Enoch and Elijah

[LivingWordUnity]

Then why is the Church celebrating Dorothy Day?

Because she stopped following her Marxism and started following Jesus Christ instead.

"The ability to oppose the ideological enticements of her time in order to choose the search for truth and to open herself to the discovery of faith was witnessed by another woman of our time, the American Dorothy Day. She confessed openly in her autobiography to having succumbed to the temptation to solve everything with politics, adhering to the Marxist proposal: 'I wanted to be with the protesters, go to jail, write, influence others and leave my dreams to the world. How much ambition and how much searching for myself in all this!'. The journey towards faith in such a secularized environment was particularly difficult, but Grace acts nevertheless, as she pointed out: 'It is certain that I felt the need to go to church more often, to kneel, to bow my head in prayer. A blind instinct, one might say, because I was not conscious of praying. But I went, I slipped into the atmosphere of prayer...'. God guided her to a conscious adherence to the Church, in a life dedicated to the underprivileged." - Pope Benedict XVI, 13 February 2013​

 

[benedictaoo]

Oct 7th, 2015, that's the date I was thinking of. I'd forgotten about the Blood Moon prophesy also this fall.
This list is an interesting read of all the predictions of end times/final judgement. ..mainly from Christianity but a few from other beliefs
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_dates_predicted_for_apocalyptic_events

We really should not be focused on trying to read the future by trying to interpret prophecy. The point of prophecy is to call us back to the Gospel message. Both our dear Lord and Saint John Paul said, be not afraid, to fear not, Jesus overcame this world, take heart, He will be with us till the end of time. All we need to know is God wins because He already has. We are merely fighting a defeated enemy. He is going down, he is gonna try to take as many of us as he can with him. Don't let him. I guess that's what Mike was trying to convey to LWU in his own way. Mary's heart triumphs every time evil is defeated through our devotion to her. We pray the rosary for sinners and for sin and her heart triumphs because evil is defeated with good.

 

[benedictaoo]

Then why is the Church celebrating Dorothy Day?

Cause it's not moderate socialism.

 

[benedictaoo]

Keep in mind everyone. The Church celebrating anyone does not mean everything the person did was according to the Church. The very little I know of her is she converted to Christ and repented for the evil she committed and went out and tried to save others from going down that same path that the world says is good but brings nothing but heartache.

As far as socialism, it's when it's government centered and not God centered it's condemned.

 

[LivingWordUnity]

OBOB. Catholics don't believe in the Rapture nonsense. So feel free to take your sanctimonious snark to a faith forum that does.

The Catholic Church differs from Protestantism in the details of what happens at the time of the rapture by not in the fact that there will be a rapture. It's in Sacred Scripture which, along with divine Tradition, is part of the Catholic Church's deposit of faith.

"then we who are alive, who are left, shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air; and so we shall always be with the Lord." - St. Paul, 1 Thess 4:17

Speaking of the OBOB faith rules, do you remember when you gave your opinion (here) that marriage is a "human invention" and called it "jibberish" to believe that God invented marriage?

 

[LivingWordUnity]

As far as socialism, it's when it's government centered and not God centered it's condemned.

And there's no such thing as a God-centered socialist government. Socialism makes the government their god.

 

[pdudgeon]

The Catholic Church differs from Protestantism in the details of what happens at the time of the rapture by not in the fact that there will be a rapture. It's in Sacred Scripture which, along with divine Tradition, is part of the Catholic Church's deposit of faith.

"then we who are alive, who are left, shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air; and so we shall always be with the Lord." - St. Paul, 1 Thess 4:17

Speaking of the OBOB faith rules, do you remember when you gave your opinion (here) that marriage is a "human invention" and called it "jibberish" to believe that God invented marriage?

speaking of the OBOB rules, or even opening scripture to those of The Lord's Table is fruitless.
they are all exempt from the CF rules and the OBOB rules, as we have found to our dismay.

 

[pdudgeon]

We really should not be focused on trying to read the future by trying to interpret prophecy. The point of prophecy is to call us back to the Gospel message. Both our dear Lord and Saint John Paul said, be not afraid, to fear not, Jesus overcame this world, take heart, He will be with us till the end of time. All we need to know is God wins because He already has. We are merely fighting a defeated enemy. He is going down, he is gonna try to take as many of us as he can with him. Don't let him. I guess that's what Mike was trying to convey to LWU in his own way. Mary's heart triumphs every time evil is defeated through our devotion to her. We pray the rosary for sinners and for sin and her heart triumphs because evil is defeated with good.

prophecy is like a road map.
there will be sign points along the way to our destination (heaven) that will let us know that Jesus' return
is imminent.
those points are there not only to confirm what God has said, but also to encourage us that what He has promised
and has been putting into position is real, possible, and will be delivered.

If you will, think of prophecy as being like the Star of Bethlehem that guided three wise men to the Child Jesus.

All through the OT we've seen examples of this; signposts of Jesus comming, signs of God calling man to return
to a relationship with Him.
and also through the OT and NT we've seen the scoffers and those who did not believe, and who put to shame those that did believe.

Today we see the same thing.

 

[LivingWordUnity]

Here's what Sacred Scripture says about Elijah during the account of the Transfiguration. Jesus is basically saying that John the Baptist was like Elijah but that Elijah is still to come.

Matthew 17

1 And after six days Jesus took with him Peter and James and John his brother, and led them up a high mountain apart. 2 And he was transfigured before them, and his face shone like the sun, and his garments became white as light. 3 And behold, there appeared to them Moses and Eli'jah, talking with him. 4 And Peter said to Jesus, "Lord, it is well that we are here; if you wish, I will make three booths here, one for you and one for Moses and one for Eli'jah." 5 He was still speaking, when lo, a bright cloud overshadowed them, and a voice from the cloud said, "This is my beloved Son, with whom I am well pleased; listen to him." 6 When the disciples heard this, they fell on their faces, and were filled with awe. 7 But Jesus came and touched them, saying, "Rise, and have no fear." 8 And when they lifted up their eyes, they saw no one but Jesus only.

9 And as they were coming down the mountain, Jesus commanded them, "Tell no one the vision, until the Son of man is raised from the dead." 10 And the disciples asked him, "Then why do the scribes say that first Eli'jah must come?" 11 He replied, "Eli'jah does come, and he is to restore all things; 12 but I tell you that Eli'jah has already come, and they did not know him, but did to him whatever they pleased. So also the Son of man will suffer at their hands." 13 Then the disciples understood that he was speaking to them of John the Baptist.​

 

[pdudgeon]

how blessed are those who will see and hear Eli'jah and Moses, and recognize them as prophets!

 

[pdudgeon]

two men with beautiful feet!

 

[benedictaoo]

And there's no such thing as a God-centered socialist government. Socialism makes the government their god.

I agree. The Democrat party's ideas are not rooted in truth but humanism. They purpose we solve social problems with sin and in serving the poor, they care about the temporal needs to the detriment of the soul. The Republicans aren't rooted in truth either, they care about holding on to their wealth. But it's the democrats right now in how they offer solutions to problems through apostasy that's disturbing.

 

[MikeK]

It's much more than speaking out against. We must pray and make sacrifices for them because their going to hell. Pray and make sacrifices, intercede for them because they're so poor in spirit, they don't pray even for themselves. Serving the poor can certainty be a sacrifice made, offered for the poor sinners. The very rich need our service too. We must pray for souls who have no one to pray for them, not even themselves. Mother Theresa said that was our poverty. Spiritual. Who do you think is more in need? A poor prayerful, God fearing person or a rich, well off sinner? They are each in need but one has made provisions for eternity. The other just for this life that ends. So it's all about our right intensions, and balance. We can't serve one and ignore the other. We need to be God centered when tending to the needs of the poor. America has lost her way, Mike.

I agree fully.

 

[MikeK]

Cause it's not moderate socialism.

Exactly, even late in her life when she used the term socialist, she wasn't talking about real socialism. She was of the Sanders-socialist ilk, which isn't socialism at all. People can call it whatever they want, but if the means of production are not collectively owned, it isn't socialism.

 

[LivingWordUnity]

I agree. The Democrat party's ideas are not rooted in truth but humanism. They purpose we solve social problems with sin and in serving the poor, they care about the temporal needs to the detriment of the soul. The Republicans aren't rooted in truth either, they care about holding on to their wealth. But it's the democrats right now in how they offer solutions to problems through apostasy that's disturbing.

Today's liberalism (or whatever other name it goes by) is exactly as the CCC describes the deception of the Antichrist.

The Catechism of the Catholic Church

The Church's ultimate trial

675 Before Christ's second coming the Church must pass through a final trial that will shake the faith of many believers. The persecution that accompanies her pilgrimage on earth will unveil the "mystery of iniquity" in the form of a religious deception offering men an apparent solution to their problems at the price of apostasy from the truth. The supreme religious deception is that of the Antichrist, a pseudo-messianism by which man glorifies himself in place of God and of his Messiah come in the flesh.

676 The Antichrist's deception already begins to take shape in the world every time the claim is made to realize within history that messianic hope which can only be realized beyond history through the eschatological judgement. The Church has rejected even modified forms of this falsification of the kingdom to come under the name of millenarianism, especially the "intrinsically perverse" political form of a secular messianism.

677 The Church will enter the glory of the kingdom only through this final Passover, when she will follow her Lord in his death and Resurrection. The kingdom will be fulfilled, then, not by a historic triumph of the Church through a progressive ascendancy, but only by God's victory over the final unleashing of evil, which will cause his Bride to come down from heaven. God's triumph over the revolt of evil will take the form of the Last Judgement after the final cosmic upheaval of this passing world.

 

[pdudgeon]

Umm, rapture doctrine has been condemned by the Catholic Church.

if that were true, then they would also condemn Noah for building the ark.

 

[pdudgeon]

Didn't we just miss that, I thought the end was supposed to be about two weeks ago according to prophesy?

nope, you've got that wrong. the blood moons weren't to signal the end.
whoever told you that was passing along a lie designed to discredit what God ordained
as a sign to us and also to the Jews.

what you should ask yourself is who would benefit if God's signs were ignored or set at naught.

 

[Mountain_Girl406]

nope, you've got that wrong. the blood moons weren't to signal the end.
whoever told you that was passing along a lie.

I was thinking of the October 7th date actually, not the blood moon.

 

[LivingWordUnity]

prophecy is like a road map.
there will be sign points along the way to our destination (heaven) that will let us know that Jesus' return
is imminent.
those points are there not only to confirm what God has said, but also to encourage us that what He has promised
and has been putting into position is real, possible, and will be delivered.

If you will, think of prophecy as being like the Star of Bethlehem that guided three wise men to the Child Jesus.

All through the OT we've seen examples of this; signposts of Jesus comming, signs of God calling man to return
to a relationship with Him.
and also through the OT and NT we've seen the scoffers and those who did not believe, and who put to shame those that did believe.

Today we see the same thing.

The role of the prophet was to afflict the comfortable and to comfort the afflicted. So they were not liked by many.

“Blessed are you when men revile you and persecute you and utter all kinds of evil against you falsely on my account. Rejoice and be glad, for your reward is great in heaven, for so men persecuted the prophets who were before you." - Jesus

 

[LivingWordUnity]

The way I think of the signs of the last things is like grains of sand passing through an hour glass.

EWTN has a place on their website (here) on the topic of the last things.