Drop your theological errors off here...

[sdowney717]

Foreknowledge does not negate free will. Agreed?

Forgive me...

No one is a robot. But we are all SLAVES, either of sin and Satan, or of God and righteousness.
Is a slave free?

Romans 6:6
knowing this, that our old man was crucified with Him,that the body of sin might be done away with, that we should no longer be slaves of sin.

Romans 6:15
[ From Slaves of Sin to Slaves of God ] What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? Certainly not!

Romans 6:16
Do you not know that to whom you present yourselves slaves to obey, you are that one’s slaves whom you obey, whether of sin leading to death, or of obedience leading to righteousness?

Romans 6:17
But God be thanked that though you were slaves of sin, yet you obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine to which you were delivered.

Romans 6:18
And having been set free from sin, you became slaves of righteousness.

Romans 6:19
I speak in human terms because of the weakness of your flesh. For just as you presented your members as slaves of uncleanness, and of lawlessness leading to more lawlessness, so now present your members as slaves of righteousness for holiness.

Romans 6:20
For when you were slaves of sin, you were free in regard to righteousness.

Romans 6:22
But now having been set free from sin, and having become slaves of God, you have your fruit to holiness, and the end, everlasting life.

 

[OrthodoxyUSA]

No. I know only some basic things about Orthodox worship and practice.

Doesn't answer my question though. I would be concerned if anyone said that they way their specific church or denomination worships is exactly how it will be in Heaven. I don't think we have the right or the ability to say we know exactly what eternity is going to be like.

As Paul wrote, right now we see through a glass darkly.

The Liturgy was given to us by St. James as taught by Christ. It was written down by the clergy at Antioch who went to Jerusalem to learn pre 70ad.

Forgive me...

 

[Goatee]

The Orthodox Church does not dabble in prophecy.

Forgive me...

Ok, so what do you make of Revelation then?

 

[HighCherub]

The Filioque is accepted by both Roman Catholics and Reformed Protestants. In fact, it's apparently Western Christianity altogether.

'Drop your filioque' stuck out the most in the OP for me, because it's tantamount to saying 'drop the Trinity' as Western Christians understand the Trinity.

I'm not sure of the reason why the Eastern churches reject it, but I wager that it's simply out of stubbornness.

 

[OrthodoxyUSA]

Even if that is the case, does it say anywhere that we therefore should pray directly to those saints, or to Mary, or to anyone other than God?

You're going to pose a new argument now that they are not dead?

Forgive me...

 

[Goatee]

Even if that is the case, does it say anywhere that we therefore should pray directly to those saints, or to Mary, or to anyone other than God?

Waw, didn't take you long to mention Mary, Mother of God!

 

[OrthodoxyUSA]

Ok, so what do you make of Revelation then?

A vision of heavenly worship. That is why it was included in scripture. It was not put there for us to try to discern end time events.

Forgive me...

 

[amariselle]

The Liturgy was given to us by St. James as taught by Christ. It was written down by the clergy at Antioch who went to Jerusalem to learn pre 70ad.

Forgive me...

What about where Orthodox practice conflicts with the Bible?

The use of "icons" perhaps?
Prayers to the "saints"?

Unless something is inspired Scripture, we need to be careful, no matter how old it may be. Paul was already dealing with error when he wrote His epistles, and he warned that after his death some would even arise from among the believers to draw away believers after them.

 

[Goatee]

A vision of heavenly worship. That is why it was included in scripture. It was not put there for us to try to discern end time events.

Forgive me...

I agree. But I also believe that it pointed to events that happened by 70AD.

Jesus did state that certain things would be accomplished in the Apostles generation.

 

[OrthodoxyUSA]

What about where Orthodox practice conflicts with the Bible.

The use of "icons" perhaps?
Prayers to the "saints"?

Unless something is inspired Scripture, we need to be careful, no matter how old it may be. Paul was already dealing with error when he wrote His epistles, and he warned that after his death some would even arise from among the believers to draw away believers after them.

How about those representations of Angels on the Ark... are those idols? How about the rest of the things God commanded to be added to HIS altar?

Forgive me...

 

[OrthodoxyUSA]

I agree. But I also believe that it pointed to events that happened by 70AD.

Jesus did state that certain things would be accomplished in the Apostles generation.

We are free to believe that. As long as we don't make it dogmatic.

Forgive me...

 

[amariselle]

Waw, didn't take you long to mention Mary, Mother of God!

Please stop. I am having an ongoing conversation.

Yes, I have a problem with what the Catholic Church has done with Mary. My concerns are well founded and absolutely Biblical.

You see her however you want. I'll stick with what Scripture says.

God bless.

 

[Goatee]

What about where Orthodox practice conflicts with the Bible?

The use of "icons" perhaps?
Prayers to the "saints"?

Unless something is inspired Scripture, we need to be careful, no matter how old it may be. Paul was already dealing with error when he wrote His epistles, and he warned that after his death some would even arise from among the believers to draw away believers after them.

These do not conflict with scripture as you have been told on other threads!

 

[OrthodoxyUSA]

What about where Orthodox practice conflicts with the Bible?

The use of "icons" perhaps?
Prayers to the "saints"?

Unless something is inspired Scripture, we need to be careful, no matter how old it may be. Paul was already dealing with error when he wrote His epistles, and he warned that after his death some would even arise from among the believers to draw away believers after them.

We have to realize that the Church was worshiping this way before any of the NT scripture was written.

Forgive me...

 

[Goatee]

Please stop. I am having an ongoing conversation.

Yes, I have a problem with what the Catholic Church has done with Mary. My concerns are well founded and absolutely Biblical.

You see her however you want. I'll stick with what Scripture says.

God bless.

That's the problem. What you see in scripture is through your sola scripture glasses as we see it through our Catholic ones!

 

[amariselle]

How about those representations of Angels on the Ark... are those idols? How about the rest of the things God commanded to be added to HIS altar?

Forgive me...

Did He command them, at a certain time and place, when He did dwell in "temples made with human hands", yes.

He no longer does, however. Each of us is now the "temple of the Holy Spirit", and we worship in spirit and in truth.

Icons are idols, we have no reason to use such things in worship. If so, why did Jesus and the Scripture writers leave such things out?

 

[OrthodoxyUSA]

Please stop. I am having an ongoing conversation.

Yes, I have a problem with what the Catholic Church has done with Mary. My concerns are well founded and absolutely Biblical.

You see her however you want. I'll stick with what Scripture says.

God bless.

Mary has a simple role in Orthodoxy... not like RC.

Let me help. See this icon?
In Orthodoxy, Mary is always presenting Christ.
We do not worship Mary. She is not a God. She's one of us.
She is counted as being the first Christian and the best example of a female Christian.

Forgive me...

 

[amariselle]

That's the problem. What you see in scripture is through your sola scripture glasses as we see it through our Catholic ones!

Right, keep telling yourself that.

I search the Scriptures, nowhere in them is Mary even once elevated or venerated as the Catholic Church elevates and venerates her.

 

[OrthodoxyUSA]

Did He command them, at a certain time and place, when He did dwell in "temples made with human hands", yes.

He no longer does, however. Each of us is now the "temple of the Holy Spirit", and we worship in spirit and in truth.

Icons are idols, we have no reason to use such things in worship. If so, why did Jesus and the Scripture writers leave such things out?

You carry pictures of you children or family? They are not idols.

Forgive me...

 

[amariselle]

Mary has a simple role in Orthodoxy... not like RC.

Let me help. See this icon?
In Orthodoxy, Mary is always presenting Christ.
We do not worship Mary. She is not a God. She's one of us.
She is counted as being the first Christian and the best example of a female Christian.

Forgive me...

Jesus is no longer an infant. He is no longer being "presented" by Mary. He is risen and sits at the right hand of the Father, our High Priest and Mediator, interceding for us.