Earth is Flat

[Amittai]

It's not something I cared to research. I have no intention knowing or explaining literally every aspect on how Flat Earth works. I wasn't expecting to be debating this topic against non-Christians, that wasn't the point of why I made this thread. As far as I know it's dead, I'm sure there's plenty of other flat earthers or flat earth websites who can explain that to you. Good day

But Kinable, the earth is everybody's.

Also, why don't Christians deserve research? Are we too inferior?

 

[Subduction Zone]

But Kinable, the earth is everybody's.

Also, why don't Christians deserve research? Are we too inferior?

Christians of course do research. There are not any Christian scientists that accept the flat Earth that I know of. As you can see from the debates here, those that believe in the Flat Earth do not want to make a scientific approach to the concept. No one is stopping them from doing so except for themselves of course.

And no group is inferior, but sometimes members of a group can cut themselves off from reality.

 

[sjastro]

Oh, I understood the details of the lie. I have a rather extensive science and math background. It just took me over 40 years to see it was a lie and ther are better explainations out there.

I'm afraid running away or insulting posters who disagree with you is not a demonstration of an extensive science and science background.

In a previous thread you chickened out of was on the subject of equatorial mounts as you have done in this thread.

If you have an extensive knowledge of science and maths you will have no problems in understanding how a telescope equatorial mount works.
Apart from being unable to answer the question of why the angle of the polar axis to the horizon should vary if the Earth is flat or why the mount's declination reading by some amazing coincidence should equal the Earth's latitude where the telescope is located if it was pointed to the zenith, there is another piece of evidence which completely destroys the idea the earth is flat.

If the Earth is spherical then the polar axis of equatorial mounted telescopes anywhere on Earth must point to either the north or south celestial pole in order to be parallel with the Earth's rotation axis.
If the Earth was flat and assuming the rotation axis of the "disk" passed though the plane then the polar axis can be parallel to the rotation axis without having to point to a celestial pole.

Needless to say the evidence shows the former occurs not the latter.

 

[Amittai]

Christians of course do research. There are not any Christian scientists that accept the flat Earth that I know of. As you can see from the debates here, those that believe in the Flat Earth do not want to make a scientific approach to the concept. No one is stopping them from doing so except for themselves of course.

And no group is inferior, but sometimes members of a group can cut themselves off from reality.

Thank you! But the OP had no right to cut off his "co-religionists" with himself!

 

[Blade]

Its really interesting but.. with ever story, vision what have you when people see the earth (take them with a grain of salt) not one has ever seen a flat earth. Maybe a picture laid out but.. never a flat earth always round.

And yet.. there are still places on this earth NO ONE will let you go. How odd.

 

[coffee4u]

Sorry, I've been through this numerous times on this forum. You will always get a subset of the same 15 people who aren't capable of understanding what they see concerning flat earth but will have endless cartloads of crap to say about it. They know everything there is to know about it already. Just ask them. This 'christian' forum isn't friendly to biblical cosmology. Probably never will be.

This isn't the Christian section. This area is open to everyone.
The Christian areas have (Christian only) at the top.

You are completely free to believe in a flat earth, but stop trying to make out it's a Biblical teaching. There is not one scripture saying the earth is flat. I am a believer in sola scriptura and Genesis as literal history and would be the first to take any literal passages of flat earth seriously, I have never found one. To make flat earth a Biblical doctrine you need scripture to back it up with, because without scripture it's simply a man-made position.

 

[Paul4JC]

The ISS don't prove or disprove anything beyond themselves. They didn't exist till recently.

Interesting....

The ISS orbit visualized on the flat earth map (Azimuthal equidistant projection)

 

[Paul4JC]

Its really interesting but.. with ever story, vision what have you when people see the earth (take them with a grain of salt) not one has ever seen a flat earth. Maybe a picture laid out but.. never a flat earth always round.

Where was the Lord Jesus in Matthew 4:8? "Again, the devil took him to a very high mountain and showed him all the kingdoms of the world and their glory."

How did he see all the kingdoms of the world?

 

[prodromos]

This isn't the Christian section. This area is open to everyone.
The Christian areas have (Christian only) at the top

I think the thread got moved by the mods, unless I've got it confused with one of the other flat earth threads.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I think the thread got moved by the mods, unless I've got it confused with one of the other flat earth threads.

I think they move all Flat Earth threads to this section now. Unless they are 'Christian only'.

 

[prodromos]

How did he see all the kingdoms of the world?

Spiritual sight.

 

[Kinable]

those that believe in the Flat Earth do not want to make a scientific approach to the concept

Flat Earth theory is all science. Sonoluminescence explains stars, observing hot spots under the sun shows it's closer than 93 million miles away, observing objects at distances greater than 3-5 miles without rolling over the horizon disprove the 8in per mile squared curvature formula. Flat earth science is testable and observable science, what do you mean we don't approach the topic scientifically?

Just because we don't use psudosience like the theory of relativity doesn't mean our science isn't scientific. We use the scientific method the same as the so called "real scientists". I hate that the idea of science has been ruined with the image of a guy in a lab coat doing tests in a lab. Testing the curvature formula and proving it doesn't work is science and if it's not you don't know what science is.

 

[Strathos]

Where was the Lord Jesus in Matthew 4:8? "Again, the devil took him to a very high mountain and showed him all the kingdoms of the world and their glory."

How did he see all the kingdoms of the world?

According to flat earthers, the atmosphere somehow prevents you from seeing things that are too far away. That's why you can't see everywhere on earth from the top of Mount Everest.

 

[Kinable]

Observation
The Earth is possibly not a sphere.

Question
If the Earth is a sphere then objects of similar height should get noticeably lower the further away they get thanks to the formula of 8in per mile squared.

Hypothisis
Far away mountains should appear lower despite being of a similar height due to the curve.

Experiment

Analysis
The mountains don't appear to be getting lower the further away they get. They appear to be the same height as the ones closer to me.

Conclusion
The Earth isn't a sphere.

This is real science using the scientific method.

 

[pitabread]

Flat Earth theory is all science.

(Still waiting for the "scientific" flat Earth explanation for how equatorial mounts work )

 

[Ophiolite]

(Still waiting for the "scientific" flat Earth explanation for how equatorial mounts work )

Hypnosis. You know it makes sense.

 

[Kinable]

(Still waiting for the "scientific" flat Earth explanation for how equatorial mounts work )

And I'm still waiting for an excuse on why objects of greater mass don't attract objects of smaller mass that isn't because "Earth is too big".

 

[Subduction Zone]

Flat Earth theory is all science. Sonoluminescence explains stars, observing hot spots under the sun shows it's closer than 93 million miles away, observing objects at distances greater than 3-5 miles without rolling over the horizon disprove the 8in per mile squared curvature formula. Flat earth science is testable and observable science, what do you mean we don't approach the topic scientifically?

Just because we don't use psudosience like the theory of relativity doesn't mean our science isn't scientific. We use the scientific method the same as the so called "real scientists". I hate that the idea of science has been ruined with the image of a guy in a lab coat doing tests in a lab. Testing the curvature formula and proving it doesn't work is science and if it's not you don't know what science is.

No, it is not. And that is the problem with it. It does not follow the scientific method. The globe Earth model does. Instead of making false claims about others perhaps you should learn a little bit. Here is a simplified flowchart of the scientific method. Let's apply this to the Flat Earth model and go over it step by step:

Okay, the first step is "Ask a question". What is your question?

 

[Strathos]

And I'm still waiting for an excuse on why objects of greater mass don't attract objects of smaller mass that isn't because "Earth is too big".

They do. Earth's gravity just overwhelms the effect. It's like complaining that you can't hear an insect buzzing next to a jet engine.

 

[Kinable]

Observation
Earth might not be a sphere like we're told

Question
How does the moon and/or sun reflect off the surface of water when setting?

Hypothisis
If it's a spot close to the sun/moon then the earth is likely a sphere, if it's a line that stretches far in my direction then it's flat.

Experiment

Analysis
The reflection is a line that stretches far which is not possible on a globe/sphere.

Conclusion
Earth is not a sphere.