Drive for Atheists?

[DrunkenWrestler]

but were did these man made concepts come from, maybe from an innate entity

It is possible for an idea to come from an imaginary character.

Purpose is not necessary for existence. Life is pretty much what you make of it.

Would you be saying that if you were starving in Africa?
Just Curious..

Yes.

I would. Purpose is not necessary for existence. Life is pretty much what you make of it. You can only make of it what you can.

What can you make of it if you have nothing, no family, no water, no food, no shelter?

Your purpose of life then, would only be primitive survival needs. In your opinion Knarf, is that a life worth living?

there has to be some hope for them man... or why not just end their misery ( no offense meant )...Take kare and God Bless...

No there doesn't. But you are asserting that there does.

How do you feel about answered prayers/miracles?

Completely meaningless coincidence. When a prayer is answered, Christians see it as a sign of God and extol him. However, when a prayer is not answered, Christians simply say that it was all part of God's plan and they don't count it against him. They simply bias their confirmations.

When I used to wrestle for high school, I'd pray to my dog to win the match, and then I'd win the match. Does this mean my dog did it? Or would it have happened anyway? Whenever I lose the match, I simply think that my dog has reasons beyond my understanding that losing the match was the best thing to do, and continualy adhere with blind faith, that my dog is a supernatural being.

 

[Knarf188]

It is possible for an idea to come from an imaginary character.


Yes.


Your purpose of life then, would only be primitive survival needs. In your opinion Knarf, is that a life worth living?


No there doesn't. But you are asserting that there does.


Completely meaningless coincidence. When a prayer is answered, Christians see it as a sign of God and extol him. However, when a prayer is not answered, Christians simply say that it was all part of God's plan and they don't count it against him. They simply bias their confirmations.

When I used to wrestle for high school, I'd pray to my dog to win the match, and then I'd win the match. Does this mean my dog did it? Or would it have happened anyway? Whenever I lose the match, I simply think that my dog has reasons beyond my understanding that losing the match was the best thing to do, and continualy adhere with blind faith, that my dog is a supernatural being.

Thankyou For your reply man... I only seek the truth like you, I do not mean to be hostile or anything of the sort... so I am sorry if I am portrayed smug or whatnot...
Life without hope/purpose is a wasted life... I am sorry but this is just how I feel deep inside me I know that there is a purpose in life... that everything happens for a reason... A life without morales, but only to appease your inner sinful nature is wrong... there will be dealt justice in some way/some fashion...
As for prayer... I know the Bible holds no weight to you, but might I just quote a verse... from Psalms 116
1 I love the LORD, because He has heard
My voice and my supplications.
2Because He has inclined His ear to me,
Therefore I will call upon Him as long as I live.


3The pains of death surrounded me,
And the pangs of Sheol laid hold of me;
I found trouble and sorrow.
4Then I called upon the name of the LORD:
"O LORD, I implore You, deliver my soul!"


5Gracious is the LORD, and righteous;
This is why I believe in God... because he answers my prayers... if you read earlier, My pap had cancer, and the kimo did not work... yet many many people prayed for it... and on his next checkup he no longer had any... the same can be said for both of my sisters... hope was lost... people prayed... they were saved to do better things in life... it was no coincidence... Miracles do happen... one must only open his eyes...
Though I do truely appreciate your pov... take kare and God Bless...
In Christ,
Frank

 

[Knarf188]

Knarf: Religion is not innate in human beings, but it does appear to be an innate trait of culture and societies. Religion is a social construct, and one that I personally feel, must be important to at least the formation and preservation of new societies. Whether or not a society can evolve to the point where it does not need religion remains to be seen, and I disagree with many atheists that think the world would be a better place if religion were to be extinguished.

Hey Vylo...
I am not saying that religion is innate, yet God is, his absolute truths (eg. ummm truth =)... Paul states in Romans that it can be seen in the trees, the birds, etc. If you look at the grandness of the Universe, one must know that there is something greater than this 'realm'... there is hope in a purpose in life... a hope of love...a hope of an eternal soul... a hope in justice... take kare and God Bless bro.... by the way were did you get your name?
In Christ,
Frank

 

[Vylo]

The name is the name of my character in Everquest, an MMORPG PC game .

Pantheism is an interesting thought, but I still don't see evidence of god in the universe. Sure it's got some cool things, but I don't see that as evidence of a sentient creator.

 

[vajradhara]

Awesome, thankyou for the reads.. I will have to check those out... right now I am getting swamped with texts haha, because it is the beginning of college =)...

I have a couple of questions if you do not mind answering...

How do you feel about answered prayers/miracles?

While one might have an overweighing of Good deeds hence Good karma... the fact remains that their still is bad karma inside the person... evil thoughts... an evil nature... to remove that nature would be perfection... so while one might have a good karma, you are still considered evil/hypocrite for no one is perfect....hence to say that as long as you outweigh the bad, you are good seems kind of not-possible...

Also where is your testimony from the link... I can't seem to find it...
Take kare and God Bless
In Christ,
Frank

Namaste Frank,

thanks for the post.

don't worry too much about the texts... they'll be there when you've got time for them

you ask:

How do you feel about answered prayers/miracles?

to which i respond:

hmm... well, i'm not sure what you are asking. how do i feel about them... i guess that i would feel fine with them. somehow, though, i don't think that's what you're trying to get at with this question.

if i may... i think you are trying to ask do i give those things creedence. to which my answer would be a resounding "yes". i do believe that prayers are answered as for miracles... well... yes as well.

that may be a good definition for a Christian to use but it won't fly in the Buddhist camps. we don't view people has having an "evil" nature nor a "good" nature. we believe that all people are inherently compassionate and want happiness, the same as all other sentient beings. we are all equal in wanting not to suffer and to be happy.

we don't fall into those dualities in the slightest. it must be kept in mind that terms like "good" and "evil" have little to no meaning to us except on a relative level. even terms like "good" karma and "negative" karma are based in the relative and have no absolute meaning. in point of fact, language, itself is rooted in the relative and is incapable of expressing the ineffable, from our point of view.

http://www.comparative-religion.com/forum/showthread.php?t=494

should work for you.... i'll see if i can find my posting about this on this site... as that may be easier to access.

 

[DrunkenWrestler]

I only seek the truth like you, I do not mean to be hostile or anything of the sort... so I am sorry if I am portrayed smug or whatnot...

Sorry if I had exuded any belligerent attitude.

This is why I believe in God... because he answers my prayers... if you read earlier, My pap had cancer, and the kimo did not work... yet many many people prayed for it... and on his next checkup he no longer had any...

Your father would have gotten better if you prayed to your toaster or a leprachuan. Many people die every year because they rely on faith healing rather than modern medicine. I'm sure there are many people who pray to God to save their fathers who have cancer. Even when their fathers die from the cancer, they simply don't blame God. However, if their fathers survive, they praise and give all credit to God.

If you look at the grandness of the Universe, one must know that there is something greater than this 'realm'

If something as grand as God exist, must one know that there is something greater? Applying this logic, seeing the grandness of gold, must mean leprachauns exist.

 

[Knarf188]

Namaste Frank,

thanks for the post.

don't worry too much about the texts... they'll be there when you've got time for them

you ask:

How do you feel about answered prayers/miracles?

to which i respond:

hmm... well, i'm not sure what you are asking. how do i feel about them... i guess that i would feel fine with them. somehow, though, i don't think that's what you're trying to get at with this question.

if i may... i think you are trying to ask do i give those things creedence. to which my answer would be a resounding "yes". i do believe that prayers are answered as for miracles... well... yes as well.

that may be a good definition for a Christian to use but it won't fly in the Buddhist camps. we don't view people has having an "evil" nature nor a "good" nature. we believe that all people are inherently compassionate and want happiness, the same as all other sentient beings. we are all equal in wanting not to suffer and to be happy.

we don't fall into those dualities in the slightest. it must be kept in mind that terms like "good" and "evil" have little to no meaning to us except on a relative level. even terms like "good" karma and "negative" karma are based in the relative and have no absolute meaning. in point of fact, language, itself is rooted in the relative and is incapable of expressing the ineffable, from our point of view.

http://www.comparative-religion.com/forum/t494

should work for you.... i'll see if i can find my posting about this on this site... as that may be easier to access.

Hi,
People want happiness and are compassionate (when they find christ =)... I agree... Actually Jesus states that we seek ungodliness... we lust, we lie, we fornicate, etc. its our evil nature... people left alone will act on their instincts, their inner nature...they do not seek righteousness(Romans)... it is true ...

'perfection' can be pictured... i can picture someone who is perfect, it is not relative... therefore it is possible... but as soon as we sin... we are no longer perfect...i have no idea where i am going, i guess i am just rambling...

question... if we all seek happiness and are compassionate... it is our innate nature... can not people seek happiness but yet infringe on others beliefs...like my hapiness is in money... so i go rob a bank...of course this infringes on others... but yet i am happy... while others are not... is this right?

thankyou for the link... ill check it out... i hope this makes sense =)... again i am new at this...
take kare and God Bless
In Christ,
Frank

 

[Knarf188]

Sorry if I had exuded any belligerent attitude.


Your father would have gotten better if you prayed to your toaster or a leprachuan. Many people die every year because they rely on faith healing rather than modern medicine. I'm sure there are many people who pray to God to save their fathers who have cancer. Even when their fathers die from the cancer, they simply don't blame God. However, if their fathers survive, they praise and give all credit to God.

If something as grand as God exist, must one know that there is something greater? Applying this logic, seeing the grandness of gold, must mean leprachauns exist.

Bro... God has answered several prayers of mine... when they are not selfish/in his will... he has always come through... I really cannot recall him not answering...
To ignore this fact would be ignorance on my behalf, for I know it is true...
And I believe I said the grandness of the universe caused me to believe in God...
Take kare and God Bless
In Christ,
Frank

 

[DrunkenWrestler]

'perfection' can be pictured... i can picture someone who is perfect, it is not relative... therefore it is possible...

I can picture a perfect diamond, does this mean a perfect diamond exist?

but as soon as we sin... we are no longer perfect...i have no idea where i am going, i guess i am just rambling...

Who says you need to be good to be perfect.

 

[Knarf188]

The name is the name of my character in Everquest, an MMORPG PC game .

Pantheism is an interesting thought, but I still don't see evidence of god in the universe. Sure it's got some cool things, but I don't see that as evidence of a sentient creator.

Everquest haha... take about a long game... Everyone is waiting for E2... I heard it is getting good reviews... personally I just like starcraft =) or w3...
Again I find my evidence in a God, lies in my prayers... and how they are answered... try it sometime... you never know =)
In Christ,
Frank

 

[Dyrwen]

Thanx for the link man... I will have to research that... what doesn't kill you only makes you stronger right =)... but the OT is written before many of those crucifictions... And while some of those Gods might fullfill some of the prophecies they by no means fulfill all of them...

Whatever you say, I’m not getting into a Bible discussion here. Heh.

From reading your website (which is very long... but more power to you for seeking the truth=)... You do no drugs 'yet', and have no sex 'yet' haha...
Why do you wish for free health care? Just curious? Is it for your own benefit or for others...My God desires for you to love him, as he loves you...
What do you feel about the prayer that was answered that I mentioned in my earlier post? Is this not enough factual information?

I merely state that the possibility remains by saying “yet”. I can’t presume I’ll manage to avoid everything in life, I merely have said I didn’t do it and don’t plan to, wheras you did it all.

As for the Health Care thing, it’s mostly for my mother to prevent her constant sickness and bankruptcies from paying the healthcare bills. A selfish means of bringing joy to those who still live.

As for your prayer inquiries. Link #1 & Link #2
I’ve researched the facts to get away from all the testimonials that people claim are representations of the truth.

Again from reading your website it seems as though you do not desire to be loved, You state "This is me. Love isn't part of my life, it's parasitic human behavior that is more degrading to the human psyche than anything else. Lose love, learn more. Gain love, only live to keep it alive. It's idiotic."
Therefore how do you know what it means to be loved, or acquire a love that surpasses 'my loving God' ... I don't understand.. could you elaborate?

I know love and have experienced it from people in relationship means as well as from my parents a great deal. Your god merely loves everyone the same, which without a comparison to anything else is just plain love. It’s nothing great. Quite frankly, the love of your god is no better than anyone else and really one doesn’t truly experience it in action until one dies, sure you feel it in life, but not everyone does and the only way they would feel it would be to die and be with God.

Well thankyou for not holding back... I did not mean to inquire that you did drugs, sex, alcohol whatever... but that you were satisfying your needs/desires... From your website, it seems as though you like to please others... by helping them out, instead of focusing on your problems... am I wrong... did you know that is the second greatest commandment to love your neighbor as yourself... is that innate? just curious...
In Christ(and TRUTH =),
Frank

Almost all of the commandments are basic concepts of human existence. To claim the Bible is “special” by saying “do not kill” is a bit arrogant of anyone. I happen to help my neighbor, so to speak, without really knowing it. I write art, do arts, whatever for myself at the time, but once it is done, I don’t need it anymore. I display it upon my site and others tend to more commonly than not, find inspiration or joy from reading or viewing it.

In Reason(and reality)
Dyrwen

 

[Knarf188]

I can picture a perfect diamond, does this mean a perfect diamond exist?


Who says you need to be good to be perfect.

YES... maybe that robot on Mars will find it... how can we see something if it is not true... answer it is built inside us... Plato said it... the idea of perfection is probable because it is in us (its been years sense I had phil. so my apologies =)...
Now don't take me the wrong way and say I imagine a 15 headed dog or praying to an animate toaster =)... but just like perfection... you envision it... its realistic... not within human standards... but Jesus certainly was... if you believe in him =)...
In Christ,
Frank

 

[Knarf188]

Whatever you say, I’m not getting into a Bible discussion here. Heh.


I merely state that the possibility remains by saying “yet”. I can’t presume I’ll manage to avoid everything in life, I merely have said I didn’t do it and don’t plan to, wheras you did it all.

As for the Health Care thing, it’s mostly for my mother to prevent her constant sickness and bankruptcies from paying the healthcare bills. A selfish means of bringing joy to those who still live.

As for your prayer inquiries. Link #1 & Link #2
I’ve researched the facts to get away from all the testimonials that people claim are representations of the truth.

I know love and have experienced it from people in relationship means as well as from my parents a great deal. Your god merely loves everyone the same, which without a comparison to anything else is just plain love. It’s nothing great. Quite frankly, the love of your god is no better than anyone else and really one doesn’t truly experience it in action until one dies, sure you feel it in life, but not everyone does and the only way they would feel it would be to die and be with God.
Almost all of the commandments are basic concepts of human existence. To claim the Bible is “special” by saying “do not kill” is a bit arrogant of anyone. I happen to help my neighbor, so to speak, without really knowing it. I write art, do arts, whatever for myself at the time, but once it is done, I don’t need it anymore. I display it upon my site and others tend to more commonly than not, find inspiration or joy from reading or viewing it.

In Reason(and reality)
Dyrwen

Hey Drywen,
Thanx for the lenghty post =)...
The Bible discussion, maybe if you have time, and you desire to seek the truth as I maybe you should check out all the prophecies that Jesus fulfilled like 2000 years before his birth...

Yes I did do it all... and I regret it... if anything it just adds pain to my life... and I recommend you not doing it... you can have as much fun, if not more without these things in life ...

That is not selfish what you desire to do for the people whom you 'love'... that is so awesome dude... though if you do not mind ... maybe I can pray that those needs are met (may I inquire what their names are?)...

Haha but then comes those links... I agree with the first theologian... God shall not be tested... it is an act of faith... having faith that God will do the right thing... but not testing him... it can be seen by Jesus in the wilderness...

JUST pLAIN LOVE? Are You CRAZY? haha ... If me and you were defending our capitalistic society in the deserts in Iraq ... and that gernade rolled in that fox hole and you or I jumped on it... is that not love... self sacrifice... that is love... Check out if you have time.. about medal of honor winners in ww2 and vietnam... it is incredible... Jesus says that 'There is no greater love than laying down your life for another'... that is the greatest man... and well God is love... so he is willing to die for us... and he has... I know alot of people who klaim to love one another... but yet would not lay down their life for another... I would lay down my life for anyone of you guys on this forum... Yes God does love us all the same... but HOW GREAT IS THAT LOVE...

I do not mean to be arrogant man... it is awesome that you help others out man... even without realizing it... And I want to thankyou for helping me deepen my faith... take kare and God Bless...
In Christ,
Frank

 

[vajradhara]

Hi,
People want happiness and are compassionate (when they find christ =)... I agree... Actually Jesus states that we seek ungodliness... we lust, we lie, we fornicate, etc. its our evil nature... people left alone will act on their instincts, their inner nature...they do not seek righteousness(Romans)... it is true ...

'perfection' can be pictured... i can picture someone who is perfect, it is not relative... therefore it is possible... but as soon as we sin... we are no longer perfect...i have no idea where i am going, i guess i am just rambling...

question... if we all seek happiness and are compassionate... it is our innate nature... can not people seek happiness but yet infringe on others beliefs...like my hapiness is in money... so i go rob a bank...of course this infringes on others... but yet i am happy... while others are not... is this right?

thankyou for the link... ill check it out... i hope this makes sense =)... again i am new at this...
take kare and God Bless
In Christ,
Frank

Namaste frank,

your "picture" of perfect is simply an image set before your concept of "perfection" it is not, in and of itself, perfect in any sense of the word.

i should point out that i'm fully aware of the Christian doctrines, but thank you for your perspective

i think that you should rethink your logic sequence here... just because you can imagine something doesn't mean it exists, wouldn't you agree? moreover, since "perfection" isn't defined, it's basically meaningless to say the word at all... there is no information being conveyed by that word.

we don't limit it to people... all sentient beings are this way.

let me ask you... in your analogy.. do you really think that would make you happy? i doubt it.

moreover, if all beings seek happiness and desire not to suffer... wouldn't stealing someone's money cause them to suffer?

given the information that i've provided already (albeit brief) what would you conclude regarding positive or negative karma?

 

[Dyrwen]

The Bible discussion, maybe if you have time, and you desire to seek the truth as I maybe you should check out all the prophecies that Jesus fulfilled like 2000 years before his birth...

Quite frankly, I only avoided this discussion because the Bible as it is remains a fairy tale book of lies to which holds no validity in this discussion. To your prophecy assumption, I present 2 links, of course.

Link #1 & Link #2

JUST pLAIN LOVE? Are You CRAZY? haha ... If me and you were defending our capitalistic society in the deserts in Iraq ... and that gernade rolled in that fox hole and you or I jumped on it... is that not love... self sacrifice... that is love... Check out if you have time.. about medal of honor winners in ww2 and vietnam... it is incredible... Jesus says that 'There is no greater love than laying down your life for another'... that is the greatest man... and well God is love... so he is willing to die for us... and he has... I know alot of people who klaim to love one another... but yet would not lay down their life for another... I would lay down my life for anyone of you guys on this forum... Yes God does love us all the same... but HOW GREAT IS THAT LOVE...

Self sacrifice is one thing, but I do not believe your god sacrificed anything for us. To send down a person to show he did infact “save” people rather than just doing it without a person was without point. The need for punishment by his processes of evaluating what is wrong and right and then just doing so how he wishes is a bit inefficient and contradictory in means. Simply put: You sacrifice nothing if you don’t die or lose. Until you can explain what god loss, you explain no point in his “sacrifice”

I would lay my life on the line to destroy the capitalistic society of ignorance and greed that is America, using an emotional angle of finding yourself giving your life to protect anyone won’t get too far.

The love your god has remains simply shown as “normally ‘the best’”. There still remains no comparison. I love those that have affected me for the better, in most cases, although those I have never met but still love me hold no validity in my mind. I couldn’t care less if the world loved me or if they didn’t. Until some showing of love is brought about, I won’t care. And to use the concept of “hell” in any facet to show “love” by not letting me go there is still not a showing of love, it is merely an attempt to protect me with their love. There remains no consequence in any afterlife as an atheist, check my “hell thread” if you need info there.

The point of this thread, a drive to live, has been answered in one 3 paragraph post I made. The rest of this is a tangent of your attempt to understand how I think, that’s fine, just letting it become apparent.

Dyrwen

 

[DrunkenWrestler]

Bro... God has answered several prayers of mine... when they are not selfish/in his will... he has always come through...

I know. Allah answered several prayers of mine. When I asked for the water in the shower to become hot, it became out. This must prove Allah answered my prayer. QED.

And I believe I said the grandness of the universe caused me to believe in God...

Here is what you really said:

If you look at the grandness of the Universe, one must know that there is something greater than this 'realm'

YES... maybe that robot on Mars will find [the perfect diamond]

Right... and if that robot doesn't find it, maybe it exist in some galaxy far far away... I can imagine a perfect person, does this mean a perfect person exist? No, because no human is perfect.

 

[Vylo]

If me and you were defending our capitalistic society in the deserts in Iraq ... and that gernade rolled in that fox hole and you or I jumped on it... is that not love... self sacrifice... that is love

Not always, self sacrifice can simply be a rational choice (though a very difficult one for most). If I jump the grenade I will die, others around me will live, if I simply run, many may die, and I probably will as well. The most rational choice is to jump onto the grenade. The main purpose of military training is to make it so you keep a clear head in a situation like this and make quick, orderly rational choices. Unfortunately it can also have a numbing and personality draining effect.

Knarf I used to be catholic and tried praying, nothing happened, I kept my faith still for quite a while until one day I finally decided it didn't make any sense.

But I do appreciate your invitation, be safe.

 

[Knarf188]

Namaste frank,

your "picture" of perfect is simply an image set before your concept of "perfection" it is not, in and of itself, perfect in any sense of the word.

i should point out that i'm fully aware of the Christian doctrines, but thank you for your perspective

i think that you should rethink your logic sequence here... just because you can imagine something doesn't mean it exists, wouldn't you agree? moreover, since "perfection" isn't defined, it's basically meaningless to say the word at all... there is no information being conveyed by that word.

we don't limit it to people... all sentient beings are this way.

let me ask you... in your analogy.. do you really think that would make you happy? i doubt it.

moreover, if all beings seek happiness and desire not to suffer... wouldn't stealing someone's money cause them to suffer?

given the information that i've provided already (albeit brief) what would you conclude regarding positive or negative karma?

Hi...
Your first statement does not make any sense .... I know what being perfect is... without sin....are u saying my definition is wrong?

Someone who has no money... or just someone who is krazy... yes this would make them happy... there are people content with killing others...does not sound much like a 'compassionate person'...

'karma' just sounds different... i can't believe in this for the fact that Jesus answers my prayers... he has made myself clear to me... he is my best friend... he speaks to me... he comforts me ... he wipes away my tears... karma is more based on self-righteous... and seeing several nasty instantices in my life I can't see a person seeking righteousness....

In CHrist,
Frank

I do like that religious website.. though it seems kind of more atheists centered.. take kare and God Bless

 

[Knarf188]

Quite frankly, I only avoided this discussion because the Bible as it is remains a fairy tale book of lies to which holds no validity in this discussion. To your prophecy assumption, I present 2 links, of course.

Link #1 & Link #2

Self sacrifice is one thing, but I do not believe your god sacrificed anything for us. To send down a person to show he did infact “save” people rather than just doing it without a person was without point. The need for punishment by his processes of evaluating what is wrong and right and then just doing so how he wishes is a bit inefficient and contradictory in means. Simply put: You sacrifice nothing if you don’t die or lose. Until you can explain what god loss, you explain no point in his “sacrifice”

I would lay my life on the line to destroy the capitalistic society of ignorance and greed that is America, using an emotional angle of finding yourself giving your life to protect anyone won’t get too far.

The love your god has remains simply shown as “normally ‘the best’”. There still remains no comparison. I love those that have affected me for the better, in most cases, although those I have never met but still love me hold no validity in my mind. I couldn’t care less if the world loved me or if they didn’t. Until some showing of love is brought about, I won’t care. And to use the concept of “hell” in any facet to show “love” by not letting me go there is still not a showing of love, it is merely an attempt to protect me with their love. There remains no consequence in any afterlife as an atheist, check my “hell thread” if you need info there.

The point of this thread, a drive to live, has been answered in one 3 paragraph post I made. The rest of this is a tangent of your attempt to understand how I think, that’s fine, just letting it become apparent.

Dyrwen

Haha dude you should be kalled the link-man... I read some of them...and cross refrenced them with my Bible... maybe you should do it too... it is not very accurate....

Sending down His son shows a 'point'... shows his love... He lost his son.. Jesus.. who in turn is God... it is kind of amusing that you do try to argue something that you believe is a 'fairy tale'....

Protection is love... I do not understand... you seem to be going in circles...

thankyou for your reply... yes it is apparent... if you wish to stop posting... i am not twisting your arm... but your replies are greatly appreciated... I am sorry though that you sterotype me and think lowly of me... take kare and God Bless...
In Christ,
Frank
P.s. I never got the names of your parents... if you wouldnt mind me praying for them... you have nothing to lose....

 

[Knarf188]

I know. Allah answered several prayers of mine. When I asked for the water in the shower to become hot, it became out. This must prove Allah answered my prayer. QED.


Here is what you really said:



Right... and if that robot doesn't find it, maybe it exist in some galaxy far far away... I can imagine a perfect person, does this mean a perfect person exist? No, because no human is perfect.

Try praying a sincere prayer... you never know it might just work =)

No human is perfect ... I guess it just comes down to whether or not the Bible is valid...

In CHrit,
Frank