Enoch and Elijah

[MikeK]

Mother Theresa was profoundly humble and that is what's sorely lacking in today's society. You have to have humility and others have to feel this virtue from those who want to promote oneself.

Mother Theressa was humble but was also a skilled promoter. She understood that the more attention she brought to the sick, the more people would care. She also knew that the more people saw what a difference she made and what sacrifices she made, the more they'd be motivated to help. Her letters are fascinating!

 

[MikeK]

Have you read any of the popes that have been posted? Its hard as heck to live like we are called to live with the godless way our secularized socity shoves sin down our throats. Yes, if I stand up and say what an abomination Bruce Jenner is and the whole transgender nonsense is, I get attack and called a transfobic. The temptations we are face with to standup and speak out is a persecution.

There is a better way. You have seen the beauty of Christian marriage. It has been called a fortaste of heaven. Yes, we should reject sin, but it is so much better to share the joy we have than it is to badmouthing everybody else. When people see how rich our lives are, how deeply satisfying the Christian marriage is, how could they not be inspired? Who would want to be Brice Jenner when they've seen how wonderful God's plan is?!

 

[MikeK]

You're serious, aren't you? We need to only go back in time Mike, before we passes godless evil laws. Like abortion, like same sex marriage, like way back when there was no such thing as no fault divorce and quicky divorces.

To when? What year? Throughout history, man has traded old evils for new. We've had Godless laws from the start. I asked you how we should write God's led into ours and how to enforce them. I get that you'd like to see the state not recognize gay marriage and abortion. I'd like that too.

 

[Armoured]

Communist Russia is who spread her error to the world thinking we don't need God, His laws, that government is all we need to govern even our concious. If you do not realize we are there then I have no words.

...huh?

 

[Armoured]

You're serious, aren't you? We need to only go back in time Mike, before we passes godless evil laws. Like abortion, like same sex marriage, like way back when there was no such thing as no fault divorce and quicky divorces.

So, theocracy then. Cool.

 

[Armoured]

Have you read any of the popes that have been posted? Its hard as heck to live like we are called to live with the godless way our secularized socity shoves sin down our throats. Yes, if I stand up and say what an abomination Bruce Jenner is and the whole transgender nonsense is, I get attack and called a transfobic. The temptations we are face with to standup and speak out is a persecution.

When the Pope talks about persecution, he's not actually talking about armchair persecution that westerner "suffer". Nor is he talking about accepting transgender people as, well, people.

 

[Armoured]

I get that you'd like to see the state not recognize gay marriage and abortion. I'd like that too.

If you can come up with a secular argument for it, me three.

 

[benedictaoo]

Mother Theressa was humble but was also a skilled promoter. She understood that the more attention she brought to the sick, the more people would care. She also knew that the more people saw what a difference she made and what sacrifices she made, the more they'd be motivated to help. Her letters are fascinating!

She also was a contempletive. Very prayerful and her motto was "something beautiful for God" that's what our work is to accomplish, we are to transform ourselves into something beautiful for God. I don't know what exactly you're debating. Surely you haven't become a humanist? You must not fall into the devil's snare of the false dichotomy we either work for the temporal needs or we work for the spiritual. We must do both and the whole entire point of this whole discussion is to understand that if we only seek to care for the temporal needs and wants of our neighbor and neglect the spiritual by gaining them earthly comforts at the expense of apostatizing God, we are hastening, actually causing the end of the ages. This is why any kind of government that apostatizes faith can never be a choice in any nation. We can not have a secularized government making God forsaken laws just because "not everyone believes like us". That's the point, their unbelief is what will pave the way of the anti Christ.

 

[benedictaoo]

...huh?

As a Catholic, you should be well aware of the message of Fatima and Saint John Paul ll consecration.

 

[Armoured]

As a Catholic, you should be well aware of the message of Fatima and Saint John Paul ll consecration.

...Yeeeessss... but what's that got to do with Communist Russia?

 

[LivingWordUnity]

She also was a contempletive. Very prayerful and her motto was "something beautiful for God" that's what our work is to accomplish, we are to transform ourselves into something beautiful for God. I don't know what exactly you're debating. Surely you haven't become a humanist? You must not fall into the devil's snare of the false dichotomy we either work for the temporal needs or we work for the spiritual. We must do both and the whole entire point of this whole discussion is to understand that if we only seek to care for the temporal needs and wants of our neighbor and neglect the spiritual by gaining them earthly comforts at the expense of apostatizing God, we are hastening, actually causing the end of the ages. This is why any kind of government that apostatizes faith can never be a choice in any nation. We can not have a secularized government making God forsaken laws just because "not everyone believes like us". That's the point, their unbelief is what will pave the way of the anti Christ.

It makes me think of this:

"As he [Jesus] was now drawing near, at the descent of the Mount of Olives, the whole multitude of the disciples began to rejoice and praise God with a loud voice for all the mighty works that they had seen, saying, 'Blessed is the King who comes in the name of the Lord! Peace in heaven and glory in the highest!' And some of the Pharisees in the multitude said to him, 'Teacher, rebuke your disciples.' He answered, 'I tell you, if these were silent, the very stones would cry out.'” - Lk 19:37-40

 

[benedictaoo]

There is a better way. You have seen the beauty of Christian marriage. It has been called a fortaste of heaven. Yes, we should reject sin, but it is so much better to share the joy we have than it is to badmouthing everybody else. When people see how rich our lives are, how deeply satisfying the Christian marriage is, how could they not be inspired? Who would want to be Brice Jenner when they've seen how wonderful God's plan is?!

What are you even talking about? You seem to be claiming secularized government around the world is of no consequence, that it all rides on the shoulders of the individual??? Did you read Benedict's Lenten reflection of 2013 that I posted? Are you disagreeing with him? That for the individual secularized government makes living a God centered holy life difficult indeed? That Christ only in the private sector is not enough? Giving him lip service is not enough. In this God forsaken society, people, even those raised Christian find it impossible to not be influenced by these God forsaken laws. I think you may have been influenced if you're debating this. You're kidding me right? Hollywood is brainwashing, even cartoons are a bad influence. ABC's "family" programing geared towards preteen and young teens indoctrinating them, normalizing same sex relationships, one show was dad becoming mom. It's ridiculous. Public schools are normalizing this garbage as well. Rot in, rot out, you know this. How extremely difficult indeed is it to raise children in this secularism. So, yeah Christian marriage is difficult to be faithful even. Too many temptations given to us, too many God forsaken laws designed by the enemy to attack the individual. I have no idea what you are disagreeing with. It's simple really, we need to stop offending God in the public sector, He is already much to much offended.

 

[LivingWordUnity]

What are you even talking about? You seem to be claiming secularized government around the world is of no consequence, that it all rides on the shoulders of the individual??? Did you read Benedict's Lenten reflection of 2013 that I posted? Are you disagreeing with him? That for the individual secularized government makes living a God centered holy life difficult indeed? That Christ only in the private sector is not enough? Giving him lip service is not enough. In this God forsaken society, people, even those raised Christian find it impossible to not be influenced by these God forsaken laws. I think you may have been influenced if you're debating this. You're kidding me right? Hollywood is brainwashing, even cartoons are a bad influence. ABC's "family" programing geared towards preteen and young teens indoctrinating them, normalizing same sex relationships, one show was dad becoming mom. It's ridiculous. Public schools are normalizing this garbage as well. Rot in, rot out, you know this. How extremely difficult indeed is it to raise children in this secularism. So, yeah Christian marriage is difficult to be faithful even. Too many temptations given to us, too many God forsaken laws designed by the enemy to attack the individual. I have no idea what you are disagreeing with. It's simple really, we need to stop offending God in the public sector, He is already much to much offended.

I agree. Here's what the Church says about it (added emphasis):

"Among the alarming developments of these years has been the widespread increase of pornography and wanton violence in the media. Books and magazines, recordings, the cinema, the theatre, television, videocassettes, advertising displays and even telecommunications frequently offer a representation of violent behaviour or of permissiveness in sexual activity that reaches the point of being openly pornographic and morally offensive. As reflections of the dark side of a human nature marred by sin, pornography and the exaltation of violence are age-old realities of the human condition. In the past quarter century, however, they have taken on new dimensions and have become serious social problems. At a time of widespread and unfortunate confusion about moral norms, the communications media have made pornography and violence accessible to a vastly expanded audience, including young people and even children, and a problem which at one time was confined mainly to wealthy countries has now begun, via the communications media, to corrupt moral values in developing nations." - Pontifical Council for Social Communications (1989)
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We should care about helping the needy. But caring for our neighbor means, above all, caring about their soul. The temptation of the devil is for man to live on bread alone. And that is exactly what secular humanism is about.
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[benedictaoo]

To when? What year? Throughout history, man has traded old evils for new. We've had Godless laws from the start. I asked you how we should write God's led into ours and how to enforce them. I get that you'd like to see the state not recognize gay marriage and abortion. I'd like that too.

We need to make both federal and state laws based on God's laws. It's very simple. Same sex marriage and abortion and divorce and what ever else are not moral but immoral.

 

[benedictaoo]

When the Pope talks about persecution, he's not actually talking about armchair persecution that westerner "suffer". Nor is he talking about accepting transgender people as, well, people.

When they talk about persecution they are also, in addition to, also as well mean attacks against the faith, truth, God's laws. The Church is persecuted in those ways. Abomination is a persecution against the Church and the laity. Christ Himself is persecuted as well as His mother by our individual sins as well as the world's sins and apostasy. Going secular, the way of the world is apostasizing and that is God being persecuted.

 

[LivingWordUnity]

When they talk about persecution they are also, in addition to, also as well mean attacks against the faith, truth, God's laws. The Church is persecuted in those ways. Abomination is a persecution against the Church and the laity. Christ Himself is persecuted as well as His mother by our individual sins as well as the world's sins and apostasy. Going secular, the way of the world is apostasizing and that is God being persecuted.

I agree. And part of the persecution foretold by Jesus is that his followers would be hated for his name's sake (Mk 13:13). So if someone who identifies as "Catholic" or "Christian" is loved by the heathen it's because he is one of them.

"As the saints are the body of Christ and members one of another, so also the members of the flesh of the dragon cleave to one another, and are born one from the other, and the smoke of heretical blindness generates the pride of the ungodly, which hurts with its mouth...They who in name alone are united to the Church, and who neither draw near to the altar nor the most holy place, are cast forth by the rule of the Gospel, and are joined to the nations...Not only are they driven from the Church, but they also fight against the Church itself, with the heathen as their allies..."

- St. Bede, The Explanation of the Apocalypse

 

[LivingWordUnity]

The World’s Hatred

John 15 (added emphasis)

18 “If the world hates you, know that it has hated me before it hated you.19 If you were of the world, the world would love its own; but because you are not of the world, but I chose you out of the world, therefore the world hates you.20 Remember the word that I said to you, ‘A servant is not greater than his master.’ If they persecuted me, they will persecute you; if they kept my word, they will keep yours also. 21 But all this they will do to you on my account, because they do not know him who sent me. 22 If I had not come and spoken to them, they would not have sin; but now they have no excuse for their sin. 23 He who hates me hates my Father also. 24 If I had not done among them the works which no one else did, they would not have sin; but now they have seen and hated both me and my Father. 25 It is to fulfil the word that is written in their law, ‘They hated me without a cause.’ 26 But when the Counselor comes, whom I shall send to you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, who proceeds from the Father, he will bear witness to me; 27 and you also are witnesses, because you have been with me from the beginning.

 

[LivingWordUnity]

“Blessed are those who are persecuted for righteousness’ sake, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. Blessed are you when men revile you and persecute you and utter all kinds of evil against you falsely on my account. Rejoice and be glad, for your reward is great in heaven, for so men persecuted the prophets who were before you." - Jesus (Matt 5:10-11)

 

[Armoured]

When they talk about persecution they are also, in addition to, also as well mean attacks against the faith, truth, God's laws. The Church is persecuted in those ways. Abomination is a persecution against the Church and the laity. Christ Himself is persecuted as well as His mother by our individual sins as well as the world's sins and apostasy. Going secular, the way of the world is apostasizing and that is God being persecuted.

Armchair persecution, like I said.

 

[LivingWordUnity]

There are two sides in this thread. One side says, "Here's what Jesus and the Church says."

And the other side responds, "Here's what I say."