Equality Act

[Belk]

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Are you saying Atheists don't use social and legal pressures?

Exactly what social pressure do you believe the minority of the population whom are atheistic are using?

 

[SilverBear]

You'd have to, I don't know, actually follow the conversation.

Follow the conversation?

well OK lets look at the conversation -
we get an OP link to a piece where at least 90% of the statements made are false.

you said "So we should enact laws to force Christians to behave they way you think they should behave? Especially so they won't try to enforce laws that make people behave they want them to behave."

I put this back on you "you mean enact laws that prevent discrimination?"

You claimed that preventing discrimination somehow causes discrimination. when you doubled down on that claim i asked: "Can you identify just what in the bill does cause discrimination?"

you gave no answer to that question instead going on about how it's impossible to have an honest conversation.
you went on to say "I'm trying to point out potential unintended consequences."
you got asked "what consequences are you talking about?"

no actual answer from you.


You did try to point back to the OP article when is rife with false claims and you tried to distract from the lies in the OP article "So if someone is legitimately concerned about their rights, is it wrong for them to voice those concerns, or should that be OK to discuss?"

You are concerned about your rights -what rights? No clue because you don't say.
You claim you can't voice concerns - what concerns? No clue because you don't say.

You got asked some pointed questions:
Do you believe that it should be legal for a business to fire someone for being LGBTQ?
Do you believe it should be legal for a hotel, apartment complex, mortgage company, home seller or realtor to deny housing to a person for being LGBTQ?
Do you believe that it should be legal for a school that receives public funding to expel or deny admission to someone for being LGBTQ?
Do you believe that it should be legal to refuse to seat someone on a jury because they are LGBTQ?
Do you believe it should be legal for a restaurant, store, medical office, attorney's office or other vendor to refuse service to someone simply because they are LGBTQ?

You didn't answer any of them choosing to attack the person doing the asking

another poster asked you, again, to spell out just one of your "legitimate concerns" that request was met with silence

you played the victim :"Ok, gotcha. You are right, anyone who disagrees with you is wrong end of discussion. "

so i asked just what are you disagreeing with.

No answer.

what a great conversation

 

[topher694]

Follow the conversation?

well OK lets look at the conversation -
we get an OP link to a piece where at least 90% of the statements made are false.

you said "So we should enact laws to force Christians to behave they way you think they should behave? Especially so they won't try to enforce laws that make people behave they want them to behave."

I put this back on you "you mean enact laws that prevent discrimination?"

You claimed that preventing discrimination somehow causes discrimination. when you doubled down on that claim i asked: "Can you identify just what in the bill does cause discrimination?"

you gave no answer to that question instead going on about how it's impossible to have an honest conversation.
you went on to say "I'm trying to point out potential unintended consequences."
you got asked "what consequences are you talking about?"

no actual answer from you.


You did try to point back to the OP article when is rife with false claims and you tried to distract from the lies in the OP article "So if someone is legitimately concerned about their rights, is it wrong for them to voice those concerns, or should that be OK to discuss?"

You are concerned about your rights -what rights? No clue because you don't say.
You claim you can't voice concerns - what concerns? No clue because you don't say.

You got asked some pointed questions:
Do you believe that it should be legal for a business to fire someone for being LGBTQ?
Do you believe it should be legal for a hotel, apartment complex, mortgage company, home seller or realtor to deny housing to a person for being LGBTQ?
Do you believe that it should be legal for a school that receives public funding to expel or deny admission to someone for being LGBTQ?
Do you believe that it should be legal to refuse to seat someone on a jury because they are LGBTQ?
Do you believe it should be legal for a restaurant, store, medical office, attorney's office or other vendor to refuse service to someone simply because they are LGBTQ?

You didn't answer any of them choosing to attack the person doing the asking

another poster asked you, again, to spell out just one of your "legitimate concerns" that request was met with silence

you played the victim :"Ok, gotcha. You are right, anyone who disagrees with you is wrong end of discussion. "

so i asked just what are you disagreeing with.

No answer.

what a great conversation

Dude you are taking two different conversations and mashing them together, leaving out key details. and painting your own picture, that's dishonest, in fact it's a form of a lie.

Oh, and completely and utterly missed my point anyway.

 

[98cwitr]

https://www1.cbn.com/cbnnews/us/202...eats-people-of-faith-as-second-class-citizens

Thoughts? What should our response be as Christians if this were to pass? What should our churches do in response?

The main issue I have is the undercutting of basic biological common sense for the sake of appeals to emotion. As the father of a daughter, I am not sure how to prepare for her to compete in sports (if she has a desire to play) with males. How do I explain to my son or daughter why a member of the opposite sex is in the bathroom with them? Most importantly, how do I protect them from people who would use these "rights" to prey on children? Taxpayer-funded abortions need to simply be outlawed out right. The American people do not need to pay to kill babies.

 

[keith99]

Would you like to expand on that?

Well lets look at one of the claims from the article:

Under the Equality Act, disagreement is considered discrimination. It includes gay marriage, biological males competing in women's sports, and doctors performing procedures - like gender reassignments - that go against their conscience.

Bolding mine.

Gender reassignment surgery is rather specialized. I had a couple of growths removed. Bot times done by a specialist. Both Surgeons. I had a heart procedure done. Not by my cardiologist or by a general surgeon. Actually not even a Heart surgeon, but one who specialized in that procedure.

If you think a while you might be able to think of one procedure where this could come into play. But I would not want to bet I could find and practitioner that would want to avoid doing it for ethical reasons.

The claims are teh typical gross exagerations we have come to expect from a cerain group who shield their bigotry behind the cross.

 

[SilverBear]

The main issue I have is the undercutting of basic biological common sense for the sake of appeals to emotion.

and then you go on to ignore facts and pump out an appeal to emotion.

 

[Ringo84]

Religious beliefs are the last refuge of a scoundrel.

The courts and the government have made it far too easy for bigots to cloak their bigotry in protestations that discrimination against LGBTQ+ is "muh religious freedom!" and therefore unimpeachable.

What the First Amendment says is that you have the freedom to worship as you please or not worship at all. That's it. How you do that is, generally, up to you, but religion doesn't give you a free pass to be a bigot to people not like you.

The Equality Act is a step forward.
Ringo

 

[essentialsaltes]

It passed in the House (as it also did last year).

It still faces a tough road in the Senate, even with the Democrats nominally in control.

 

[cow451]

The main issue I have is the undercutting of basic biological common sense for the sake of appeals to emotion. As the father of a daughter, I am not sure how to prepare for her to compete in sports (if she has a desire to play) with males. How do I explain to my son or daughter why a member of the opposite sex is in the bathroom with them? Most importantly, how do I protect them from people who would use these "rights" to prey on children? Taxpayer-funded abortions need to simply be outlawed out right. The American people do not need to pay to kill babies.

I hope you and other Pro Lifers will as willingly champion adequate taxpayer monies to care for all the living children. How much in extra taxes are you willing to contribute to the task?

 

[tturt]

Wondering how many will support and vote for the 'Fairness for All" bill instead.

 

[98cwitr]

I hope you and other Pro Lifers will as willingly champion adequate taxpayer monies to care for all the living children. How much in extra taxes are you willing to contribute to the task?

No need. Plenty of charities and private citizens willing to help. Children are best cared for by their parents though.

 

[iluvatar5150]

The main issue I have is the undercutting of basic biological common sense for the sake of appeals to emotion. As the father of a daughter, I am not sure how to prepare for her to compete in sports (if she has a desire to play) with males.

The same way you would prepare her to play against girls who are larger, stronger, and/or more talented than her.

How do I explain to my son or daughter why a member of the opposite sex is in the bathroom with them?

You explain transgenderism.

But why is this an issue? I can count on one hand the number of times I’ve seen another dude’s junk in a public bathroom. It’s not hard to avoid.

Most importantly, how do I protect them from people who would use these "rights" to prey on children?

The same way you would protect them from anybody else. Do you see public restrooms as some sort of safe space impervious to abuse?

 

[tturt]

why should it even be something a child has to deal - take the risk away.

If you think it won't be show and tell time for some,

 

[98cwitr]

The same way you would prepare her to play against girls who are larger, stronger, and/or more talented than her.

No, because they'd actually be girls and not boys.

You explain transgenderism.

But why is this an issue? I can count on one hand the number of times I’ve seen another dude’s junk in a public bathroom. It’s not hard to avoid.

I can count the number of times a girl has been in the boys bathroom. It was at a concert...and there was alcohol involved. The line to the men's was WAY shorter.

The same way you would protect them from anybody else. Do you see public restrooms as some sort of safe space impervious to abuse?

All spaces should be safe, unfortunately they aren't. We don't need to normalize mental illness like this, especially at the cost of others (ie: sports).

 

[Speedwell]

All spaces should be safe, unfortunately they aren't. We don't need to normalize mental illness like this...

No, but we at least need to protect people from extremists who think LGBT s a mental illness.

 

[Belk]

why should it even be something a child has to deal - take the risk away.

Because we shouldn't make policy based on peoples unreasonable and unlikely fears.

If you think it won't be show and tell time for some, now that's funny.

Perhaps we should inquire into your lavatory excursions if you think this is a common occurrence?

 

[Belk]

No, because they'd actually be girls and not boys.




I can count the number of times a girl has been in the boys bathroom. It was at a concert...and there was alcohol involved. The line to the men's was WAY shorter.



All spaces should be safe, unfortunately they aren't. We don't need to normalize mental illness like this, especially at the cost of others (ie: sports).

They are not. And since this could just as easily happen now I'll ask you for your evidence that this somehow increases the likelihood of an assault. Frankly it looks like nothing more then baseless fear mongering.

 

[john23237]

It appears as if there are those who simply cannot abide treating this minority or that as equals. There must be 'reasons', however unlikely, this should not be allowed. How very sad.

 

[98cwitr]

There not. And since this could just as easily happen now I'll ask you for your evidence that this somehow increases the likelihood of an assault. Frankly it looks like nothing more then baseless fear mongering.

Unbalancing of hormones leads to fits of emotional instability and outrage: What Is The Link Between Women's Hormones And Mood Disorders?

Documented assaults from just a quick search:

Transgender woman arrested accused of sexually assaulting teen in Walmart bathroom

A Transgender Woman Assaulted a Child in a Restroom; New Laws Wouldn't Have Stopped It, and None Were Needed to Lock Her Up

 

[iluvatar5150]

No, because they'd actually be girls and not boys.

There are lots of co-ed sports leagues. I've played on them as an adult and I played on them in high school. Most bjj schools, including my own, have co-ed classes. Especially among children, there's a huge range of sizes and abilities within each gender. What matters is size and strength. I know plenty of women who outweigh me and who could probably outlift me - and I'm hardly a small man. I'm almost a foot taller than my wife, but only when she was 9+ months pregnant and/or a couple weeks post c-section was her running pace slow enough that I stood a chance of keeping up with her.

I can count the number of times a girl has been in the boys bathroom. It was at a concert...and there was alcohol involved. The line to the men's was WAY shorter.

So the incentive is for women to go into the men's room, not vice versa?

All spaces should be safe, unfortunately they aren't. We don't need to normalize mental illness like this, especially at the cost of others (ie: sports).

That's my point - bathrooms weren't safe in the first place. You already have to protect her. Giving more freedom to trans people doesn't change that.

A Transgender Woman Assaulted a Child in a Restroom; New Laws Wouldn't Have Stopped It, and None Were Needed to Lock Her Up

Your link undercuts your entire narrative.