Earth is Flat

[Strathos]

He says there are 'better explanations' but refuses to ever provide any.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Which part of 'This is the same reason why I stopped caring one bit if any of you actually learn the truth or not' did you find confusing?

No, I tried having these conversations last year. Don't start on me with this garbage. All you people know how to do is belittle and talk down the the 'stupid flat earthers'. Get lost.

Like I predicted. Running away.

And I have not talked down to you. I have not belittled you. In fact I assumed that you were intelligent enough to learn. And I never called you stupid.

So would you care to discuss the basics of science so that you can begin to understand your errors?

 

[SeventyOne]

Like I predicted. Running away.

And I have not talked down to you. I have not belittled you. In fact I assumed that you were intelligent enough to learn. And I never called you stupid.

So would you care to discuss the basics of science so that you can begin to understand your errors?

Whine all you want about 'running away'. Whatever makes you feel superior. Are you purposely trying to be obtuse? I feel like I'm talking to a wall.

This is one of those points where I stop responding as it has become pointless to continue. Enjoy the rest of your day on this flat earth.

 

[Subduction Zone]

So what is that man with that black t-shirt holding near the guy witht he blue t-shirt? It's so so funny that you can not see this, hahahahah, I see a wire.

You see, he is touching that invisible thing and instantly, the "blue" guy moves towards that guy with the black t-shirt.

hahaha.

No, you would see an actual wire. You misinterpreted what happened. Plus no one is wearing a "black t-shirt. There is a guy with a blue shirt, another with a navy blue shirt, and a guy with a striped polo. So you must mean the guy with the navy shirt. He grabs for the guy but misses. It looks like the man with the blue shirt had already controlled his motion with his right hand, it is out of screen. What makes more sense? A vast conspiracy and magical invisible wires or simply grabbing something with your right hand?

You are trying to reinterpret observations to fit a false narrative.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Whine all you want about 'running away'. Whatever makes you feel superior. Are you purposely trying to be obtuse? I feel like I'm talking to a wall.

This is one of those points where I stop responding as it has become pointless to continue. Enjoy the rest of your day on this flat earth.

I don't need to "feel superior". I can support my claims. You can't and are running away as I predicted. You have some massive projection going on.

Why are you afraid to discuss the basics of science?

 

[46AND2]

I always found that demand humerous coming from people who think a globe is accurate. Thanks for the laugh.

Then it should be beyond easy for you to provide an accurate map of the earth. Funny that you don't even make an attempt, and instead just "belittle and talk down" to stupid globeearthers. Thanks for the laugh.

 

[renniks]

Not any Frisbee I've ever seen. Good thing I don't live on one, all the hurling around would make me dizzy and everything around me unstable. Just like the earth hurtling through space, no, wait, that doesn't happen at all. Odd.

So your flat disk has 90 degree corners?

And you never answered my other questions, like, does God actually measure mountains in a basket? Because if so, that is some basket!

 

[Duke of Stratford]

As one of Herman Wouk's characters says in The Winds of War, it was Galileo who cut God's throat. Of course it changes everything, gnostic kabbalistic Babylonian cosmology is a giant obstacle that keeps many ppl from coming to Christ, and forces Christians into an accommodationist position, whereby they need to deny the plain sense of scripture and instead make excuses and ad hoc workarounds. It takes the earth out of the centre of creation, it enthrones humanity, duality, relativity and sun worship as the central metaphysical principles. How do you know there's not a bunch of little green men on Andromeda who God loves more than us? Reduces the gospel from divine to merely supernatural, and God to just one more potential deity in the 'universal consciousness'.

The two worldviews are fundamentally incompatible. You can't eat at both the table of angels and demons. The result is a denuded and idolatrous concept of the Almighty, a loss of any sense of the absolute, it's usurpation by the analogue of infinite materiality. And moreover, it plays to man's vain imaginings and defies logic, reason and sense.

If theology is the king of sciences and cosmology the queen (as was traditionally taught), then a cold dark mostly void and unknown queen is not going to buttress a true concept of God. The belief that the 'enormity of the physical universe' glorifies God is superficial and false, because of all that rubbish smuggled in sub rosa - in truth it's a curse. The devil is too subtle, be not ignorant of his schemes. And be prepared to consider that you too have been heavily conditioned by the institutions he controls.

Here's the thing: the worldviews are not incompatible. As many people on this thread have explained, the Bible does not make an explicit stance on the shape of the earth. Here are a few Christian explanations regarding Earth's shape (the last of which is the most detailed), all of which draw from Scripture as their source of information. Yes, there is an ancient Hebrew understanding of the Earth's form, but that does not mean that that view was accurate. We don't hold that every belief system held by the ancient Hebrews was true.

As for the claim that believing in a massive universe created by God leads to unbelief and distorting God's will... I don't find anything in your reply that accurately dismisses my view. "Sun worship" centuries before geocentricism ceased to be the predominating theory for Earth's relation to the sun. I don't believe in aliens. I don't negate God's divinity or the sanctity of Scripture. And I certainly don't encourage gnosticism. The concept that there is an enormous physical universe does nothing to negate the gospel. Rather, it keeps our eyes focused on our marvelous Creator without whose hand none of this miraculously complex world could exist.

I don't expect this to change your mind; I'm simply trying to show that people who believe in a round earth are not unBiblical, not gnostics, and not negating God's sovereignty. Anyone can feel free to believe what they wish to believe about earth's shape or the size of the universe. It doesn't negate Jesus, and Jesus is the point of everything.

 

[46AND2]

Saros cycle is what Nasa relies on for eclipse predictions.

In fact, lets take a closer look at those maps. These two eclipses attached with the black line are one Saros Cycle apart:

Tell me again how Saros Cycles are used to predict the LOCATION of the eclipse?

Here are the two previous iterations of that eclipse:

and the two before that:

Oh dear. Not much of a pattern going on here, eh?

 

[renniks]

I've never run away. Don't flatter yourself. I don't owe any of you any explanation or proof of anything, because you all aren't capable of handling it, and all we get in return are insults, lies, and ignorance.

Of course you owe us an explanation. We have been taught to believe a fallacy, according to you. How are we supposed to understand your " truth" if you give zero evidence or explanation of how it all works?
I have asked serious questions and get no answer.
Again, is it a flat disk, or are there corners?
Because I do not see how both can be true.

 

[Subduction Zone]

And you never answered my other questions, like, does God actually measure mountains in a basket? Because if so, that is some basket!

I think that you can pick them up a Costco.

 

[46AND2]

In fact, lets take a closer look at those maps. These two eclipses attached with the black line are one Saros Cycle apart:



Tell me again how Saros Cycles are used to predict the LOCATION of the eclipse?

Here are the two previous iterations of that eclipse:



and the two before that:



Oh dear. Not much of a pattern going on here, eh?

And the three before that:

And the two before that:

Uh oh! Look at that! They aren't even the same TYPE of eclipse (annular vs. total) in this Saros Cycle.

And finally, the first one of this series in the 1800s, look for the black arrow:

Another blue line. That doesn't match any line in the Saros Cycle for the next 200+ years.

Where's the pattern, @Shrewd Manager?

 

[Freodin]

... and ther are better explainations out there.

Then it is funny that you can never present these.

Our new Flat Earth friend Kinable had presented a video demonstrating how the sun could disappear beneath the horizon using a lense.
Yet, there is the problem that such a lense could not exist within the atmosphere... so he had to make the assumption (unevidenced, of course) that the sun might be outside of the dome, and this act as a lense.

Now here you are and tell us categorically that we live "...under a dome, wherein the sun, moon, and stars are placed, just as scriptures describe."

A sun inside a "dome" wouldn't work. A sun outside of a "dome" is not scriptual.

He has an explanation - which you deny. So where is your "better explanation"?

 

[Freodin]

Asking flat earthers to explain physical evidence just leads to endless evasion.

Lately I've been taking a different approach - dismantling the flawed logic behind their conspiracy claims. It seems to be working too, as they all seem afraid to address any of my arguments in this area.

Sadly, you just run into the same response: evasion.
The problem with conspiracy theories is that they simply cannot be dismanted or debunked. Every potential argument against them is simply adding another layer of "lies" that the conspiracy tells... and only you have the truth. Because you are something special. You see the truth. You cannot be deceived.

How they do it... I have no idea. Magic seer stones perhaps.

I applaud your efforts, but I don't have any hope they will lead anywhere. The people who believe these conspiracy theories are lacking in understanding the flaws behind them just as much as they lack the ability to understand the flaws in their criticism of actual science.
They don't even have the imagination to come up with some good conspiracy theories.

Shrewd Manager mention the "gnostic kabbalistic Babylonian cosmology" that keeps people from "comming to Christ"... even though Babylonian cosmology had a Flat Earth, no one believe the Babylonian model (except for some Flerfs, certainly) and somehow it doesn't seem to keep people from being Christians.

So... perhaps the "gnostic kabbalistic Babylonian cosmology" - or just the Babylonian cosmology and theology is "the Truth"... and the Great Globe Conspiracy denied both this AND Marduk and his pals.
Look... this conspiracy has been successfull. No one worships poor Marduk anymore.

Hm... maybe I have gotten to something here... do you think I should make some YouTube videos promoting Flat Earth Marduk worship?

 

[Strathos]

Sadly, you just run into the same response: evasion.
The problem with conspiracy theories is that they simply cannot be dismanted or debunked. Every potential argument against them is simply adding another layer of "lies" that the conspiracy tells... and only you have the truth. Because you are something special. You see the truth. You cannot be deceived.

How they do it... I have no idea. Magic seer stones perhaps.

I applaud your efforts, but I don't have any hope they will lead anywhere. The people who believe these conspiracy theories are lacking in understanding the flaws behind them just as much as they lack the ability to understand the flaws in their criticism of actual science.
They don't even have the imagination to come up with some good conspiracy theories.

Shrewd Manager mention the "gnostic kabbalistic Babylonian cosmology" that keeps people from "comming to Christ"... even though Babylonian cosmology had a Flat Earth, no one believe the Babylonian model (except for some Flerfs, certainly) and somehow it doesn't seem to keep people from being Christians.

So... perhaps the "gnostic kabbalistic Babylonian cosmology" - or just the Babylonian cosmology and theology is "the Truth"... and the Great Globe Conspiracy denied both this AND Marduk and his pals.
Look... this conspiracy has been successfull. No one worships poor Marduk anymore.

Hm... maybe I have gotten to something here... do you think I should make some YouTube videos promoting Flat Earth Marduk worship?

The difference is that they have tons of ready-made videos to link to to try to counter arguments about physical evidence, but since my arguments are new, they don't have any way to respond to them. So they just completely ignore my posts.

 

[pitabread]

Asking flat earthers to explain physical evidence just leads to endless evasion.

Lately I've been taking a different approach - dismantling the flawed logic behind their conspiracy claims. It seems to be working too, as they all seem afraid to address any of my arguments in this area.

Flat Earthers rarely engage for long or even if at all. We're seeing that again in this thread; the minute the heat is on, they start packing up and leaving.

 

[Strathos]

Flat Earthers rarely engage for long or even if at all. We're seeing that again in this thread; the minute the heat is on, they start packing up and leaving.

They're not engaging with my arguments at all, though. They have no pre-packaged responses or videos to address them.

Although they'll probably make some eventually if I keep it up.

 

[46AND2]

The difference is that they have tons of ready-made videos to link to to try to counter arguments about physical evidence, but since my arguments are new, they don't have any way to respond to them. So they just completely ignore my posts.

Yes, I have a couple of threads where I presented globe arguments for which there is no rebuttal in the Flerf literature/media. They avoid them completely, or at best toss in a red herring or two.

See Here and Here.

I even referenced one of those threads here:

DING DING DING! You're right all MAPS are distorted. But GLOBES give the right proportions. You can scale a globe such that Greenland is the right relative size, at the same time as making the oceans all the right relative size....and well, pretty much everything the right relative size. The problem arises when you try to map a spherical object onto a 2D plane. That's why FE can't come up with an accurate map...cause the earth ain't flat.

With a globe, you can model the sun following the equator during the equinoxes AND rising and setting due east/west. Which you can't do on a flat earth. Where is the Curve, Flat-Earthers? It's geometrically impossible on a flat earth.

And when he quoted that post of mine, he deleted the second paragraph with the argument referenced in that thread, ignoring it entirely:

Post 156.

 

[pgp_protector]

Well now I understand why some are asking for a Flat Earth Safe Space where they can't be challenged.
Biblical 3-Tier Cosmology/ Flat Earth SAFE HOUSE

 

[Amittai]

QUOTE="Kinable, post: 74892054, member: 427415" ...

Kinable, science doesn't prove (Duhem, Quine) but it provides degrees of inference.

Hypotheses and theories are respectable things which we need.

Your "transparent moon" is a kind of refraction effect, it often appears around the sun and horizon, too.

The horizon is always directly in front of you if you directly face it.

The aeroplane landing is part of the same gravitational system. In the case of the bits falling off the tennis ball the gravitational system of the earth by far overrides what minuscule one the tennis ball has.

The narrator sounds rather young. Of course schools in recent years have dumbed things down.

Of course corporations are often strangely careless in the quality of their presentations.

The ISS don't prove or disprove anything beyond themselves. They didn't exist till recently.