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Ecumenical Excesses

Discussion in 'One Bread, One Body - Catholic' started by Dominus Fidelis, Aug 24, 2005.

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  1. Rising_Suns

    Rising_Suns 'Christ's desolate heart is in need of comfort'

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    Right, and again, not all Protestants believe in "faith alone".
     
  2. Benedicta00

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    RS- you really are barking up the wrong tree comparing apples to oranges by bringing the EO into this, they are true Churches establish by the apostles who is in schism with one bishop in particular, they do not even compare to Luther or henry’s dissent.

    They also have confession- VALID preists, so if they were to commune, we know they get it- you have to go to confession first least you take in judgment of your sins and condemn yourself.

    Are you willing to chuck confession too for ecumenism davide?
     
  3. lonnienord

    lonnienord Keep Praying!!

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    When i say Amen i am saying Amen to the fact that i am recieving JESUS. I have never heard that when you say amen you are saying that i am in union with the Bishop of Rome. Why do you think "Amen" means that?????????????:scratch: :scratch: :scratch:
     
  4. Benedicta00

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    yes, but have they gone to confession?
     
  5. lonnienord

    lonnienord Keep Praying!!

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    Why do you have to be Catholic in order to recieve JESUS???????

    of course aren't all baptised christians Catholic? We recognize all baptism that is done properly.
     
  6. Benedicta00

    Benedicta00 Well-Known Member

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    Lonnie-

    the Church has always taught this. Please look it up.
     
  7. lonnienord

    lonnienord Keep Praying!!

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    have they been told they must go to confession?
     
  8. Benedicta00

    Benedicta00 Well-Known Member

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    Lonnie, PLEASEEEEEEEEEE do not get offended but where do you learn about the catholic faith? This stuff I am saying is basic.
     
  9. lonnienord

    lonnienord Keep Praying!!

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    i have been a Catholic for 30 years went to mass every sunday and many many times during the week and i've never heard this. Where do you suggest i look it up???
     
  10. Benedicta00

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    Like- Yeah!!
     
  11. Milla

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    This would carry a lot more weight if you cited an offical Church source :)
     
  12. Benedicta00

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    Every catechism the Church ever printed.


    Lonnie, you really never heard that you have to be Catholic to take communion at Mass? You really never knew you have to go to confession if you have never been before to take it for the first time and every time you are in sin?

    Do you watch the Mass on EWTN? They explain the requirements before every mass.
     
  13. lonnienord

    lonnienord Keep Praying!!

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    i am a convert 30 years ago. 6 years ago i sponsored a convert and went through RCIA. I have read the Catachism of the Catholic Church; and most of the documents of Vatican two. I go do mass and listen to the homily weekly for 30 years and daily for the last 6 months.

    what you are saying may be basic but i honstly have never heard that "Amen" means anything more than that i acknowledge that i am recieving the Body of JESUS
     
  14. Miss Shelby

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    One has to be baptized and receive the Holy Sacrament of First Communion and First Confession in order to receive communion. (and Confirmation and if they're an adult)

    If all that was required to receive was belief, then why would people have to go through the initiation rite and be received into the Church? They don't let the candidates receive until they are fully intiated. Think about it.

    Michelle
     
  15. Benedicta00

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    It's on the back of the missel!

    Am I in the twilight zone here???

    You have to be a catholic to take communion at a catholic mass, you can not take communion with out prior sacramental confession if you have mortal sin on your soul least you take it in judgement of yourself.

    In RCIA- you have to wait until your convert at the vigil and have made a prior sacramental confession before you can receive communion.
     
  16. lonnienord

    lonnienord Keep Praying!!

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    I know the requirement that one be Catholic and be in a state of grace (yes i do watch mass on EWTN. I believe the pope, cardnal and bishops can allow non catholics to recieve communion. I also think that if we had a class and explained transubstansation and confession and the state of grace we could (if the teaching authority of the Church agreed) allow non catholics to recieve communion. (of course i don't really mean that cause since i think all baptised people are Catholics i would expect that we would only allow baptised people ie Catholics to partake)
     
  17. Benedicta00

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    Lonnie read the missel next time you are in church- ask the priest- if I am lying …I am dying.

    When you say Amen you are saying that you believe all that the Church purposes for your belief in union with the pope.

    When you were in RCIA when were you allowed to take communion?
     
  18. Milla

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    Yes, but this:



    Is what I am asking you to support with sources. It would seem to me to be inaccurate, because as we all know, the RCC allows Orthodox to take communion, and they do not acknowledge the Pope as supreme leader of the Church on earth.
     
  19. D'Ann

    D'Ann Catholic... Faith, Hope and the greatest is LOVE

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    Thank you so much Cat59 for these links. I find the following message very sweet and wonderful. God be with him. God bless you too and your family always.

    Pax,

    Debbie

     
  20. Benedicta00

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    nope.

    That insult how it goes. Dispensation are given in very specific situations like a funeral, like a wedding and only if the person is in danger of death. Love feasts are not a reason. sorry.

    It takes way more that just believing inin the real presence and transubstantiation.

    Communion is our becoming one with God Lonnie, the people are not in union with all that Christ left for us, and they reject his Church Lonnie. Come on, this isn’t that hard to understand why we can not allow them to commune all willy niiy.

    Jesus said he who hears you, hears me. They do not listen to the Church Lonnie, they have made their own church and have made themselves pope.

    I'm not trying to put anyone down but you have to have realized this? They broke away from Jesus’ church.
     
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