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Eastern Orthodox View of the Merits of Works

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Eph 2:
8 "By grace" are ye saved" "through faith" "not of yourselves" it is the "gift" of God

9 "Not of works" (NOT BY OUR WORKS), "lest any man should boast"

The Fruit That Faith Produces, Is Obedience!
So, do you take the view that works earn a higher degree of theosis, but they are God's works done through us?

Cyril of Alexandria writes that-

So even if Abraham was also justified by his willingness to sacrifice Isaac, this must be regarded as an
evident demonstration of a faith which was already very strong.

I take this to mean that the obedience that faith produces is synonymous with faith itself, properly understood. In this sense, faith (properly understood) alone justifies.

Oecuminius seems to agree:

What James is saying here does not contradict the apostle Paul, who understood that both belief and action were a part of what he called “faith”

He also writes:

Abraham is the image of someone who is justified by faith alone, since what he believed was credited to him as righteousness. But he is also approved because of his works, since he offered up his son Isaac on the altar…[H]e remained firmly anchored in his faith, believing that through Isaac his seed would be multiplied as numerous as the stars

Bede writes:

Although the apostle Paul preached that we are justified by faith without works, those who understand by this that it does not matter whether they live evil lives or do wicked and terrible things, as long as they believe in Christ, because salvation is through faith, have made a great mistake....What Paul meant was that no one obtains the gift of justification on the basis of merit derived from works performed beforehand, because the gift of justification comes only from faith

So, would EO affirm that faith alone saves, but that this faith (assuming you live longer than the thief on the cross) substantively has works as its fruits? These works, a gift of God through us, do not merit anything in of themselves. Rather, the relationship we have with God by faith, which produces these works, is where our righteousness comes from.
 
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I find his emphasis on works seemingly contradictory than the emphasis on faith that we can read from Jeremias II, the Fathers, etc. I though truth faith manifests itself in obedience. It appears he is presenting them as mutually exclusive. Help!

You can find both emphases in Orthodoxy, without there being necessarily one systematic attempt at pinning down an ordo salutis.

The Reformation didn't come out of nowhere, after all. The early Fathers, and the EO, have many emphases. Justification by faith is just one. You will especially find an emphasis on works in Tertullian, Cyprian of Carthage, John Cassian and most of the monastics. But that's not to say it is the only emphasis.

The Roman Catholic view of salvation is juridical. It is approaching salvation in terms of satisfaction of justice. That requires a certain amount of merit of good works of some kind, or penance to pay for sins. Scholastic Reformed or Lutheran theology is really just a subset of Latin merit theology on this point.
 
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Abrahams Faith Paul vs Abrahams Obedience James

Parsing:

The two writers reference different time frames & statements in Abraham's life:

Pauls, recorded event is from Gen 15:6 "believed"

James, recorded event is from Gen 22:18 "obeyed"

Now, Contrast the word "believed" in Gen. 15:6 and the word "obeyed" in Gen. 22:18

(Gen:15) Pauls speaks of a time 30-40 years before the time James refers to

In Pauls reference in Gen 15:6 It's Abrahams FAITH that obtains Him Righteousness.

In James reference in Gen 22:18 (30-40 YEARS LATER) Abrahams obedience seen here, is a result of his Faith. Which he abtained 30-40 years earlier.

Romans 1 (NIV)
5 """Through him we received grace""" & apostleship """to call all the Gentiles to the obedience"""
""that comes from faith""" for his name’s sake.
(Thru Him Gentiles receive Faith, that leads to obedience)

Romans 16: 26 but now revealed and made known through the prophetic writings by the command of the eternal God, """so that all the Gentiles might come to the obedience""" """that comes from faith"""
(Gentiles are brought to obedience thru Faith)

We as did Abraham: Obtain Righteousness/Justification:

Eph 2:
8 "By grace" are ye saved" "through faith" "not of yourselves" it is the "gift" of God

9 "Not of works" (NOT BY OUR WORKS), "lest any man should boast"

The Fruit That Faith Produces, Is Obedience!
Yes, this is true. However, once one chooses disobedience faith begins to be lost, being replaced by dead faith and eventually even possibly a rejection of faith altogether. The result of this truth is that faith and obedience grow together, and obedience requires acts of human will to move toward Communion with God in prayer rather than toward a life of self pleasing and sin.

Paul did not just preach "faith" in Jesus Christ. He preaches "repentance unto God" (works of faith) and "faith in Jesus Christ". Paul knows that both are necessary, as without repentance to go along with faith, there is only the dead faith of the demons, "who also believe, and shudder".
 
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Would you be able to tell me what is specifically wrong with the underlined from the EO perspective?

The term "merit" refers in general to the recompense owed

it begins with merits being owed us....that throws it off from the get go.

deserving reward or punishment

we don't deserve reward for what we do, everything given is a gift out of love. God gives us not out of reward vs punishment, but because He loves us. whatever we get is based on our openness to that love.

Moved by the Holy Spirit and by charity, we can then merit for ourselves and for others the graces needed for our sanctification

and with this one, we cannot merit graces for ourselves since grace is God Himself. we cannot merit God
 
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The whole thing from the catechism about merits just feels off. I'm not meaning to be offensive, but these "merits" seem like coinage by which we "purchase" some kind of commodity called "grace".

It just doesn't translate to Orthodoxy, at all, for several reasons that even I can see (I'm only a few years in, what I mean is that others would know even better :) )

As Matt said, we don't view grace as created, but as the energies of God - the very way He interacts with us.

Maybe this will help?

If I'm a bit of a miserly person, but I go out and buy a dinner for a hungry person, or give gifts to the child of a poor family, that is probably going to soften my heart, and I will feel better about doing it. Through that act of giving alms, something has changed in me just the tiniest bit, helped by the working of God in me, and now I'm a little more inclined to be generous - I'm just a little bit more like Jesus now! In a sense, I've crawled an inch along the path to theosis maybe, so I'm a little more "saved". Not in the sense that I paid another installment on my salvation, but in the sense that I'm just a little bit more of the person God is helping me become. And becoming that person, becoming like Christ, is what salvation ultimately looks like.

I didn't work to earn it. It's an organic process. It's part of how God works.

I'm simplifying of course - I hope my more experienced Orthodox brothers and sisters will correct me if that has moved into error, but I hope it helps. :)
 
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If I'm a bit of a miserly person, but I go out and buy a dinner for a hungry person, or give gifts to the child of a poor family, that is probably going to soften my heart, and I will feel better about doing it. Through that act of giving alms, something has changed in me just the tiniest bit, helped by the working of God in me, and now I'm a little more inclined to be generous - I'm just a little bit more like Jesus now! In a sense, I've crawled an inch along the path to theosis maybe, so I'm a little more "saved". Not in the sense that I paid another installment on my salvation, but in the sense that I'm just a little bit more of the person God is helping me become. And becoming that person, becoming like Christ, is what salvation ultimately looks like.
What happens when we die? None of us generally reach theosis. Do we continue this "growing process" after death?

In RCism, we go through purgation after death, for a debt is owed to God that must till be paid.

if we don't achieve full theosis immediately after death, then in some sense we are cut-off from God, maybe not due debt owed as the Roman view states, but due to spiritual immaturity. Thus both views are in fact very similar, just EO does not call it recompense owed to God.

However, the Fathers teach that we are completely righteous, and it is a sudden event:

Oh the great loving-kindness of God! For the righteous were many years in pleasing Him: but what they succeeded in gaining by many years of well-pleasing , this Jesus now bestows on you in a single hour. For if you shall believe that Jesus Christ is Lord, and that God raised Him from the dead, you shall be saved, and shall be transported into Paradise by Him who brought in there the robber. And doubt not whether it is possible; for He who on this sacred Golgotha saved the robber after one single hour of belief, the same shall save you also on your believing (Cyril of Jerusalem, Catechetical Lecture 5, Chap 10).

He does also make them that are filled with the putrefying sores of sin suddenly righteous. And it is to explain this, viz. what is declaring, that he has added, That He might be just, and the justifier of him which believes in Jesus. Doubt not then: for it is not of works, but of faith: and shun not the righteousness of God (Chrysostom, Homily 7 on Romans).

Can we reconcile these ideas? Which ones are not reconcilable?

Please correct me where I'm wrong.
 
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What happens when we die? None of us generally reach theosis. Do we continue this "growing process" after death?

In RCism, we go through purgation after death, for a debt is owed to God that must till be paid.

if we don't achieve full theosis immediately after death, then in some sense we are cut-off from God, maybe not due debt owed as the Roman view states, but due to spiritual immaturity. Thus both views are in fact very similar, just EO does not call it recompense owed to God.

However, the Fathers teach that we are completely righteous, and it is a sudden event:

Oh the great loving-kindness of God! For the righteous were many years in pleasing Him: but what they succeeded in gaining by many years of well-pleasing , this Jesus now bestows on you in a single hour. For if you shall believe that Jesus Christ is Lord, and that God raised Him from the dead, you shall be saved, and shall be transported into Paradise by Him who brought in there the robber. And doubt not whether it is possible; for He who on this sacred Golgotha saved the robber after one single hour of belief, the same shall save you also on your believing (Cyril of Jerusalem, Catechetical Lecture 5, Chap 10).

He does also make them that are filled with the putrefying sores of sin suddenly righteous. And it is to explain this, viz. what is declaring, that he has added, That He might be just, and the justifier of him which believes in Jesus. Doubt not then: for it is not of works, but of faith: and shun not the righteousness of God (Chrysostom, Homily 7 on Romans).

Can we reconcile these ideas? Which ones are not reconcilable?

Please correct me where I'm wrong.

I'm especially asking my more knowledgeable Orthodox brothers and sisters to have mercy on my possible ignorance, and please correct what I reply below if necessary. Thank you!

I'm sure someone else can give you better details.

One does not have to achieve complete theosis before death in order to be saved. In fact ... I think it might be wrong to say theosis has a "finish line" ... it is a stage. Few even enter that stage during life. And it seems to me that even those who do are not having the experience they will have after death, and even less the experience they will have after the final judgement.

Salvation can be achieved in a moment, yes. The theif on the cross did not have much longer than that, and Christ assured him of his salvation.

But the process of theosis - yes, indeed, it will continue forever. Because only God is "I AM". Human beings are creatures, and not static in the way that God is. We can undergo theosis for 10,000,000 x 10,000,000 years, and never reach the degree to which God "Is". Does that make sense?

Now, regarding the idea of some kind of purgation - I am going to be careful here, and please, please ask for correction if need be. I am less sure of my sources, and it is not corroborated to my satisfaction in my own reading. But I have encountered the idea that if necessary, there will be a cleansing of sorts, of residual .... passions? Evil? Sin? I'm not sure what to put there. But if we are unfit, the idea has been put forth that we will be made fit. The idea has also been put forth that we may experience this in a painful way. However, it has also been said that (1) this is a momentary process, and not something taking years, (2) it does not involve "punishment" in any sense. So those would clearly differentiate it from purgatory. (Incidentally, it would also be a necessary process that one could not "buy" nor anyone "merit" for us to escape.)

I think I will stop with those for now. I look forward to any necessary correction, because these are difficult matters for me.
 
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Do we continue this "growing process" after death?

yes, theosis never ends.

if we don't achieve full theosis immediately after death, then in some sense we are cut-off from God, maybe not due debt owed as the Roman view states, but due to spiritual immaturity. Thus both views are in fact very similar, just EO does not call it recompense owed to God.

well, we never attain full theosis ever. God is infinite so we can always become more like Him. how this growth continues is since God became man and took our flesh and made it His own, there is no separation anymore between God and man. in Christ, divinity and humanity are truly one. so we are eternally spiritually maturing in God, ever becoming more like Him without ever becoming Him.

However, the Fathers teach that we are completely righteous, and it is a sudden event:

Oh the great loving-kindness of God! For the righteous were many years in pleasing Him: but what they succeeded in gaining by many years of well-pleasing , this Jesus now bestows on you in a single hour. For if you shall believe that Jesus Christ is Lord, and that God raised Him from the dead, you shall be saved, and shall be transported into Paradise by Him who brought in there the robber. And doubt not whether it is possible; for He who on this sacred Golgotha saved the robber after one single hour of belief, the same shall save you also on your believing (Cyril of Jerusalem, Catechetical Lecture 5, Chap 10).

He does also make them that are filled with the putrefying sores of sin suddenly righteous. And it is to explain this, viz. what is declaring, that he has added, That He might be just, and the justifier of him which believes in Jesus. Doubt not then: for it is not of works, but of faith: and shun not the righteousness of God (Chrysostom, Homily 7 on Romans).

Can we reconcile these ideas? Which ones are not reconcilable?

Please correct me where I'm wrong.

the issue I think is that becoming righteous for a creature is not a static event, it's eternal growth in God's righteousness. since God is the only truly righteous One, true righteousness is eternal and infinite. so every moment, but God's grace, we are becoming suddenly righteous.
 
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Does theosis get easier after death? Are there less impediments without "the flesh?" I imagine being holy in heaven is better than being holy here.

yes, in the sense that you are past the fallenness of the flesh, but it will be even greater after the Resurrection when we are united to our glorified bodies.
 
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Thanks, I am contacting a local priest in order to discuss these things in greater detail.

Recently, at my church I was asked to teach on James 2. The following is what I taught. I think what I taught is consistent with Eastern Orthodoxy on this narrow issue. Being that the following summarizes my thoughts from reading, I appreciate any correction.


 
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Here's a short question: Orthodoxy teaches that God rewards good works, even those done outside of Christ according to the natural Law. However, we know God does not reward works with justification. What is the reward then?

There are different levels of punishment shown in the Bible. A couple examples:

Jude 6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.

Revelation 20:11–15, the people are judged """according to what they had done as recorded in the books"""

Luke 10: Jesus speaks of comparative punishment. First, Jesus says this about a village that rejects the gospel: “I tell you, it will be more bearable on that day for Sodom than for that town” (verse 12). Then He speaks to Bethsaida and Chorazin: “It will be more bearable for Tyre and Sidon at the judgment than for you” (verse 14). Whatever punishment the former residents of Sodom, Tyre, and Sidon were experiencing in hell, the Galilean towns that refused to hear Christ would experience more. The level of punishment will be tied to the amount of light a person rejects.

In a like manner believers receive different levels of reward. A drink of water given in His name receives a reward (Mk 9:41), 5 different Crowns are available. Read the talents Matt 25:14-30. Maranatha
 
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Here's a short question: Orthodoxy teaches that God rewards good works, even those done outside of Christ according to the natural Law. However, we know God does not reward works with justification. What is the reward then?

He is God, He can bless folks any way He sees fit. might not justify them, but a blessing nonetheless. it would depend on that person and what God knows is best for their ultimate good. maybe the blessing is to slowly lead them to where they can accept Christ.
 
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Catholicism teaches that justification increases (i.e. works merit increased justification.) Do EOs believe that justification increases? Do good works, wrought through faith, lead to God blessing us with greater faith and greater works? Is it because God is in fact rewarding the faith, not the works, but that greater faith makes greater works? If we know God blesses us for our good works with increased faith, how is this different than the Catholic view of merit?
 
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What is increased justification?

God may increase faith. He may increase works. He may increase trials. He may send rest. He may send disciples. He may send teachers.

I don't think we can put God in a box and say He WILL DO this or that, except that He will do what He purposes, and it is for our good.

Catholics view grace as a created thing. One can merit grace. God can give x-amount of grace in response to x-amount of prayers/reading/whatever.

Orthodox understand grace to be the Energy of God - the way He interacts with Creation, and the way we can have experience of Him. We never view it as measured or calculated or limited.

Simply, God does what He purposes. And His purposes are always to heal and save us. And He alone knows to best work toward that end for each person. Glory to God! :)
 
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Do EOs believe that justification increases?

yes

Do good works, wrought through faith, lead to God blessing us with greater faith and greater works?

they can because God can do what He wants, but I would also point out that God blessing us with greater faith and greater works both often come with greater crosses to bear.

Is it because God is in fact rewarding the faith, not the works, but that greater faith makes greater works?

God rewards the person, whether greater faith lead to greater works, or greater works lead to greater faith.

If we know God blesses us for our good works with increased faith, how is this different than the Catholic view of merit?

because we have no treasury of merits, there is no superabundance of merits that the saints gave due to their sufferings, grace is not created for us, etc.
 
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A Catholic told me that works increase our degree of theosis, and if justification is theosis, then works increase justification. If this is so, then justification is recompense for works.

not works apart from God's grace or faith. theosis is synergy between God and man. works is only a part of it.

and theosis is much more than being justified.
 
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