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[bekkilyn]

Providing Trump and his biggest fans with a safe room, where they can play games with reality without harming anyone else would be a great option. There’s plenty of space on the moon, or just out in the ocean somewhere where some sort of gilded box with a few fast food franchises built in could be floated. I’m sure plenty of people would be happy to chip in.

Are they the same ones who think the moon landing was fake? If that's the case, then the moon probably wouldn't be an option, but as you've said, there is plenty of space out in the ocean! (At least until the sea monsters find out about them!)

 

[NotreDame]

Do you not realize eywitness is considered evidence? Yet you all seem to be mentally blocking that out, as you keep asking for evidence. I honestly don't get it...common denial? What?

What eyewitnesses? Tell me which lawsuit has so far produced eyewitnesses? Then tell me specifically what they witnessed? Next, what was the outcome of those lawsuits with those eyewitnesses?

Having an eyewitness is dispositive. The substance of the eyewitness testimony is relevant. What they witnessed is relevant. Their credibility is relevant. Physical evidence corroborating what they say is relevant.

So, it is merely edifying to tell everyone eyewitnesses testimony is evidence. This is but a truism. So what? More is needed, some of which I mentioned in the preceding paragraph.

 

[NotreDame]

You really arent aware of the claims of eyewitness.

And yet, you didn’t answer the poster’s query. What eyewitnesses are you specifically referencing? What are they saying they saw? If this is in regards to a lawsuit, which one?

 

[NotreDame]

Is that to say no eyewitness evidence will ever be useful in this case?

Perhaps the more accurate question is can you, or have these lawsuits, produced eyewitness evidence that is “useful” to establishing Trump’s allegation of fraud or the legal claims?

 

[KCfromNC]

The issue is what is the TRUTH? Were the votes flipped, padded, scammed...or were they nothing of the sort? They are in dispute.

No they aren't - at least not by anyone who has reviewed the evidence and found a complete lack of reasons to thing there was widespread election fraud. There's a reason Donald's team keeps losing in court.

 

[FireDragon76]

The burden of proof is always on those making extraordinary claims.

 

[TLK Valentine]

The burden of proof is always on those making extraordinary claims.

Well, that's the problem... to Donald's followers, the notion that he could ever fail -- in spite of seeing him do it time after time over four years -- is considered quite "extraordinary."

 

[Kenny'sID]

What eyewitnesses? Tell me which lawsuit has so far produced eyewitnesses?

And yet, you didn’t answer the poster’s query. What eyewitnesses are you specifically referencing?

Perhaps the more accurate question is can you, or have these lawsuits, produced eyewitness evidence that is “useful” to establishing Trump’s allegation of fraud or the legal claims?

I take their word for the fact hey have eyewitnesses. If you dont blieve them, that is fine. They will have to do the producing, and we will have to see about the outcome.

IOW, we have yet to see if there is anything to their claims of eywitnesses, but the fact remains, as i said, eyewitness is considered evidence, so nothing to get so riled up over.

 

[TLK Valentine]

I take their word for the fact hey have eyewitnesses.

You'd be a welcome addition to any poker tournament.

If you dont blieve them, that is fine. They will have to do the producing, and we will have to see about the outcome.

They've failed to produce in about 40 courtrooms thus far -- any idea what they've been waiting for?

IOW, we have yet to see if there is anything to their claims of eywitnesses, but the fact remains, as i said, eyewitness is considered evidence, so nothing to get so riled up over.

Eyewitnesses are only analogous to "evidence"

1. if they exist,
2. if they actually witnessed something relevant,
3. if they're credible.

Team Donald has some mighty big hurdles to overcome.

 

[Triumvirate]

Well, that's the problem... to Donald's followers, the notion that he could ever fail -- in spite of seeing him do it time after time over four years -- is considered quite "extraordinary."

And what this is really about is the idea that they might have personally failed - sinned, even - in backing him - and in backing other retrograde ideas for far longer than four years.

Can't be that. It must be that everyone else is wrong.

 

[TLK Valentine]

The issue is what is the TRUTH?

The truth is that Donald lost by a landslide.

Were the votes flipped, padded, scammed...or were they nothing of the sort?

Nothing of the sort. The people have spoken. Donald lost.

They are in dispute.

As is the roundness of the Earth. What of it?

Careful with those pikes, historical examples have shown them to be fickle.

As are angry mobs -- by Donald has no problems using them.

"Careful" is for people who consider consequences.

 

[Kenny'sID]

You'd be a welcome addition to any poker tournament.



They've failed to produce in about 40 courtrooms thus far -- any idea what they've been waiting for?



Eyewitnesses are only analogous to "evidence"

1. if they exist,
2. if they actually witnessed something relevant,
3. if they're credible.

Team Donald has some mighty big hurdles to overcome.

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Did you not see the part of my post that said we wil have to wait and see.

Patience

 

[TLK Valentine]

And what this is really about is the idea that they might have personally failed - sinned, even - in backing him - and in backing other retrograde ideas for far longer than four years.

Can't be that. It must be that everyone else is wrong.

But of course -- if Donald has failed, his followers must have failed even more, as Donald is threatened by anyone better then him in any way.

 

[TLK Valentine]

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Did you not see the part of my post that said we wil have to wait and see.

Patience

Have you not been seeing everything thus far?

If I may use a football analogy:

It's the last week of the regular season, and your team has a 0-15 record.

You're saying "wait and see" for the Super Bowl victory party.

 

[Triumvirate]

Have you not been seeing everything thus far?

If I may use a football analogy:

It's the last week of the regular season, and your team has a 0-15 record.

You're saying "wait and see" for the Super Bowl victory party.

Personally I'm quite happy for these people to keep believing that continual epic failure is part of some overarching plan. Might keep them out of trouble.

 

[Kenny'sID]

Have you not been seeing everything thus far?

If I may use a football analogy:

It's the last week of the regular season, and your team has a 0-15 record.

You're saying "wait and see" for the Super Bowl victory party.

Of course I've seen everything. I suppose some of us are just a bit more patient than others here.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Personally I'm quite happy for these people to keep believing that continual epic failure is part of some overarching plan. Might keep them out of trouble.

As amusing as that notion is; we can't afford to be as shortsighted of the consequences as our opposition. The longer this farce continues, the harder the crash when it eventually comes to an end.

The followers are frightened enough at the prospect of a post-Donald America... the sooner they face reality, the easier the emotional recovery.

Kind of like tearing off a band-aid... get it over with, you know?

 

[TLK Valentine]

Of course I've seen everything. I suppose some of us are just a bit more patient than others here.

Well, when your team goes 0-16, you can order those playoff tickets and make arrangements for the victory parade.

 

[ananda]

Links?

"U.S. Supreme Court: In Republican Party of Pennsylvania v. Boockvar ... Active"
"Pennsylvania Supreme Court: The Trump campaign appealed a Philadelphia County Board of Elections decision ... Active"
"Wisconsin Supreme Court: In Wisconsin Voters Alliance v. Wisconsin Election Commission ... Active"
"Minnesota Supreme Court: In Kistner v. Simon ... Active"
(source)

Etc.

 

[Kenny'sID]

Well, when your team goes 0-16, you can order those playoff tickets and make arrangements for the victory parade.

All this anger....oh my.