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We aren't required to believe in it, but there's no reason for Catholics to reject it.
Thanks. Yes just wanted to confirm.

I know there are many spurious accounts roaming around online. I'll have to read through the Vatican page (long as it may be).
 
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Russia and the United States traded places with the error of socialism. And it has spread to nearly all western nations.

That is another false statement. The USSR was a communist country which, when it wasn't politically inconvinient, closed Christin Churches and imprisoned and even killed Christian leaders. The government owned everything and people did not have the freedom to own the means of production. It was a police state which hated openness and honesty and did not allow for free and open trials before peers. There was no freedom of speech or of the press and people were not free to start their own news sources. There was an entire government ministry devoted to going to schools and libraries and removing or editing historical documents. The United States has not "traded places with the error of socialism" with Russia. While immediately post-USSR, Russia did make moves toward a free, capitalist society, they have turned about in recent years and are now strengthening state control of media and state ownership of important industries. Political executions have again become a part of Russian politics. None of these things are happening in the United States.
 
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I worried you all might interpret my question as opposition. That was not the intent, just a genuine question.
I didn't interpret it that way. I was just adding an extra thought onto what I said.
 
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read it and you'll understand
i have read it, and i do understand much because i keep my eyes open.
thank you.

p.s and it was a wise move not to open the 3rd prophecy before 1960.
not all of it has happened yet, but i have no doubt that it will.
 
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I'm not up to date, correct me if I am wrong please.

Fatima is an approved apparition but Catholics are not obliged to believe in it?
I guess... I don't know if not believing is the correct way to put it. More like, not obliged to have a devotion to it. But the devotion to the Immaculate Heart (the 2nd secret ) is how we can stop this run away train. This apparition pretty much tops the list of apparitions. I cannot imagine or understand any Catholic not believing it. I wish y'all would just read the link. Its long but it covers everything discussed in this thread...even the fighting between Mike and LWU. It talks about scoffing at prophecy and the differnce studying prophecy and predicting the future, trying to unveil future event. It tells exactly how we are to take private revelation, public revelation, and the purpose of prophacy. everyone should read this.
 
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That is another false statement. The USSR was a communist country which, when it wasn't politically inconvinient, closed Christin Churches and imprisoned and even killed Christian leaders. The government owned everything and people did not have the freedom to own the means of production. It was a police state which hated openness and honesty and did not allow for free and open trials before peers. There was no freedom of speech or of the press and people were not free to start their own news sources. There was an entire government ministry devoted to going to schools and libraries and removing or editing historical documents. The United States has not "traded places with the error of socialism" with Russia. While immediately post-USSR, Russia did make moves toward a free, capitalist society, they have turned about in recent years and are now strengthening state control of media and state ownership of important industries. Political executions have again become a part of Russian politics. None of these things are happening in the United States.
So Russia is leaning towards communism again? Communism, as Mary basically put it, is a direct attack against the Church. If it's leaning towards this, that ain't good.
 
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i have read it, and i do understand much because i keep my eyes open.
thank you.

p.s and it was a wise move not to open the 3rd prophecy before 1960.
not all of it has happened yet, but i have no doubt that it will.
I don't know. It sems to say the holy father, clergy, relgious, and layity, that their suffering is a result of atheist communism's attack on the Church and Christians of the 20th century. But it just may continue into this century. Where I get confused is, Russia was to convert and their was to be a time of peace. Was the 90's really it? Was that the new springtime? I was there. I didn't see it. I saw the wall come down, I saw Our Lady of Fatima being carried in procession in Russia but then soon after, the county went EO. And in America Clinton legalized the killing of the preborn. So I'm confused.
 
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So Russia is leaning towards communism again? Communism, as Mary basically put it, is a direct attack against the Church. If it's leaning towards this, that ain't good.
I haven't seen any evidence that Russia is going back to socialism. There's been western propaganda war against Russia ever since Russia's law that made it illegal to promote homosexuality in their country. But it's obvious that the United States is at least unofficially socialist since we even have a presidential primaries candidate who is openly and proudly a socialist.
 
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I haven't seen any evidence that Russia is going back to socialism. There's been western propaganda war against Russia ever since Russia's law that made it illegal to promote homosexuality in their country. But it's obvious that the United States is at least unofficially socialist since we even have a presidential primaries candidate who is openly and proudly a socialist.
Socialism and atheistic communism are not one in the same. I have to side with Mike about this and Mary was more than clear, it's atheistic communism that is a direct attack against the faith, against God, His Church and Christians.
 
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Socialism and atheistic communism are not one in the same. I have to side with Mike about this and Mary was more than clear, it's atheistic communism that is a direct attack against the faith, against God, His Church and Christians.
How many years now have the United States bishops had to have a Fortnight for Freedom?
 
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I'm afraid I don't know what that is. ??
It has to do with Obama's oppressive HHS mandate and how it forces everyone to pay for contraceptives, abortions, and other things that are morally repugnant. Hobby Lobby, EWTN, and Little Sisters of the Poor are among those who have been trying to fight it in court. When the HHS mandate first came out, 100% of U.S. bishops wrote a letter in protest of it. And in 2012, the bishops organized the first "Fortnight for Freedom" to protest the mandate. This was unprecedented in U.S. history. Since that time, the Fortnight for Freedom has become an annual event because Obama continues to ignore the complaints of Catholics. I'm surprised that you haven't heard about it.

Here's a link to information about it:

http://www.usccb.org/issues-and-action/religious-liberty/fortnight-for-freedom/
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It has to do with Obama's oppressive HHS mandate and how it forces everyone to pay for contraceptives, abortions, and other things that are morally repugnant. Hobby Lobby, EWTN, and Little Sisters of the Poor are among those who have been trying to fight it in court. When the HHS mandate first came out, 100% of U.S. bishops wrote a letter in protest of it. And in 2012, the bishops organized the first "Fortnight for Freedom" to protest the mandate. This was unprecedented in U.S. history. Since that time, the Fortnight for Freedom has become an annual event because Obama continues to ignore the complaints of Catholics. I'm surprised that you haven't heard about it.

Here's a link to information about it:

http://www.usccb.org/issues-and-action/religious-liberty/fortnight-for-freedom/
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Oh, okay. Yeah, well, Russia sure has spread her error to all of humanity.
 
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Fatima and the Divine Mercy are by far the most widely accepted Church-approved private revelations of the 20th century.
Because they seem to pertain to the sign of the times. A urgent call to faith, repentance. Lourdes is also pretty widely accepted. I mean Mary came as the immaculate conception. Lourdes is my favorite.
 
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