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Not always, self sacrifice can simply be a rational choice (though a very difficult one for most). If I jump the grenade I will die, others around me will live, if I simply run, many may die, and I probably will as well. The most rational choice is to jump onto the grenade. The main purpose of military training is to make it so you keep a clear head in a situation like this and make quick, orderly rational choices. Unfortunately it can also have a numbing and personality draining effect.

Knarf I used to be catholic and tried praying, nothing happened, I kept my faith still for quite a while until one day I finally decided it didn't make any sense.

But I do appreciate your invitation, be safe.
Hey bro...
I went to OCS to be a Marine Officer... still might finish it... so it is military training... actually are first perrogative is Mission Accomplishment/ then Troop welfare... so I don't know if they beat that into our heads of jumping on a nade... it just comes natural... look at accounts of viet. vets. they went back into the action knowing they could die any time... one medic pilot went back like 16 times.... talk about self-sacrifice... check them out

Might I inquire what you prayed for? Did you pray to God or to a saint? Dude I would so love to pray for you... it kouldn't hurt... what is your name? any requests... (and do not say 1 million dollars ;) )...

Yes keeping faith is hard man... I have difficulty right now... but I know that from personal experience he is so there... I would die for it man...

Take kare and God Bless
In CHrist,
Frank
 
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Knarf188 said:
Hey Everyone, I am kind of knew to this philosophy thing and stuff, so don't flame me too much =)...
But I was just curious, what do you aethiests(not labeling =) in these forums believe the purpose of life is? Do you believe in doing good? Or we just are born to improve mankind then die? I was always curious...
Take Kare and God Bless Everyone =)...
In Christ,
Frank

I would imagine that if i were an athiest my purpose would be to better mankind
 
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Godzman , How could you even phathom not having a God... if you are a Christian... just curious...
In Christ,
Frank

I used to be a Christian. I searched and searched for god, but he never came. How can I fathom even having a god when he doesn't show himself?
 
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Knarf188 said:
Godzman , How could you even phathom not having a God... if you are a Christian... just curious...
In Christ,
Frank

Well it is not something I fathom very often, but if I was an athiest I would probably be a liberal, secular, humanist
 
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I used to be a Christian. I searched and searched for god, but he never came. How can I fathom even having a god when he doesn't show himself?
Hey bro how are you doing??
sounds you did alot of searching... how many years? did you pray? if so, what did you pray for... did you read your Bible? May I pray for ya, can't hurt =)...
take kare and God Bless
In Christ,
Frank
 
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Knarf188 said:
I can't even believe life without a God... it's an impossibility man...
In Christ,
Frank

I agree, it could never be true, but I wouldn't have much to live for then but myself, but I live for Christ and thank God I do
 
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Knarf188 said:
Hey bro how are you doing??
sounds you did alot of searching... how many years? did you pray? if so, what did you pray for... did you read your Bible? May I pray for ya, can't hurt =)...
take kare and God Bless
In Christ,
Frank

I did everything I was supposed to. I prayed everyday. I read the Bible. But then I realized that the only reason I believed in god was because my parents told me he was real. Then I asked god to show me he was real and nothing happened. For about a month I got to the point where I had to force myself to say I believed in god. Now, I realize that I don't have to force myself anymore.
 
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Knarf188 said:
Haha dude you should be kalled the link-man... I read some of them...and cross refrenced them with my Bible... maybe you should do it too... it is not very accurate....

Sending down His son shows a 'point'... shows his love... He lost his son.. Jesus.. who in turn is God... it is kind of amusing that you do try to argue something that you believe is a 'fairy tale'....
I am called “link man” in some circles of friends. It’s what I do.

But I do only argue the point of the existences and the philosophies involved. The Biblical precedents and textual **** is nothing of interest to me. All religions have texts and quite frankly, using them to explain why one is right is like saying Peter Pan exists because the book written about him says so. It is why I gave you linkage, so you can see the opinions of others against it.

I shall give you but one quote from your Bible regarding prophecies and leave it at this: 2 Peter 1:20 knowing this first, that no prophecy of Scripture is of any private interpretation

Take up your issues with my links with someone who lives to debate such things, I’ve got better things to do with my time and would do a lesser job than someone who enjoys debating such topics.
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Protection is love... I do not understand... you seem to be going in circles...
I’ll try to point this out once more.
Protecting someone you never knew because you love them is a showing of sacrifice and love, but to that person, it was merely an act of sacrifice. They are in no way forced to love you back just because you did so. You choose to go through with the actions thought up and did so for a loving reason. Take the “you” and replace it with “Jesus” to see what I’m getting at, or at least near it. I don’t think that’s to be discussed in this thread, seeing as it is a large tangent, but hey, if the question is asked in better detail, I’m bound to reply well enough eventually.

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thankyou for your reply... yes it is apparent... if you wish to stop posting... i am not twisting your arm... but your replies are greatly appreciated... I am sorry though that you sterotype me and think lowly of me... take kare and God Bless...
In Christ,
Frank
P.s. I never got the names of your parents... if you wouldnt mind me praying for them... you have nothing to lose....
I do no think lowly of you, I merely respect your beliefs as your own and hold my own beliefs as such as well. Stereotypes are always a thing of first impressions, I won’t attest to being able to avoid placing them on most people, if one manages to live outside the stereotype, one leaves it to find but another to fit in. Circles of labels are ever present.

Seeing as they are parents of free-will, like all humans, they should be asked if they wish to have someone praying for them. I’ve heard their answers to such things before and they follow as such: Don’t waste your breathe, if I want to be “saved” I’ll do so with my own volition.

Your praying interferes with their will to choose to believe what they wish, in the general theistic scheme of things. And if prayer really mattered in the least, “God’s plan” would get screwed with all the time. All things are currently of God’s will and to occur according to his plan, if he wishes you to save them, I’m sure they’ll get in contact with you after he sends down a memo.
Dyr.


P.s. Of course my supposed thought as to what God would hold, Biblically speaking, may be incorrect in your view but is correct in some Christian viewpoints, which I happen to be more familiar with. If your god™ happens to think differently, I'm sure a note will get passed along.
 
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I did everything I was supposed to. I prayed everyday. I read the Bible. But then I realized that the only reason I believed in god was because my parents told me he was real. Then I asked god to show me he was real and nothing happened. For about a month I got to the point where I had to force myself to say I believed in god. Now, I realize that I don't have to force myself anymore.
I did the same thing... I believed because my parents did... then I fell away... I did everything wrong... I noticed nothing could satisfy my needs... but then I just surrendered man... I gave it all to him... I found my own 'religion'... actually I found out that Jesus is all about a personal relationship with him... not one of your parents... I found that...and he finally answered my prayers...

I was always seeking a sign...haha I remember I was really young and I use to play bball.. and say if you are real ... I will sink this shot... needless to say it usually failed haha... but this leads me to a Bible verse I hope you do not mind...
Matthew 12:38-40 "Then some of the scribes and Pharisees answered, saying,"teacher, we want to see a sign from You." But he answered and said to them, "An evil and adulterous generation seeks after a sign, and no sign will be given to it except the sign of the prophet Jonah. For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the great fish, so witll the Son of Man bethree days and three nights in the heart of the earth."

Yea dude if you do not mind me prayin for ya, whats your name bro?
Maybe you should not give up on him just yet...
Take kare and God Bless
In Christ,
Frank
 
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Knarf188 said:
I did the same thing... I believed because my parents did... then I fell away... I did everything wrong... I noticed nothing could satisfy my needs... but then I just surrendered man... I gave it all to him... I found my own 'religion'... actually I found out that Jesus is all about a personal relationship with him... not one of your parents... I found that...and he finally answered my prayers...

I was always seeking a sign...haha I remember I was really young and I use to play bball.. and say if you are real ... I will sink this shot... needless to say it usually failed haha... but this leads me to a Bible verse I hope you do not mind...
Matthew 12:38-40 "Then some of the scribes and Pharisees answered, saying,"teacher, we want to see a sign from You." But he answered and said to them, "An evil and adulterous generation seeks after a sign, and no sign will be given to it except the sign of the prophet Jonah. For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the great fish, so witll the Son of Man bethree days and three nights in the heart of the earth."

Yea dude if you do not mind me prayin for ya, whats your name bro?
Maybe you should not give up on him just yet...
Take kare and God Bless
In Christ,
Frank


My name is David, but it's not like prayer will do much for me. It sounds like god has a "plan" and he must be planning on me going to hell.
 
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To answer the original question by Knarf188, I would have to say that there is no universal purpose to life. But each individual makes his or her own purpose.

My purpose is to leave this world in a better condition than I entered it. My philosophy is that of secular humanism.
 
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My name is David, but it's not like prayer will do much for me. It sounds like god has a "plan" and he must be planning on me going to hell.
David is that all you got out of what I wrote...do not be blinded by others... seek Him first... God's plan is not for you to go to hell... HE DESIRES FOR YOU TO BE IN HEAVEN WITH HIM... it is all over the Bible bro... If he is God he has to be Just... he must punish us/someone for our sins... but he has ... Jesus was the perfect lamb... that is mercy my friend... I would encourage you to go to a pastor about your questions... it seems like you desire the truth about God... find someone who knows the answers you seek... but I will pray for you... Take kare and God Bless
In Christ,
Frank
 
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Are you a surfer Knarf188? I get that impression because you say "Bro" alot.

It's nice of you to do everybody's praying. :)
I really want to surf... I skateboard some... but surfing just seems awesome... why do you surf?
Do you need prayer Wrestler? I would be delighted to pray for you...;)
Take kare and God Bless
In Christ,
Frank
 
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MaddyO3 said:
To answer the original question by Knarf188, I would have to say that there is no universal purpose to life. But each individual makes his or her own purpose.

My purpose is to leave this world in a better condition than I entered it. My philosophy is that of secular humanism.
How do you feel to the previous posts because several people feel somewhat the same way as you do... if it is to better our purpose that seems kind of trivial in life...like an infinite loop....specially with our evil nature...
Take kare and God Bless
In Christ,
Frank
 
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Knarf188 said:
David is that all you got out of what I wrote...do not be blinded by others... seek Him first... God's plan is not for you to go to hell... HE DESIRES FOR YOU TO BE IN HEAVEN WITH HIM... it is all over the Bible bro... If he is God he has to be Just... he must punish us/someone for our sins... but he has ... Jesus was the perfect lamb... that is mercy my friend... I would encourage you to go to a pastor about your questions... it seems like you desire the truth about God... find someone who knows the answers you seek... but I will pray for you... Take kare and God Bless
In Christ,
Frank

Umm...thanks I guess.
 
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I am called “link man” in some circles of friends. It’s what I do.

But I do only argue the point of the existences and the philosophies involved. The Biblical precedents and textual **** is nothing of interest to me. All religions have texts and quite frankly, using them to explain why one is right is like saying Peter Pan exists because the book written about him says so. It is why I gave you linkage, so you can see the opinions of others against it.

I shall give you but one quote from your Bible regarding prophecies and leave it at this: 2 Peter 1:20 knowing this first, that no prophecy of Scripture is of any private interpretation

Take up your issues with my links with someone who lives to debate such things, I’ve got better things to do with my time and would do a lesser job than someone who enjoys debating such topics.
I’ll try to point this out once more.
Protecting someone you never knew because you love them is a showing of sacrifice and love, but to that person, it was merely an act of sacrifice. They are in no way forced to love you back just because you did so. You choose to go through with the actions thought up and did so for a loving reason. Take the “you” and replace it with “Jesus” to see what I’m getting at, or at least near it. I don’t think that’s to be discussed in this thread, seeing as it is a large tangent, but hey, if the question is asked in better detail, I’m bound to reply well enough eventually.

I do no think lowly of you, I merely respect your beliefs as your own and hold my own beliefs as such as well. Stereotypes are always a thing of first impressions, I won’t attest to being able to avoid placing them on most people, if one manages to live outside the stereotype, one leaves it to find but another to fit in. Circles of labels are ever present.

Seeing as they are parents of free-will, like all humans, they should be asked if they wish to have someone praying for them. I’ve heard their answers to such things before and they follow as such: Don’t waste your breathe, if I want to be “saved” I’ll do so with my own volition.

Your praying interferes with their will to choose to believe what they wish, in the general theistic scheme of things. And if prayer really mattered in the least, “God’s plan” would get screwed with all the time. All things are currently of God’s will and to occur according to his plan, if he wishes you to save them, I’m sure they’ll get in contact with you after he sends down a memo.
Dyr.


P.s. Of course my supposed thought as to what God would hold, Biblically speaking, may be incorrect in your view but is correct in some Christian viewpoints, which I happen to be more familiar with. If your god™ happens to think differently, I'm sure a note will get passed along.
Awesome I hit it right on the head... Link-Man... kind of like Zelda...

Buddy, If you respect me then don't refer to my beliefs and scriptures as ****... maybe you were referencing it to be truth... and you just missed a *... but it seems kind of hypocritical of you....

What does your verse mean? It is kind of just thrown out there....

Jesus does know us... he created us... it's like , when you have kids, if you do... you would not want them to neglect you and run away... you love them... and want what is best for them... And dude if you died for me... I see that as sacrifice and LOVE... why do you think people join the Marine Corps... Just to sacrifice... open your eyes....

Your Sterotype thing just kind of labels an obvious assertion... there is always a label for something...

Prayer does not interfere man... it gives them the oppurtunity to see the light... If you gave something to your child are you infringing on their volition... would you not want what is best for your kid... like helping them out with healthcare, bills.... thats kind of dumb....

He has sent me a memo... it's kalled the Bible...
Take kare and God Bless...
In Christ,
Frank
 
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