Its your assumption that we heed them, we heed the bible not men.
Getting back to my original point, all millennial theories are false because they call for a physical kingdom, not of faith, but of sight. And whatever is not of faith is sin.
 
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But Christendom agrees with me, as does the Holy Spirit.

The first 1800 years of "Christendom" would not agree with you, as confirmed below by pretrib author Tim LaHaye.

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Author Tim LaHaye’s fictional books and movies known as the “Left Behind” series have convinced millions of modern Christians that the Pretrib doctrine is scriptural. Look at his quote below and consider carefully which viewpoint is the oldest.


"It may come as a surprise to most pre-Trib prophecy students that the post-Trib position (in its primitive form) is the oldest point of view."




Tim LaHaye, "Rapture Under Attack", page 197,

Multnomath Publishers, Inc., 1998

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Once a person comes to understand that the New Covenant promised to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34, is found fulfilled by Christ during the first century in Hebrews 8:6-13, and Hebrews 10:16-18, and specifically applied to the Church in Hebrews 12:18-24, and 2 Corinthians 3:6-8, the claim that the Holy Spirit agrees with you falls apart.

The only way you can make your Two Peoples of God doctrine work is by ignoring what the Holy Spirit inspired Word of God says about the fulfillment of the New Covenant, during the first century.


The New Covenant: Bob George



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Luk_6:42 Either how canst thou say to thy brother, Brother, let me pull out the mote that is in thine eye, when thou thyself beholdest not the beam that is in thine own eye? Thou hypocrite, cast out first the beam out of thine own eye, and then shalt thou see clearly to pull out the mote that is in thy brother's eye.

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3 “Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye?
4 How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye?
5 You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.

get over yourself
 
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They are twisting things a bit, as they say, "Though Zerubbabel did not sit on the throne as king" they try to turn his governorship into kingship saying "well he did...sort of."

The fact is, Jesus is both Priest and King according to Hebrews. But being from Judah, he cannot be a priest in Jerusalem, that is Levite territory. But he is both Priest and King in heavenly Jerusalem above according to Acts 2:30-33 where Peter says Jesus' resurrection placed him on David's throne, at the right hand of God.

If you try to say God can do anything he wants, you make him a liar if you claim he contradicts his own word.
 
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Whatever is involved with Jechoniah is a non-issue. Jesus is the messiah, and being God, Jesus is the rightful King of Israel, and Jesus is going to fulfill this prophecy here on earth in the land of Israel, in Jerusalem.

Ezekiel 37:24 And David my servant shall be king over them; and they all shall have one shepherd: they shall also walk in my judgments, and observe my statutes, and do them.

25 And they shall dwell in the land that I have given unto Jacob my servant, wherein your fathers have dwelt; and they shall dwell therein, even they, and their children, and their children's children for ever: and my servant David shall be their prince for ever.

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Acts 1:11 Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.


12 Then returned they unto Jerusalem from the mount called Olivet, which is from Jerusalem a sabbath day's journey.


Zechariah 14:4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.

You are making God a liar when you say Jeconiah is a non issue. Because God never contradicts his word. If he does, let's ditch our bibles now.

The fact is, Jesus is both Priest and King according to Hebrews. But being from Judah, he cannot be a priest in Jerusalem, that is Levite territory. But he is both Priest and King in heavenly Jerusalem above according to Acts 2:30-33 where Peter says Jesus' resurrection placed him on David's throne, at the right hand of God.
 
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Getting back to my original point, all millennial theories are false because they call for a physical kingdom, not of faith, but of sight. And whatever is not of faith is sin.
Getting back to the answer and why it is funny is that you don't really understand the matter , you suppose the heavenly kingdom is just disembodied spirits floating on clouds playing harps ?
you can espouse and follow your religious beliefs but that has no bearing of truth , even the JW profess how they are right and all else is wrong, some people followed Jim Jones believing what he taught to be true , you just don't understand what the point and purpose of God creating humans is all about

we are not 'just another' creation to the collection of created things , God has special things in store for humankind that will include a Physical Spiritual body , a physical body that is designed to co-exist alongside with Almighty God - the Restoration of ALL things will be man and God living together in unity , just as a larva /caterpillar/moth/and butterflies are all the same creatures that simply passes through various stages of physical condition before it becomes in it's final state. Man goes through phases before it is all finished - when Jesus said Finished on the cross , he was not referring to all that He has planned for man , but that was for redemption so that man could continue on to the next phases

Dave you have made several false statements without ever backing up what you say , each time you are asked to support what you say you dodge the issue or give a lame one liner that proves to be false
You are entitled by freewill to believe what ever you want to , but what you have expressed is not valid nor true - there are many scriptures that tell about a physical kingdom on earth reigned over by Jesus , that does not mean the Kingdom in heaven is gone , it just means there is also a kingdom on earth with Jesus reigning and ruling
You seem to employ a thought pattern much like atheists that puts all life limitations on what is touchable in human terms , The vast majority of times when people in a forum speak of a spiritual kingdom and refuse to acknowledge a physical kingdom their statements are full of voids and suppositions while they try to support those notions , and this thread is just another one of those notions without any merit , nothing more than your unsupported opinions
 
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Getting back to the answer and why it is funny is that you don't really understand the matter , you suppose the heavenly kingdom is just disembodied spirits floating on clouds playing harps ?
you can espouse and follow your religious beliefs but that has no bearing of truth , even the JW profess how they are right and all else is wrong, some people followed Jim Jones believing what he taught to be true , you just don't understand what the point and purpose of God creating humans is all about

we are not 'just another' creation to the collection of created things , God has special things in store for humankind that will include a Physical Spiritual body , a physical body that is designed to co-exist alongside with Almighty God - the Restoration of ALL things will be man and God living together in unity , just as a larva /caterpillar/moth/and butterflies are all the same creatures that simply passes through various stages of physical condition before it becomes in it's final state. Man goes through phases before it is all finished - when Jesus said Finished on the cross , he was not referring to all that He has planned for man , but that was for redemption so that man could continue on to the next phases

Dave you have made several false statements without ever backing up what you say , each time you are asked to support what you say you dodge the issue or give a lame one liner that proves to be false
You are entitled by freewill to believe what ever you want to , but what you have expressed is not valid nor true - there are many scriptures that tell about a physical kingdom on earth reigned over by Jesus , that does not mean the Kingdom in heaven is gone , it just means there is also a kingdom on earth with Jesus reigning and ruling
You seem to employ a thought pattern much like atheists that puts all life limitations on what is touchable in human terms , The vast majority of times when people in a forum speak of a spiritual kingdom and refuse to acknowledge a physical kingdom their statements are full of voids and suppositions while they try to support those notions , and this thread is just another one of those notions without any merit , nothing more than your unsupported opinions
You look for the same physical kingdom the Pharisees looked for and missed. And Jesus said it had already arrived along with him. Saying: “But if I cast out demons by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God has already overtaken you.” (Matthew 12:28).

And it is a spiritual kingdom of faith and not of sight. It is eternal, not 1000 years. It comes without observation. It is within you. And unless you are born again, you cannot see it.

A physical kingdom cannot exist on earth. Jesus said his kingdom is not of this world. It cannot exist in the world to come, that world is eternal without the sin and death and the animal sacrifices the physical kingdom includes.

The physical kingdom is a false gospel, not the gospel Jesus, Paul or the disciples preached. They preached the present kingdom taken by violence the church suffers under. “And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force.” (Matthew 11:12)

Peter said it arrived and Jesus is now on David's throne in heavenly Jerusalem above Acts 2:30

“So then, because he [David] was a prophet and knew that God had sworn to him with an oath to seat one of his descendants on his throne, David by foreseeing this spoke about the resurrection of the Christ, that he was neither abandoned to Hades, nor did his body experience decay.” (Acts 2:30–31)
 
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They are twisting things a bit, as they say, "Though Zerubbabel did not sit on the throne as king" they try to turn his governorship into kingship saying "well he did...sort of."

The fact is, Jesus is both Priest and King according to Hebrews. But being from Judah, he cannot be a priest in Jerusalem, that is Levite territory. But he is both Priest and King in heavenly Jerusalem above according to Acts 2:30-33 where Peter says Jesus' resurrection placed him on David's throne, at the right hand of God.

If you try to say God can do anything he wants, you make him a liar if you claim he contradicts his own word.
There is much more than this but you pick and choose what suits you , which shows you will only believe what you want to and not what scriptures says
You just don't understand much at all , you so wrapped up in falsehoods that you can't see truth , you misunderstand and call that truth - actually it is quite bizarre that you would think that the creator cannot overcome the created, you misunderstandings cause you to believe meaningless dribble that was conjured up by religious people that have no clue in understanding scripture
 
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There is much more than this but you pick and choose what suits you , which shows you will only believe what you want to and not what scriptures says
You just don't understand much at all , you so wrapped up in falsehoods that you can't see truth , you misunderstand and call that truth - actually it is quite bizarre that you would think think that the creator cannot overcome the created, you misunderstandings cause you to believe meaningless dribble that was conjured up by religious people that have no clue in understanding scripture
You still cannot produce scripture backing your claims of a Pre-Trib Rapture, and it is an integral part of all you believe about the end times.
 
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And it is a spiritual kingdom of faith and not of sight. It is eternal, not 1000 years. It comes without observation. It is within you. And unless you are born again, you cannot see it.

A physical kingdom cannot exist on earth. Jesus said his kingdom is not of this world. It cannot exist in the world to come, that world is eternal without the sin and death and the animal sacrifices the physical kingdom includes.

The physical kingdom is a false gospel, not the gospel Jesus,
This is evidence that you really have no clue and no understanding at all of this matter - I don't have time at this moment to show your folly , but this is ridiculous - you have no idea of what this is all about - elementary simple- IF God did not want people to be part of a physical kingdom he would not have created a physical earth , he would not be saying that he will create a new earth that IS physical for HIS Family to live on , a kingdom that cannot be seen ? Ridiculous !
The 1000 years has been explained again and again but you cannot absorbed that which you do not understand , you choose to be spiritually blinded - The glorified body IS a Physical body Like Jesus has after he rose from the grave , He asked Thomas to put his hand in his side to feel the wounds - In the future people will ask Jesus where did he get the wounds in his body , as they SEE those wounds !
there will be animals in the new earth , guess you think they are ghosts too eh ?
People that are born again are part if the family of God that will have physical bodies that never die , but can eat food , you'll likely come up with some type of ghostly food as well :)

Before we go on to the rapture , you need to address what a spiritual world looks like , how does a glorified touchable body navigate a world it cannot see :)
 
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