End Time

[BelieveItOarKnot]

We have nothing for you.

Identify "WE"

 

[Ed Parenteau]

Yet they did pass away, because all these things did not come to pass in their lifetime. Therefore, generation is being said in respect to age, family or decent and not a time period of specific group.

Matt 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
Matt 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Notwithstanding the fact that every translation I have seen has translated it as "generation", in Matthew 1 we can see that Abraham is the first of 42 "generations" and Jesus comes in the last of those generations which Peter calls the last times 1Peter 19,20. How else would He refer to the generation He was in other than "this generation"? Matthew could have use another word (genos) he had already used if what you said is what he meant. Strong's Greek: 1085. γένος (genos) -- family, offspring
Besides that hardly all of my proof Jesus was referring to "this generation" being completed. Isn't it obvious that the old covenant "age" that began with Abraham and ended with the destruction of the temple would begin the new covenant age of the everlasting church? Ephesians 3:21

Let's look further into Matthew 24 and see He was talking about "that" generation in which He came.

Matthew 24:4Jesus answered, “See to it that no one deceives you. 5For many will come in My name, claiming, ‘I am the Christ,’ and will deceive many. 6You will hear of wars and rumors of wars, but see to it that you are not alarmed. These things must happen, but the end is still to come. 7Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be famines and earthquakes in various places. 8All these are the beginning of birth pains.

Romans 8:22We know that the whole creation has been groaning together in the pains of childbirth until the present time.

Then in the following , the context of "this generation" is in regards to the disciples" seeing "all these things" and according to James, they did see all those things, otherwise, why would he say what he did by which all things revealed come from the Father.
Matthew 24: 33So also, when you see all these things, you will know that He is near, right at the door. 34Truly I tell you, this generation will not pass away until all these things have happened. 35Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will never pass away.

James 5:
7Be patient, then, brothers, until the Lord’s coming. See how the farmer awaits the precious fruit of the soil—how patient he is for the fall and spring rains. 8You, too, be patient and strengthen your hearts, because the Lord’s coming is near. 9Do not complain about one another, brothers, so that you will not be judged. Look, the Judge is standing at the door!

Then the end comes. I would argue that Daniel is prophesying the greatest knowledge man has or ever will receive and it's going out into all the world where both he and Christ say it would mark the "end".
Daniel 12:4But you, Daniel, shut up the words and seal the book, until the time of the end. Many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall increase.”
Matthew 24:14
And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.
Romans 1:8
First, I thank my God through Jesus Christ for all of you, because your faith is being proclaimed all over the world.

Mark 16:
15And He said to them, “Go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature.
Colossians 1:23
if indeed you continue in your faith, established and firm, not moved from the hope of the gospel you heard, which has been proclaimed to every creature under heaven, and of which I, Paul, have become a servant.

Psalm 19:4
their voice has gone out into all the earth, their words to the ends of the world. In the heavens He has pitched a tent for the sun.
Romans 10:18
But I ask, did they not hear? Indeed they did: "Their voice has gone out into all the earth, their words to the ends of the world."

Take a look at the very end of the Matthew version of the Olivet Discourse concerning the answer to the question of when found in Matthew 24:3. It appears, at least to me, that the final statement is like a punch-line closing statement for the entire passage, (only in the Matthew version). However it seems that those who are predisposed to alternative viewpoints do not often have the patient endurance to continue reading that far along in search of the answer to the question, (it's a grueling two chapters and two verses).

I take it you're pointing to the end of Matthew 25.

Here Jesus again points to Daniel.
45Then the King will answer, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for Me.’ 46And they will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”

Daniel 12:2And many who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake, some to everlasting life, but others to shame and everlasting contempt. 3Then the wise will shine like the brightness of the heavens, and those who lead many to righteousness will shine like the stars forever and ever.

However, you're a little bit cryptic and I'm not really understanding what point you're trying to make.

 

[daq]

Notwithstanding the fact that every translation I have seen has translated it as "generation", in Matthew 1 we can see that Abraham is the first of 42 "generations" and Jesus comes in the last of those generations which Peter calls the last times 1Peter 19,20. How else would He refer to the generation He was in other than "this generation"? Matthew could have use another word (genos) he had already used if what you said is what he meant. Strong's Greek: 1085. γένος (genos) -- family, offspring
Besides that hardly all of my proof Jesus was referring to "this generation" being completed. Isn't it obvious that the old covenant "age" that began with Abraham and ended with the destruction of the temple would begin the new covenant age of the everlasting church? Ephesians 3:21

Let's look further into Matthew 24 and see He was talking about "that" generation in which He came.

Matthew 24:4Jesus answered, “See to it that no one deceives you. 5For many will come in My name, claiming, ‘I am the Christ,’ and will deceive many. 6You will hear of wars and rumors of wars, but see to it that you are not alarmed. These things must happen, but the end is still to come. 7Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be famines and earthquakes in various places. 8All these are the beginning of birth pains.

Romans 8:22We know that the whole creation has been groaning together in the pains of childbirth until the present time.

Then in the following , the context of "this generation" is in regards to the disciples" seeing "all these things" and according to James, they did see all those things, otherwise, why would he say what he did by which all things revealed come from the Father.
Matthew 24: 33So also, when you see all these things, you will know that He is near, right at the door. 34Truly I tell you, this generation will not pass away until all these things have happened. 35Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will never pass away.

James 5:
7Be patient, then, brothers, until the Lord’s coming. See how the farmer awaits the precious fruit of the soil—how patient he is for the fall and spring rains. 8You, too, be patient and strengthen your hearts, because the Lord’s coming is near. 9Do not complain about one another, brothers, so that you will not be judged. Look, the Judge is standing at the door!

Then the end comes. I would argue that Daniel is prophesying the greatest knowledge man has or ever will receive and it's going out into all the world where both he and Christ say it would mark the "end".
Daniel 12:4But you, Daniel, shut up the words and seal the book, until the time of the end. Many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall increase.”
Matthew 24:14
And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.
Romans 1:8
First, I thank my God through Jesus Christ for all of you, because your faith is being proclaimed all over the world.

Mark 16:
15And He said to them, “Go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature.
Colossians 1:23
if indeed you continue in your faith, established and firm, not moved from the hope of the gospel you heard, which has been proclaimed to every creature under heaven, and of which I, Paul, have become a servant.

Psalm 19:4
their voice has gone out into all the earth, their words to the ends of the world. In the heavens He has pitched a tent for the sun.
Romans 10:18
But I ask, did they not hear? Indeed they did: "Their voice has gone out into all the earth, their words to the ends of the world."




I take it you're pointing to the end of Matthew 25.

Pretty sure I wrote two chapters and two verses.

That takes me to Matthew 26:1-2.

Matthew 26:1-2 KJV
1 And it came to pass, when Jesus had finished all these sayings, he said unto his disciples,
2 Ye know that after two days is the feast of the passover, and the Son of man is betrayed to be crucified.

But that is his when. Each has his or her own when, for the Gospel is personal and individual: each in his or her own appointed times, times appointed of the Father.

 

[HIM]

Notwithstanding the fact that every translation I have seen has translated it as "generation", in Matthew 1 we can see that Abraham is the first of 42 "generations" and Jesus comes in the last of those generations which Peter calls the last times 1Peter 19,20. How else would He refer to the generation He was in other than "this generation"? Matthew could have use another word (genos) he had already used if what you said is what he meant. Strong's Greek: 1085. γένος (genos) -- family, offspring

No Because ALL the tribes on earth have not mourned because of seeing the son of Man coming in the clouds. And the Trumpet has not sounded, and Angels have not been sent to gather the elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. This without a doubt is speaking of the End of our time, generation in general and the final judgement.

Matt 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
Matt 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

All these things includes His Coming in the clouds of heaven with His Angels to gather the elect. So this generation Must being spoken in General of the Christian age up to His 2nd coming in the clouds with Great Glory as the passage states.

Matt 24:33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.
Matt 24:34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.

To even further the general context is speaking of His 2nd coming. He begins to compare His coming in the clouds with the angel to gather the elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven unto the other to Noah and the flood.

Matt 24:36-42

Then He compares being ready for His coming in the clouds with the angel to gather the elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven unto the other to someone having their house broken into. And if they would have been paying attention to the signs they would have been ready and would not have suffered their house to be broken into. Being caught unaware when He comes in the clouds with His Angels to gather the elect



Matt 24:43 But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.
Matt 24:44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.

Then He speaks of rewards to the faithful and wise servant whom is ready when He comes. But the evil servant whom is not ready but says our Lord delays He shall cut asunder and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Matt 24:45-51

And that is not it. Still in the same context He continues but adds something to His coming in the clouds to gather the elect. He calls us who are waiting the Kingdom of Heaven. And in this compares us to virgins who are awaiting the bride-groom and need to be wise and make sure we our Lamps are trimmed and full so that we are able to see our Lord when He comes to take us to be His wife. Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh to gather His Bride, the elect.

Matt 25:1-13

And if that were not enough, He continues with the same premise of His coming in the clouds with His angels to gather the elect and the passing of Judgement. And as He continues he goes on to call us His servants the Kingdom of Heaven and say we His servant have received talents, goods and that when He comes back he expects to see that there has been an increase to what He has given us. And if there is no increase we will be cast out unto utter darkness, there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Matt 25:14-30

Then Jesus speaks more bluntly. He says directly that when He comes in his glory with the Angels He shall sit in the throne of judgement and gather ALL nations before Him. And He shall divide the sheep from the goats. The sheep to the right, the goats unto the left. Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world. But unto the left, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

Matt 25:31-46

So, in closing no, all this has not been fulfilled because Jesus has not come in the clouds to gather the elect for judgement. And as was shown in the Opening post all that is to transpire is connected closely in time to His second coming with Judgement.

And in this we are to pray that when the great tribulation starts, that our flight from it not be in the winter nor the Sabbath Day. The winter because it will make our journey even more difficult. And the Sabbath because on the Seventh Day we will be resting from our secular labors and in keeping the Day Holy we will be caught up in worship and what not and will be caught off guard.

 

[Ed Parenteau]

All the tribes on earth have not mourned because of seeing the son of Man coming in the clouds. And the Trumpet has not sounded, and Angels have not been sent to gather the elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. This without a doubt is speaking of the End of our time, generation in general and the final judgement.

Matt 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
Matt 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

All these things includes His Coming in the clouds of heaven with His Angels to gather the elect. So this generation Must being spoken in General of the Christian age up to His 2nd coming in the clouds with Great Glory as the passage states.

Matt 24:33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.
Matt 24:34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.

To even further the general context is speaking of His 2nd coming. He begins to compare His coming in the clouds with the angel to gather the elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven unto the other to Noah and the flood.

Matt 24:36-42

Then He compares being ready for His coming in the clouds with the angel to gather the elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven unto the other to someone having their house broken into. And if they would have been paying attention to the signs they would have been ready and would not have suffered their house to be broken into.



Matt 24:43 But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.
Matt 24:44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.

Then He speaks of rewards to the faithful and wise servant whom is ready when He comes. But the evil servant whom is not ready but says our Lord delays He shall cut asunder and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Matt 24:45-51

And that is not it. Still in the same context He continues but adds something to His coming in the clouds to gather the elect. He calls us who are waiting the Kingdom of Heaven. And in this compares us to virgins who are awaiting the bride-groom and need to be wise and make sure we our Lamps are trimmed and full so that we are able to see our Lord when He comes to take us to be His wife. Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh.

Matt 25:1-13

And if that were not enough, He continues with the same premise of His coming in the clouds with His angels to gather the elect and the passing of Judgement. And as He continues he goes on to call us His servants the Kingdom of Heaven and say we His servant have recieved talents, goods and that when He comes back he expects to see that their has been an increase to what He has given us. and if there is no increase we will be cast out unto utter darkness, there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Matt 25:14-30

Then in closing Jesus speaks more bluntly. He says directly that when He comes in his glory with the Angels He shall sit in the throne of judgement and gather ALL nations beforew Him. And He shall divide the sheep from the goats. The sheep to the right, the goats unto the left. Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world. But unto the left, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

Matt 25:31-46

So, in closing no, all this has not been fulfilled because Jesus has not come in the clouds to gather the elect for judgement. And as was shown in the Opening post all that is to transpire is connected closely in time to His second coming with Judgement.

And in this we are to pray that when the great tribulation starts, that our flight from not be in the winter nor the Sabbath Day. The winter because it will make our journey even more difficult. And the Sabbath because on the Seventh Day we will be resting from our secular labors and in keeping the Day Holy we will be caught up in worship and what not and will be caught off guard.

Zechariah 12 tells us who all the tribes of the earth/land are and would mourn.

10Then I will pour out on the house of David and on the people of Jerusalem a spirit of grace and prayer, and they will look on Me, the One they have pierced.(John 19:37 and Revelation 1:7) They will mourn for Him as one mourns for an only child, and grieve bitterly for Him as one grieves for a firstborn son.(Revelation 1:7,Luke 23:28)
11On that day the wailing in Jerusalem will be as great as the wailing of Hadad-rimmon in the plain of Megiddo. 12The land will mourn, each clan on its own: the clan of the house of David and their wives, the clan of the house of Nathan and their wives, 13the clan of the house of Levi and their wives, the clan of Shimei and their wives, 14and all the remaining clans and their wives.

Then it comes to the New Testament and who Jesus said would see Him "coming in the clouds of heaven"
Let's start with those responsible for the greatest crime in history, the murder of God's only begotten Son. Who could possibly be more worthy of God's wrath than they?

Matthew 26:63But Jesus remained silent. Then the high priest said to Him, “I charge You under oath by the living God: Tell us if You are the Christ, the Son of God.” 64“You have said it yourself,” Jesus answered. “But I say to all of you, from now on you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of Power and coming on the clouds of heaven.”

Matthew 16:
27For the Son of Man will come in His Father’s glory with His angels, and then He will repay each one according to what he has done.
28Truly I tell you, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom.”

Mark 8:
34Then Jesus called the crowd to Him along with His disciples, and He told them, “If anyone wants to come after Me, he must deny himself and take up his cross and follow Me. 35For whoever wants to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for My sake and for the gospel will save it. 36What does it profit a man to gain the whole world, yet forfeit his soul? 37Or what can a man give in exchange for his soul? 38If anyone is ashamed of Me and My words in this adulterous and sinful generation, the Son of Man will also be ashamed of him when He comes in His Father’s glory with the holy angels.”
Mark 9"1Then Jesus said to them, “Truly I tell you, there are some standing here who will not taste death before they see the kingdom of God arrive with power.”

Luke 9:
25What does it profit a man to gain the whole world, yet lose or forfeit his very self? 26If anyone is ashamed of Me and My words, the Son of Man will be ashamed of him when He comes in His glory and in the glory of the Father and of the holy angels. 27But I tell you truthfully, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the kingdom of God.”

The fact that He would come as a "thief in the night" proves He wouldn't be physically seen.

And to second that,
Luke 17:20When asked by the Pharisees when the kingdom of God would come, Jesus replied, “The kingdom of God will not come with observable signs. 21Nor will people say, ‘Look, here it is,’ or ‘There it is.’ For you see, the kingdom of God is in your midst.
Thayer's Greek Lexicon
STRONGS NT 3907: παρατήρησις
παρατήρησις, παρατηρήσεως, ἡ (παρατηρέω), observation ((Polybius 16, 22, 8), Diodorus, Josephus, Antoninus, Plutarch, others): μετά παρατηρήσεως, in such a manner that it can be watched with the eyes, i. e. in a visible manner, Luke 17:20.

Thirdly,
He said the world would never see Him again
John 14:18I will not leave you as orphans; I will come to you. 19In a little while the world will see Me no more, but you will see Me. Because I live, you also will live. 20On that day you will know that I am in My Father, and you are in Me, and I am in you. 21Whoever has My commandments and keeps them is the one who loves Me. The one who loves Me will be loved by My Father, and I will love him and reveal Myself to him.”

Where do you see the end of the church age in the following?

Ephesians 3:21to Him be the glory in the church and in Christ Jesus throughout all generations, forever and ever. Amen.

Isaiah 9
6For unto us a child is born,
unto us a son is given,
and the government will be upon His shoulders.
And He will be called
Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God,
Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
7Of the increase of His government and peace
there will be no end.
He will reign on the throne of David (Acts 2:29-36)
and over his kingdom,
to establish and sustain it
with justice and righteousness
from that time and forevermore.


Daniel 2:44In the days of those kings, the God of heaven will set up a kingdom that will never be destroyed, nor will it be left to another people. It will shatter all these kingdoms and bring them to an end, but will itself stand forever.

 

[Ed Parenteau]

Pretty sure I wrote two chapters and two verses.

That takes me to Matthew 26:1-2.

Matthew 26:1-2 KJV
1 And it came to pass, when Jesus had finished all these sayings, he said unto his disciples,
2 Ye know that after two days is the feast of the passover, and the Son of man is betrayed to be crucified.

But that is his when. Each has his or her own when, for the Gospel is personal and individual: each in his or her own appointed times, times appointed of the Father.

OK, I misunderstood you.

 

[Marilyn C]

Matthew 24 shows us that our Lord Jesus Christ expects us to be keeping the Sabbath up to His second coming.

Jesus was talking to the JEWS.

 

[HIM]

Jesus was talking to the JEWS.

Please read through the OP and answer the points made. All you did was post an opinion without answering the points made, which are facts in respect to the grammar and context. Thanks

 

[Guojing]

Please read through the OP and answer the points made. All you did was post an opinion without answering the points made, which are facts in respect to the grammar and context. Thanks

Yours is actually an opinion as well.

 

[HIM]

Yours is actually an opinion as well.

Based on facts within the passage and it's context.

 

[HIM]

Matthew 24 shows us that our Lord Jesus Christ expects us to be keeping the Sabbath up to His second coming. So why are you not keeping it?

Please follow along.
There are three questions asked by the Apostles in verse 3. First is when shall the Temple be destroyed. The second is when shall be the sign of Jesus' coming. And the third is when shall be the end of the world.
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Matt 24:2,3

All three questions are answered as one. Everything Jesus says is connected to what is previously stated by the use of particles, conjunctive particles and adverbs. These conjunctive particles are "and" which is copulative and sometimes cumulative in nature. "For", which assigns a reason to what was previously stated. "But" which is adversative or continuative in nature.

Verse 9 starts with the adverb then. Everything previously stated leads up to this point by the use of the particles, for in verse 5 and in verse 6, and for in verse 7. And all this is said in direct context to verse 6 in respect to the end being not yet.


Matt 24:4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
Matt 24:5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.
Matt 24:6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.
Matt 24:7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.
Matt 24:8 All these are the beginning of sorrows.
Matt 24:9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.

But that is not the end of it. Jesus continues in verses 10-14 with the conjunctive particle and, and, and, but respectively. Which means he is continuing, adding on to what He had already said. It is all the same context tied together through the syntax.

In this respect he continues to tie everything he is about to say to what was previously stated in verse 6, that the end not yet. There is not a break. It is the same context. And that context is in respect the end not yet being.


Matt 24:10 And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.
Matt 24:11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
Matt 24:12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.
Matt 24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
Matt 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

Verses 15-20 are a little different in the words being used. Verse 15 starts off with two conjunctive particles. These words as you can see are when and therefore. THESE words are continuative in nature.
And the word "see" in verse 15 is being said in the second person. So we get, "when you therefore see". The words "when ye therefore" tie into what Jesus already said, to what he is about to say. Because the word therefore assigns a reason or consequence to what was previously stated. So the proceeding text adds to what was said in respect to what will occur before the end that is not yet. And it says when you shall see the abomination of desolations spoken by Daniel standing in the Holy Place.

The abomination of desolation mentioned is the culmination of the signs in which we will see in relation to the question as to when the end is. Verses 6 and 13 solidify this context in that they mention the end. When we see the abomination of desolation standing in the holy place we are instructed, if in Judea to flee into the Mountains quickly. And to pray that our flight not be in the winter nor on the Sabbath Day. Since we see that this prophecy is about when the end is, we see that this is speaking of the time right before Jesus, coming and the end of this world. As was said, verses 6 and 13 have set the context to which Jesus is speaking. And the context is the answer as to when the end would be. Keep in mind Jesus is talking to His Apostles, the first Christians. Therefore He is speaking to us through them.

Matt 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet standing in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand
Matt 24:16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
Matt 24:17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
Matt 24:18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
Matt 24:19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
Matt 24:20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:

As you can see in respect to when the end shall be, our Lord and Savior councils us in verse 20 to flee when we see the abomination of desolation standing in the Holy Place, and to pray that our flight not be in the winter nor on the Sabbath Day. Which means prior to the end Jesus expected His followers, us to be resting on the Sabbath and keeping the day Holy. The fact that Judea is mentioned means that the abomination of desolation standing in the Holy Place is tied to that region. Whether it is being said in respect to the destruction of the Temple or something else is subject to debate. Most believe it is. We would teach the abomination of desolation would be the building of it in the name of our God and Father rather than the destruction if anything. Even the very site in which it was is nothing since we are now the Temple and God's Spirit dwells in us through Christ. A building of a third Temple would be a direct affront unto our God and all He did for us in Christ.

As He continues, He tells us why we should flee by using the word "for" in verse 21. He says, for then, during the abomination of desolation. There shall be a great tribulation, as never was.

And as He proceeds He uses the word "and" connecting what is about to be said to what was previously stated in relation to when the end would be because He is continuing in the same context. The use of the word "and" proves this. He says unless this tribulation be shorten there would be none of us left. And at this time when He explains the tribulation is shortened, He uses the word then. Which connects what is about to be said to what was already stated as to when shall the end be. He says in relation to the end of this tribulation, then at this moment, many false Christs shall arrive showing great signs and wonders. And if it were possible they would deceive the very elect, us. He says Believe it not. For behold as I have told you before. As lighten cometh out of the east and shineth even unto the west so also shall be the coming of the Son of man be.

Matt 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
Matt 24:22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
Matt 24:23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
Matt 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
Matt 24:25 Behold, I have told you before.
Matt 24:26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
Matt 24:27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

So with that, what we see so far is the signs as to when the end will be close. And as we see these signs we are called to flee and hope that are flight not be in the winter neither on the Sabbath day. In the mention of the Sabbath we see that Jesus expects His follows to still be resting on the Sabbath Day and keeping it Holy. So with that stated they, we will be caught off guard and consequently it will be harder on us.

And at this moment that we are fleeing there shall be tribulation as there has never been before. And after this tribulation is shortened for our sake we shall also start seeing incredible, miraculous signs and wonders being done by those whom profess to be Christ. Saying He is here and there. Believe it not Jesus says, For as lightening cometh from the east and shineth even unto the west even so shall the Son of man be. For wheresoever the carcass is due to the tribulation that is shortened, there will the eagles be gathered together.

Then immediately after these days of tribulation that are shortened, the sun shall be darkened, the moon shall not give her light, the stars shall fall from heaven and the very powers of heaven shall be shaken. All this is closely connected in time according the context. We know this because He uses the word "then" He says, then shall appear the Son of man in Heaven after the signs in heaven just mentioned. Which are Immediately after the tribulation that is after the abomination of desolation. Everything is closely connected. And as you can see during the time that Jesus returns because it is closely connect to the abomination of desolation Jesus expected His followers to be keeping the Sabbath. Because He said to His Apostles, who where the leaders in the church and would not be around but would teach Jesus' prophecy here to pray that our flight not be in the winter nor on the Sabbath Day.

As Jesus continues He says, And all the tribes of the earth shall mourn as they see the Son of man coming in the clouds of Heaven with power and great Glory. And at this time He says He shall send His Angels with the sound of a great Trumpet. And they shall gather together the elect who were not deceived. From one end of heaven unto another.


This is speaking of the final judgment. ALL the tribes on earth have not mourned because of seeing the Son of Man coming in the clouds. And the Trumpet has not sounded, and Angels have not been sent to gather the elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. This without a doubt is speaking of the End of our time, generation in general and the final judgment.

Matt 24:28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.
Matt 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
Matt 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
Matt 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.



The clause in verse 33, "All these things" includes everything mentioned from verses 5-31. Due to the fact that they connect in context by the grammar and syntax as shown above.

Matt 24:33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.
Matt 24:34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.

To even further the general context is speaking of His 2nd coming and judgment. He begins to compare His coming in the clouds with the angel to gather the elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven unto the other to Noah and the flood.

Matt 24:36-42

Then He compares being ready for His coming in the clouds with the angel to gather the elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven unto the other to someone having their house broken into. And if they would have been paying attention to the signs they would have been ready and would not have suffered their house to be broken into. Being caught unaware when He comes in the clouds with His Angels to gather the elect



Matt 24:43 But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.
Matt 24:44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.

Then He speaks of rewards to the faithful and wise servant whom is ready when He comes. But the evil servant whom is not ready but says our Lord delays He shall cut asunder and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Matt 24:45-51

And that is not it. Still in the same context He continues but adds something to His coming in the clouds to gather the elect. He calls us who are waiting the Kingdom of Heaven. And in this compares us to virgins who are awaiting the bride-groom and need to be wise and make sure we our Lamps are trimmed and full so that we are able to see our Lord when He comes to take us to be His wife. Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh to gather His Bride, the elect.

Matt 25:1-13

And if that were not enough, He continues with the same premise of His coming in the clouds with His angels to gather the elect and the passing of Judgement. And as He continues he goes on to call us His servants the Kingdom of Heaven and say we His servant have received talents, goods and that when He comes back he expects to see that there has been an increase to what He has given us. And if there is no increase we will be cast out unto utter darkness, there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Matt 25:14-30

Then Jesus speaks more bluntly. He says directly that when He comes in his glory with the Angels He shall sit in the throne of judgement and gather ALL nations before Him. And He shall divide the sheep from the goats. The sheep to the right, the goats unto the left. Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world. But unto the left, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

Matt 25:31-46

So, in closing all this has not been fulfilled because Jesus has not come in the clouds to gather the elect for the final judgment. And as was shown above all this is connected closely in time. SO the abomination of desolation and great tribulation has not happened yet. Nor has the Sun been darkened in respect to this prophecy as well as the stars falling and the moon not giving her light anymore. All these things are closely connected in time. And when it starts we shal know His second coming and judgment is close. And the end of this age is near.

So pray as our Lord Jesus Christ instructed that when the great tribulation starts right after the abomination of desolation, that our flight from it not be in the winter nor the Sabbath Day. The winter because it will make our journey even more difficult. And the Sabbath because on the Seventh Day we will be resting from our secular labors and in keeping the Day Holy we will be caught up in worship and what not and will be caught off guard.

 

[Guojing]

Matthew 24 shows us that our Lord Jesus Christ expects us to be keeping the Sabbath up to His second coming. So why are you not keeping it?

If someone tells you that Genesis 6:14 "shows us that God expects us to be building an ark today. So why are you not building it?"

What would your response be?

 

[HIM]

If someone tells you that Genesis 6:14 "shows us that God expects us to be building an ark today. So why are you not building it?"

What would your response be?

Answer the points given about Mathew 24 within the passages sited or not. Your question is a rabbit hole we will not entertain.

 

[Douggg]

The abomination of desolation is the culmination of the signs in which we will see in relation to the question as to when the end is. Verses 6 and 13 solidify this context in that they mention the end. When we see the abomination of desolation standing in the holy place we are instructed, if in Judea to flee into the Mountains quickly.

In Matthew 24:15, when the Jews in Judeah see the abomination of desolation standing in the holy place, they should flee to the mountains.

The abomination of desolation is found in Daniel 12:11-12 and will take place at the time of the end as is stated in Daniel 12:9.

Although Daniel wrote everything down that we read in Daniel 12, Daniel himself was not speaking in Daniel 11-12. It is the angel speaking - who in Daniel 10:24 said...

Daniel 10:14 Now I am come to make thee understand what shall befall thy people in the latter days: for yet the vision is for many days.

Daniel spoke of the abomination of desolation in the sense that Daniel wrote everything down, and spoke to the people of his day about it.

So Jesus's statement of praying that the abomination of desolation standing in the holy not take place on the Sabbath - is applying to Jews (not Christians), who as part of their adherence to the Mt. Sinai covenant are limited to how far they can travel on the Sabbath.

Jesus is not expecting Christians to keep the Sabbath. Keeping the Sabbath is an SDA belief that you are striving to justify in your opening post.

 

[Guojing]

Answer the points given about Mathew 24 within the passages sited or not. Your question is a rabbit hole we will not entertain.

So why is your question "Matthew 24 shows us that our Lord Jesus Christ expects us to be keeping the Sabbath up to His second coming. So why are you not keeping it?"

likewise?

 

[HIM]

So why is your question "Matthew 24 shows us that our Lord Jesus Christ expects us to be keeping the Sabbath up to His second coming. So why are you not keeping it?"

Because Matt 24 is clear that Jesus expects His followers to.

likewise?

Another rabbit hole. Deal with the facts shared in the post please.

But to answer your question we do rest from our physical Labor on the day that God blessed and sanctified because of finishing His Creation. And in and through Jesus we keep the day holy as the 4th says to do.

 

[HIM]

In Matthew 24:15, when the Jews in Judeah see the abomination of desolation standing in the holy place, they should flee to the mountains.

The abomination of desolation is found in Daniel 12:11-12 and will take place at the time of the end as is stated in Daniel 12:9.

Although Daniel wrote everything down that we read in Daniel 12, Daniel himself was not speaking in Daniel 11-12. It is the angel speaking - who in Daniel 10:24 said...

Daniel 10:14 Now I am come to make thee understand what shall befall thy people in the latter days: for yet the vision is for many days.

Daniel spoke of the abomination of desolation in the sense that Daniel wrote everything down, and spoke to the people of his day about it.

So Jesus's statement of praying that the abomination of desolation standing in the holy not take place on the Sabbath - is applying to Jews (not Christians), who as part of their adherence to the Mt. Sinai covenant are limited to how far they can travel on the Sabbath.

Jesus is not expecting Christians to keep the Sabbath. Keeping the Sabbath is an SDA belief that you are striving to justify in your opening post.

Address the points of the OP please. All you are doing is posting a view without dealing with the points made in the post in respect to the grammar and context of Matt 24.

 

[Douggg]

Address the points of the OP please. All you are doing is posting a view without dealing with the points made in the post in respect to the grammar and context of Matt 24.

I did reply to comments you made in your OP. Go to my post #74 and you will see I replied to what you wrote.

I don't see anything your OP pointing to what Daniel wrote in Daniel 12 regarding the abomination of desolation to take place at the time of the end. (Daniel 12:9) in Daniel 12:11-12. Daniel 12 is about what will befall Daniel's people the Jews at the time of the end, Daniel 10:14.

Matthew 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand: )

Jews (Judasim) are limited in adherence to their beliefs to how far they can travel on the sabbath. Christians are not.

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Are you SDA ? There are 21 million SDA's worldwide.

 

[HIM]

I did reply to comments you made in your OP. Go to my post #74 and you will see I replied to what you wrote.

There are points made that are facts in respect the grammar and context of Matt 24 in the OP. These you have not addressed. All you done was post an opinion based on what you think without addressing the facts shared in the OP that show other wise.

Are you SDA ?

Why does that matter? Truth stands regardless.
But so as we don't go off on a tangent, no I am not. But I do worship with them from time to time. And a lot of my friends are.

 

[daq]

Why does everyone appear to assume that everything in the Olivet Discourse pertains to one-time historical fulfillments when he himself plainly states in the same passage that the heavens and the earth shall pass away but his words shall not pass away? (Mat 24:35, Mrk 13:31, Luk 21:33). That statement applies to everything in the passage, as well as to all of his Testimony, and therefore it is not speaking of natural minded physical-historical things that come to pass and therefore become obsolete upon a one-time fulfillment. The Gospel is personal, individual, and private: to each in his or her own appointed times, times appointed of the Father.

If anyone actually believes his words then none of the following is ever going to pass away:

Matthew 24:4-15 ASV
4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man lead you astray.
5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am the Christ; and shall lead many astray.
6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumors of wars; see that ye be not troubled: for these things must needs come to pass; but the end is not yet.
7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom; and there shall be famines and earthquakes in divers places.
8 But all these things are the beginning of travail.
9 Then shall they deliver you up unto tribulation, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all the nations for my name's sake.
10 And then shall many stumble, and shall deliver up one another, and shall hate one another.
11 And many false prophets shall arise, and shall lead many astray.
12 And because iniquity shall be multiplied, the love of the many shall wax cold.
13 But he that endureth to the end, the same shall be saved.
14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in the whole world for a testimony unto all the nations; and then shall the end come.
15 When therefore ye see the abomination of desolation, which was spoken of through Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place (let him that readeth understand),

Neither shall any of the following words ever pass away:

Matthew 24:23-25 ASV
23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is the Christ, or, Here; believe it not.
24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders; so as to lead astray, if possible, even the elect.
25 Behold, I have told you beforehand.

Luke 17:20-21 ASV
20 And being asked by the Pharisees when the kingdom of God cometh, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:
21 neither shall they say, Lo, here! or, There! for lo, the kingdom of God is within you.

Most here appear to be preaching a false narrative of singular one-time physical world events which ignore the Testimony of the Master in the Gospel accounts, and which necessarily mean that after those supposed one-time events take place on the world stage his words would no longer be relevant to be watching for because they will have come to pass, (and therefore those words will have passed away regarding anyone born after the fact, living after the time of fulfillment). Moreover his apostles also teach against the modern prevailing dispensationist-futurist natural minded view which believes the apocalypse will be televised, and will occur according to their favorite Armageddon maps of the Middle East: your apocalypse will not be televised, for the kingdom of Elohim does not come with ocular-visual observation, for the kingdom of Elohim is within you.

It is catastrophic to separate Bible prophecy from the Testimony of the Master.

John 14:19-23 ASV
19 Yet a little while, and the world beholdeth me no more; but ye behold me: because I live, ye shall live also.
20 In that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you.
21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself unto him.
22 Judas (not Iscariot) saith unto him, Lord, what is come to pass that thou wilt manifest thyself unto us, and not unto the world?
23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my word: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.