Einstein, Philosophy and [you guessed it!]

[Neogaia777]

If I was to try and have the same attitude as Albert Einstein, and apply it to the subject of religion, or religions that believe in the Bible, or the Torah at least, or God as he was in the Old Testament of the Bible, and Christianity, etc, I might start with it's claims to start, etc. And I would state (for example) that it claims there was a God of the Bible or of the Old Testament in the religions that believe in the Bible and/or Christianity, or the Old Testament, or the Torah, etc, and start with that, etc. And then I would also try to follow reason from there also, etc.

Like is there a quote/unquote "God" of the whole entire universe, etc, and how I would reason that if there is, I don't think he could be like a man, or like people, or like Jesus Christ, or like God how he is described by men in the OT, and I would start with that there, etc. Now I have chosen to "think" that there is some kind of quote/uquote "God" of the universe, but this is only what I have chosen to "think" about it, etc. Others may think differently, etc. But I also cannot deny that if there is a quote/unquote "God" of the whole entire universe, then he/she/him/it cannot be anything like a man or a woman, or like people, or even like Jesus Christ, or God of the Bible in the Old Testament as he is described by other men, etc.

But I've chosen to "think" that the Old Testament of our Bibles was not lying about some things when it came to this and that there is such a "god-like" being that was actually there and was actually at that time exactly as men were describing him in the OT, etc. But I think if he truly was real and does actually exist but also is not the God of the whole entire universe, etc, then he has to be God the (Holy) Spirit, or it's either that, or no such God exists, etc. And it was Jesus Christ who gave this to me about him, otherwise I might have concluded that no such God exists, etc.

I think (or have reasoned) that both of these "persons" (Jesus Christ and God the Holy Spirit/God in the Old Testament) if they exist, (which I believe they do, or did), are a lot more like people or human beings than they are like the God of the whole entire universe would be, and that these three are separate entities, with only the God of the whole entire universe being the greatest or highest (one) that is not at all like people, or as human beings are or would be, or were, etc. But these are things (some of them) that I've chosen to think with some of them (some of these "ideas", etc), as there is no absolute proof for a lot of this, but it's what I've chosen to think/believe, etc.

And I think with the exception of what parts I've chosen to think, by having the right attitude, etc, and following logic and reason from there, etc, and in reconciling them, etc. Part of doing that is when choosing to accept some things as true or not true, is by saying/thinking "if this or that is true, and some other things may or might not be true, or maybe even if they are true, or your trying to reconcile two truths, etc, then how do you choose to reconcile those truths, or not-truths", etc, and I think this is what I have been doing for the most part, and have been trying to be as 100% objective as possible, etc.

An example of this is how I tried to think with the same kind of attitude Einstein had when trying to reconcile two different or contradictory things he thought to be both true, etc, was by trying to find out what would need to be changed to be true if they were both true, etc, and I have come up with some new possibilities by doing this I think, etc. One is a possibility that's still possible is how a literal Garden of Eden and Adam and Eve can be true, but also some humans coming about by the processes of natural evolution can still be 100% true, etc. To the rest of you right now it might just be a "possibly maybe" right now, etc, but for me right now, until the possibility can be disproven as cannot at all be true, etc, it's what I have chosen to think could be true right now, etc.

These are just a few examples, and I'm only using these examples as an illustration, and because it's what I know, etc, but my point being that when trying tackle any kind of area of inquiry or field of study, this having the right kind of mind, or mental state or attitude, is paramount, etc, and often determines how far your truly going to be able to go in it, or with what your truly going to be able to do with it, and that's more my point, etc.

Take Care/God Bless.

 

[SelfSim]

A smart person with a big ego can talk a lot, and seem pretty knowledgeable about some things, etc, but when you really get down to really getting to know them, if you discover and over-inflated ego,
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This is not true of all smart people however, so don't ever underestimate a smart person until you've gotten a chance to truly get to know them, or you'll be the one who winds up looking stupid, etc.

(.. with 'looking stupid' being of serious damage to those who go looking for over inflated egos in smart people in the first place).

 

[Neogaia777]

(.. with 'looking stupid' being of serious damage to those who go looking for over inflated egos in smart people in the first place).

I added to the post you just quoted some, so might want to go back and re-read it maybe, etc.

But no, ego problems don't seem to discriminate much between smart or stupid people, or anyone in-between, but either way it's bad for either one or any and all though, and does make a smart person actually stupid, etc.

And, no, you don't have to be/go looking for it either, not if your a person keeping yours in check, because if you are with yours, then the other ones won't be able to help itself from being blatantly obvious, etc, and the only one who might have to go looking for it later, is them, etc, if they no longer want anymore of their own future growth to be stunted, etc.

Take Care.

 

[SelfSim]

I added to the post you just quoted some, so might want to go back and re-read it maybe, etc.

Nope .. its still all just your opinions ..

But no, ego problems don't seem to discriminate much between smart or stupid people, or anyone in-between, but either way it's bad for either one or any and all though, and does make a smart person actually stupid, etc.

And, no, you don't have to be/go looking for it either, not if your a person keeping yours in check, because if you are with yours, then the other ones won't be able to help itself from being blatantly obvious, etc, and the only one who might have to go looking for it later, is them, etc, if they no longer want anymore of their own future growth to be stunted, etc.

Take Care.

Still no justifications of your opinions there ..
Why would I listen to those?

 

[Neogaia777]

Nope .. its still all just your opinions ..

Still no justifications of your opinions there ..
Why would I listen to those?

So, is it your opinion then that a person having an over-inflated ego is somehow beneficial to learning then?

 

[Neogaia777]

@SelfSim

Look, I'm not calling anybody out at all on here, etc. I know I can't know enough about any of you on here to know if you either do or don't struggle with this or not, or even if it's an issue for you or not, etc, as I don't think I can know that for sure about any of you on here, etc. But, if we met face to face or talked in person, or person to person for a little while, in just normal conversation, etc, I wouldn't be able to help but to tell whether you struggle with this or not eventually, etc. And the second someone realizes that you do, then you automatically become a little bit less in their eyes, etc. Because maybe they looked up to you, and maybe now they're a little bit disappointed, and you have now just become a little bit less in their eyes, etc.

Take Care.

 

[2PhiloVoid]

If I was to try and have the same attitude as Albert Einstein, and apply it to the subject of religion, or religions that believe in the Bible, or the Torah at least, or God as he was in the Old Testament of the Bible, and Christianity, etc, I might start with it's claims to start, etc. And I would state (for example) that it claims there was a God of the Bible or of the Old Testament in the religions that believe in the Bible and/or Christianity, or the Old Testament, or the Torah, etc, and start with that, etc. And then I would also try to follow reason from there also, etc.

I have no problem with you doing that, Neo. In fact, those are some good initial steps for us to work with. It'd be difficult to disregard the Lord and have integrity if we didn't actually read and know what is in the Bible first.

Like is there a quote/unquote "God" of the whole entire universe, etc, and how I would reason that if there is, I don't think he could be like a man, or like people, or like Jesus Christ, or like God how he is described by men in the OT, and I would start with that there, etc. Now I have chosen to "think" that there is some kind of quote/uquote "God" of the universe, but this is only what I have chosen to "think" about it, etc. Others may think differently, etc. But I also cannot deny that if there is a quote/unquote "God" of the whole entire universe, then he/she/him/it cannot be anything like a man or a woman, or like people, or even like Jesus Christ, or God of the Bible in the Old Testament as he is described by other men, etc.

Identifying differences between entities like "God" and "man" and "woman" is a legitimate task. Not everyone these days, even after thousands of years of mass reflection, is able to have the discernment you do in this.

But I've chosen to "think" that the Old Testament of our Bibles was not lying about some things when it came to this and that there is such a "god-like" being that was actually there and was actually at that time exactly as men were describing him in the OT, etc. But I think if he truly was real and does actually exist but also is not the God of the whole entire universe, etc, then he has to be God the (Holy) Spirit, or it's either that, or no such God exists, etc. And it was Jesus Christ who gave this to me about him, otherwise I might have concluded that no such God exists, etc.

You and I are similar in that respect: we both feel like it was Jesus Christ who set us on the right direction to realize God exists. That's always good for me to hear, brother.

I think (or have reasoned) that both of these "persons" (Jesus Christ and God the Holy Spirit/God in the Old Testament) if they exist, (which I believe they do, or did), are a lot more like people or human beings than they are like the God of the whole entire universe would be, and that these three are separate entities, with only the God of the whole entire universe being the greatest or highest (one) that is not at all like people, or as human beings are or would be, or were, etc. But these are things (some of them) that I've chosen to think with some of them (some of these "ideas", etc), as there is no absolute proof for a lot of this, but it's what I've chosen to think/believe, etc.

And each of us will come to the idea of the Trinity with our own perceptions of it. But it's good to listen to other Christians, too, since God is working in them as well.

And I think with the exception of what parts I've chosen to think, by having the right attitude, etc, and following logic and reason from there, etc, and in reconciling them, etc. Part of doing that is when choosing to accept some things as true or not true, is by saying/thinking "if this or that is true, and some other things may or might not be true, or maybe even if they are true, or your trying to reconcile two truths, etc, then how do you choose to reconcile those truths, or not-truths", etc, and I think this is what I have been doing for the most part, and have been trying to be as 100% objective as possible, etc.

It's always commendable to follow logic and reason, Neo. What form of reasoning do you like to do most? Deductive, Inductive, Abductive, Modal? I'm just wondering.

An example of this is how I tried to think with the same kind of attitude Einstein had when trying to reconcile two different or contradictory things he thought to be both true, etc, was by trying to find out what would need to be changed to be true if they were both true, etc, and I have come up with some new possibilities by doing this I think, etc. One is a possibility that's still possible is how a literal Garden of Eden and Adam and Eve can be true, but also some humans coming about by the processes of natural evolution can still be 100% true, etc. To the rest of you right now it might just be a "possibly maybe" right now, etc, but for me right now, until the possibility can be disproven as cannot at all be true, etc, it's what I have chosen to think could be true right now, etc.

That's fine by me, Neo.

These are just a few examples, and I'm only using these examples as an illustration, and because it's what I know, etc, but my point being that when trying tackle any kind of area of inquiry or field of study, this having the right kind of mind, or mental state or attitude, is paramount, etc, and often determines how far your truly going to be able to go in it, or with what your truly going to be able to do with it, and that's more my point, etc.

Take Care/God Bless.

Alright. Cool. Thanks for sharing all of that.

 

[Neogaia777]

So, is it your opinion then that a person having an over-inflated ego is somehow beneficial to learning then?

A person could have an over-inflated ego and still be or become an expert in a particular field, but without becoming much more grounded, they will never get to know much of anything more beyond that particular field, or box, etc. And the second you realize this about someone, they automatically become a little bit less in your eyes, when that's maybe not what you were looking for, or wanted to happen, but it just did after a little while of getting to know them, etc.

God Bless.

 

[SelfSim]

So, is it your opinion then that a person having an over-inflated ego is somehow beneficial to learning then?

I guess I would have learned what an over-inflated ego was from them.

 

[2PhiloVoid]

Keeping ourselves in check, followed up by more keeping ourselves in check, followed up by more and more and more continual checking to keep ourselves in check, etc, etc, etc. Watch those egos very, very closely, and continually, etc.

A smart person with a big ego can talk a lot, and seem pretty knowledgeable about some things, etc, but when you really get down to really getting to know them, if you discover and over-inflated ego, you may be very shocked and surprised to find out that they're actually pretty stupid, etc. And you don't want to become one of those people in your endeavors, etc.

This is not true of all smart people however, so don't ever underestimate a smart person until you've gotten a chance to truly get to know them, or you'll be the one who winds up looking stupid, etc. And in fact, there are actually a lot of smart people who actually don't have over-inflated egos believe it or not, and it's part of how they became smart, so don't ever underestimate them. I'm just mainly saying that there are some that are, or do have a problem with their own egos, etc, and it makes those ones actually stupid, etc.

God Bless.

You're definitely right about all of that. I do try to keep my ego inflated at only the proper number of pounds per square inch because I'd hate for it to blow up and............well, if it did, I wouldn't be going very far very fast, would I?

 

[SelfSim]

@SelfSim

Look, I'm not calling anybody out at all on here, etc. I know I can't know enough about any of you on here to know if you either do or don't struggle with this or not, or even if it's an issue for you or not, etc, as I don't think I can know that for sure about any of you on here, etc. But, if we met face to face or talked in person, or person to person for a little while, in just normal conversation, etc, I wouldn't be able to help but to tell whether you struggle with this or not eventually, etc. And the second someone realizes that you do, then you automatically become a little bit less in their eyes, etc. Because maybe they looked up to you, and maybe now they're a little bit disappointed, and you have now just become a little bit less in their eyes, etc.

So what?

 

[Neogaia777]

It's always commendable to follow logic and reason, Neo. What form of reasoning do you like to do most? Deductive, Inductive, Abductive, Modal? I'm just wondering.

I just sit around and think a lot man. To me reasoning is just reasoning using facts/not facts, and logic, and finding ways to reconcile those, etc. But I probably will do a quick Google search right after this on the different forms of reasoning, just so I can now know about it more in the future now though, etc.

Alright. Cool. Thanks for sharing all of that.

You're welcome man.

Stick with God and Jesus Christ.

God Bless.

 

[SelfSim]

You're definitely right about all of that. I do try to keep my ego inflated at only the proper number of pounds per square inch because I'd hate for it to blow up and............well, if it did, I wouldn't be going very far very fast, would I?

You give your agreement there, on the basis of what, exactly?
I've learned heaps from some of the most out of control egos one could imagine!
It didn't stop my learning.

 

[Neogaia777]

I guess I would have learned what an over-inflated ego was from them.

Mostly you learn that from yourself first, and then and only then does it start to become much more obvious and apparent in others.

Take Care.

 

[2PhiloVoid]

You give your agreement there, on the basis of what, exactly?
I've learned heaps from some of the most out of control egos one could imagine!
It didn't stop my learning.

I give my agreement because: 1) it's biblical, and 2) because he's a fellow Christian and that's what we're supposed to do for each other. (?)

 

[Neogaia777]

You give your agreement there, on the basis of what, exactly?
I've learned heaps from some of the most out of control egos one could imagine!
It didn't stop my learning.

Of course it didn't stop your learning, but after a while you begin to realize there is only so much you can learn from those others before you have to move or go on to learn more from other people, etc.

 

[SelfSim]

It's always commendable to follow logic and reason, Neo. What form of reasoning do you like to do most? Deductive, Inductive, Abductive, Modal? I'm just wondering.

I just sit around and think a lot man. To me reasoning is just reasoning using facts/not facts, and logic, and finding ways to reconcile those, etc. But I probably will do a quick Google search right after this on the different forms of reasoning, just so I can now know about it more in the future now though, etc.

Alright. Cool. Thanks for sharing all of that.

You're welcome man.

Stick with God and Jesus Christ.

God Bless.

Oh brotha!

 

[SelfSim]

I give my agreement because: 1) it's biblical, and 2) because he's a fellow Christian and that's what we're supposed to do for each other. (?)

What .. just promote opinions??

 

[2PhiloVoid]

You give your agreement there, on the basis of what, exactly?
I've learned heaps from some of the most out of control egos one could imagine!
It didn't stop my learning.

By the way, do you have any comments on the OP article? I'm just wondering since you already seem to be in the know regarding the issues involved within that moderate read.

 

[Neogaia777]

Ya'll so divisive, stop that would ya.

God Bless.