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Haha, my rep quote this week is from Desmond, but I didn't even know this episode was Desmond centric!
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Episode 4:05 - The Constant
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Haha, my rep quote this week is from Desmond, but I didn't even know this episode was Desmond centric!
So hey, how about the Black Rock and the diary belonging to the family Hanso, eh?? AWESOME. And what connection does Penny's father have with Hanso and the whole business, I wonder?
ETA: I really liked this episode! GO DESMOND!
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NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Redguard, et al - just use Firefox with AdBlock, and you can block the image itself. Not that I don't appreciate it, snooch
If they use AdBlock that means that the income I make from online will diminish.
AdBlock stinks for people who make their living online.
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Hi Pete! 
...don't tell me, I don't watch the previews.
This one was....tense. Well, they all are.
...don't tell me, I don't watch the previews. This one was....tense. Well, they all are.
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I see, Pete. Yeah, I didn't want this one to end either, I can see what you mean.
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Yeah. I'm thinking when it's all over, I'm going to be watching 7 seasons worth of Lost in a marathon viewing, slapping myself up the head every ten minutes at all the clues I should have picked up and didn't.
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Well...in the past here, various members here have made comments about 'loosing their pants' or 'pants flying across the room' during some episodes. This time around, I imagine that those folks - and others - are in danger of indecent exposure charges.
Well, at least we now have a sort of quasi explanation for the time travel bit.
I'd be willing to bet that Ben and at least some of the 'Others' already knew all about the time travel effect; remember the comment made to Juliette during her trip to the island about how she did not want to be awake for it?
This also makes a bit more sense of the bizarre 'Orchard
Orientation' video clip: Dharma knew about the time travel effect, and (as usual) was conducting some extremely reckless experiments in that area.
This makes me wonder: with Dharma and the 'Others' presumably knowing about this effect for a long while now, and presumably other people subjected to this effect; what became of them all? Will Hurly, for example, end up with a roommate in the nuthouse who went through / is going though this? Or maybe he already has?
I also have to wonder if Doc Faradays plan to use Desmond as an 'anchor' will work. He seems like a nifty guy. Wonder why everbody forgot to mention the Swan Station getting blown halfway to Mars with Desmond inside it at the time to him?
Well, at least we now have a sort of quasi explanation for the time travel bit.
I'd be willing to bet that Ben and at least some of the 'Others' already knew all about the time travel effect; remember the comment made to Juliette during her trip to the island about how she did not want to be awake for it?
This also makes a bit more sense of the bizarre 'Orchard
Orientation' video clip: Dharma knew about the time travel effect, and (as usual) was conducting some extremely reckless experiments in that area.
This makes me wonder: with Dharma and the 'Others' presumably knowing about this effect for a long while now, and presumably other people subjected to this effect; what became of them all? Will Hurly, for example, end up with a roommate in the nuthouse who went through / is going though this? Or maybe he already has?
I also have to wonder if Doc Faradays plan to use Desmond as an 'anchor' will work. He seems like a nifty guy. Wonder why everbody forgot to mention the Swan Station getting blown halfway to Mars with Desmond inside it at the time to him?
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DAVID LEWIS
David Lewis is the name of Charlotte Staples Lewis' father. (We know this from when Ben ran down Charlotte's bio at the end of ''Confirmed Dead.'') David Lewis is also a famous thinker in the field of physics. During the 1970s, he gave a series of lectures about the topic of time travel. One of his most important contributions was a response to the problem known as ''The Grandfather Paradox.'' This is the idea that a time traveler can't go back in time and kill his grandpa because it would create a new timeline in which the time traveler would have never come into existence. Lewis resolved this paradox by simply suggesting that in a world where time travel would be possible, creating paradox would be impossible; the cosmos would basically work against you and execute what Desmond would call...
''COURSE CORRECTION'' PART ONE
Example: Charlie. But two things about Charlie's death: (1) Fate technically didn't kill Charlie. Remember what happened: Desmond flashed on a new version of Charlie's death one that offered a future that was beneficial to all castaways. Heroically, Charlie embraced this fate. Charlie exercised his free will and essentially killed himself. (2) Regardless, Fate got what it wanted. Which brings me back to the mystery of how Desmond, Locke, and Eko survived the Hatch implosion. Were they saved by ''The Grandfather Paradox''? Did Fate spare them because they just weren't supposed to die yet? Maybe. And if so, it would be awfully convenient; Lost could basically get away with any leap in narrative logic by chalking it up to ''course correction.'' Ironically, this is exactly the complaint that many physicists have to paradox theories like the one suggested by David Lewis. Which brings us to...
''COURSE CORRECTION'' PART TWO
Igor Novikov was a physicist whose name is attached to the most famous theory addressing time-travel paradox: the Novikov Self-Consistency Principle. Similar to Lewis, Novikov advocated ''course correction.'' But many others including Matt Visser, who coined the phrase ''Novikov Consistency Conspiracy'' opposed Novikov's articulation because it implied the work of supernatural agencies. A religious person (like Charlotte's namesake, C.S. Lewis) might call this agency ''God.'' An open-minded scientific person might call it ''Maxwell's Demon,'' named after James Clerk Maxwell's tricky thought experiment, discussed in this space a couple weeks ago. Novikov himself called it by another name, a name connected directly to Lost: ''Jinn,'' a word from the Koran for a category of formless magical entities that defy the laws of space-time. (The Monster, for example, could be a ''Jinn.'') But I might suggest a fourth candidate, one that our old X-Files friend Dana Scully would find hard to swallow but at least puts us in a plausibly human arena: an honest-to-God conspiracy, executed by Cancer Man-ish agents like Ms. Hawking, Brother Jerome (Desmond's former monastery boss), and many others. The Lostverse is populated by people struggling to avert catastrophic paradox and perhaps battling each other over the proper form of ''course correction.'' This raises the question: How would these flesh-and-blood ''demons'' know the future? Answer:
THE ORCHID
The Orchid is the name of another Dharma Initiative station that we have not yet seen, but will, soon. (Next week, to be exact.) A version of the Orchid's orientation film was released last summer by the producers of Lost; you can see it on YouTube or at abc.com. The film suggests that Dharma was trying to harness the unique energies of the Island in order to conduct experiments in time travel. It mentions something called the Casimir Effect, which points toward the kind of energy that Dharma was harnessing. What would negative energy be good for? Growing and maintaining a most volatile distortion in the fabric of reality, or ''Minkowski space-time,'' a distortion known as:
A WORMHOLE
If you're a sci-fi nut, you know all about wormholes, a theoretical phenomenon in space-time that can connect one point in time to another. Novikov speculated that wormholes could mature into ''natural time machines.'' If the Island is basically ground zero for a small, localized wormhole, then it's very possible that Dharma was to create a kind of quantum switchboard, connecting calls between Island present and the future or the past. I wonder if the name ''Miles Straum'' is another clue nodding in the direction of wormhole theory. The producers say ''Miles Straum'' was meant to sound like ''maelstrom,'' which is a massive, monstrous whirlpool in the middle of an ocean. Not a bad analogy for a wormhole in the South Pacific, eh?
David Lewis is the name of Charlotte Staples Lewis' father. (We know this from when Ben ran down Charlotte's bio at the end of ''Confirmed Dead.'') David Lewis is also a famous thinker in the field of physics. During the 1970s, he gave a series of lectures about the topic of time travel. One of his most important contributions was a response to the problem known as ''The Grandfather Paradox.'' This is the idea that a time traveler can't go back in time and kill his grandpa because it would create a new timeline in which the time traveler would have never come into existence. Lewis resolved this paradox by simply suggesting that in a world where time travel would be possible, creating paradox would be impossible; the cosmos would basically work against you and execute what Desmond would call...
''COURSE CORRECTION'' PART ONE
Example: Charlie. But two things about Charlie's death: (1) Fate technically didn't kill Charlie. Remember what happened: Desmond flashed on a new version of Charlie's death one that offered a future that was beneficial to all castaways. Heroically, Charlie embraced this fate. Charlie exercised his free will and essentially killed himself. (2) Regardless, Fate got what it wanted. Which brings me back to the mystery of how Desmond, Locke, and Eko survived the Hatch implosion. Were they saved by ''The Grandfather Paradox''? Did Fate spare them because they just weren't supposed to die yet? Maybe. And if so, it would be awfully convenient; Lost could basically get away with any leap in narrative logic by chalking it up to ''course correction.'' Ironically, this is exactly the complaint that many physicists have to paradox theories like the one suggested by David Lewis. Which brings us to...
''COURSE CORRECTION'' PART TWO
Igor Novikov was a physicist whose name is attached to the most famous theory addressing time-travel paradox: the Novikov Self-Consistency Principle. Similar to Lewis, Novikov advocated ''course correction.'' But many others including Matt Visser, who coined the phrase ''Novikov Consistency Conspiracy'' opposed Novikov's articulation because it implied the work of supernatural agencies. A religious person (like Charlotte's namesake, C.S. Lewis) might call this agency ''God.'' An open-minded scientific person might call it ''Maxwell's Demon,'' named after James Clerk Maxwell's tricky thought experiment, discussed in this space a couple weeks ago. Novikov himself called it by another name, a name connected directly to Lost: ''Jinn,'' a word from the Koran for a category of formless magical entities that defy the laws of space-time. (The Monster, for example, could be a ''Jinn.'') But I might suggest a fourth candidate, one that our old X-Files friend Dana Scully would find hard to swallow but at least puts us in a plausibly human arena: an honest-to-God conspiracy, executed by Cancer Man-ish agents like Ms. Hawking, Brother Jerome (Desmond's former monastery boss), and many others. The Lostverse is populated by people struggling to avert catastrophic paradox and perhaps battling each other over the proper form of ''course correction.'' This raises the question: How would these flesh-and-blood ''demons'' know the future? Answer:
THE ORCHID
The Orchid is the name of another Dharma Initiative station that we have not yet seen, but will, soon. (Next week, to be exact.) A version of the Orchid's orientation film was released last summer by the producers of Lost; you can see it on YouTube or at abc.com. The film suggests that Dharma was trying to harness the unique energies of the Island in order to conduct experiments in time travel. It mentions something called the Casimir Effect, which points toward the kind of energy that Dharma was harnessing. What would negative energy be good for? Growing and maintaining a most volatile distortion in the fabric of reality, or ''Minkowski space-time,'' a distortion known as:
A WORMHOLE
If you're a sci-fi nut, you know all about wormholes, a theoretical phenomenon in space-time that can connect one point in time to another. Novikov speculated that wormholes could mature into ''natural time machines.'' If the Island is basically ground zero for a small, localized wormhole, then it's very possible that Dharma was to create a kind of quantum switchboard, connecting calls between Island present and the future or the past. I wonder if the name ''Miles Straum'' is another clue nodding in the direction of wormhole theory. The producers say ''Miles Straum'' was meant to sound like ''maelstrom,'' which is a massive, monstrous whirlpool in the middle of an ocean. Not a bad analogy for a wormhole in the South Pacific, eh?
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That epi totally rocked, my favorite so far this season. Anyone get screen shots of Faraday's journal?
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