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I'm sorry if what I said was offensive to anyone.
I'm sure there are many wonderful people in the Orthodox church just as there are in every other denomination - whether they be Catholic, Protestant, or one of what we would call a cult.
But IMO simply hoping that one will be able to have salvation when all is said and done is not the same as a justifying faith in the work of Jesus Christ at Calvary on our behalf.
Faith and hope are not the same thing.
"Now faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen." Hebrews 11:1
"Assurance" is what is obviously lacking in the quote by"OrthodoxyUSA". Therefore it is not faith. It is something else entirely (i.e. hope).
Whatever that quote represents - it is not saving faith as I see it.
Obviously I hope that people who confess such a lack of faith will be saved in the end - just as I have hope for cult members. I just don't have any assurance concerning their final state (i.e. I have my doubts about their salvation no matter how nice and how religious they are in this life as I'm pretty sure many of that persuasion are).
I'm not judging anyone personally - just their doctrine as express in the quote from "OrthodoxyUSA" ans statements from others of a similar theology.
You're not offending me. Just good back and forth.
We were saved 2000 years ago on a Friday around 3pm
We are being saved.
We will be saved.
Forgive me...
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