Drive for Atheists?

[Knarf188]

Perhaps you're missing the point, ok, you are. There's no perhaps. We don't go to war for money in all cases, it's just that the rich people that own the corporations and thereby the power to control our country happen to call their wars "preserving of freedoms" to gain the support of the world. When all they are really doing is expanding their imperialism accross the globe. Quite frankly, I don't want our country to be a Police of the globe and couldn't care less what other countries do. We wouldn't have to "defend" ourselves so much if we hadn't interfered so much in the first place. We went and ****ed everyone off and now have to defend ourselves no matter what out of paranoia.

Politics... I use to be a political science major for like 2 years... maybe that does not account for much... I changed because, well politics is evil... people say to fight the good fight... but in the end with so much corruption, all seems lost...
Please explain how WW1, WW2, Vietnam, Korea, Kosovo where wars to expand imperialism...
I do not know if your last 2 sentences are true... Muslims seem to be the ones who are mad at us right now...for Muslims, in this state of Jihad are of course against the US... maybe because of our interference with Egypt, Israel... if you read their religion, they basically go against everything America stands for, and they have no tolerance for us... so if we were to leave them alone... I cannot say for certain whether or not they would continue to be hostile... but I deem to say that they would continue... for if it isn't one thing it is another...
Let me state something though... in a world full of Capitalism... there is no other choice... You are either Capitalistic or poor... Capitalism in itself HAS to do the things it does...Because foreign nations have cheaper labor we must compete with them, or else we get undersold...and buisness goes out, people lose jobs... and therefore we move our stores overseas... there is no alternative... Even China sees this... it claims to be 'Communist'... but in reality it takes on several Capitalistic qualities...this relates to your imperialist accusation of the US... imperialistic defined by Big buisnesses spreading their culture/industries into other nations... I do agree with you though that Special Interests groups do have a big say in politics.. but i would not deem the US an elitist society... we do have a say... like you say below... to vote... but even you see no hope in this...

Leave the world alone and let them deal with their own issues. They aren't harming us, beyond 911 which was terrorist (not Afganistan, which we bombed to kingdom come) actions as well as Pearl Harbor which was merely an attack by Japan because of our attempt to slice off their trade abilities. Every other war in our history has been pointless, outside of the Civil War #1 (American Revolution) and Civil War #2 (Duh). I anxiously await our 3rd, hopefully final Civil War that destroys what's left of our imperialistic oppressive militarized draconian **** shoot of a nation bent on owning everything to gain a purpose in its existence.

9/11 ... thousands of people died... what would you have recommended? Saying bad Terrorists.. slap them on the hand and leave? We were very precise in our attacks vs. the Al Quaida... it was not a war vs Afghanistan... but vs the terrorists... yes we did blow it to kingdom come... occupied by the Al Quaida... don't get me wrong we did injure civilians... but the majority of it was very precise.... unfortunately not precise enough to catch Osama... But I am sure the elites just wanted some good ol locations to put up in Afghanistan where there number 1 export is opium...
I do not know if that is why Japan attacked us... I believe it was they felt threatened by our neutral stance... plus we were supplying their allies enemies (Britian/France)... Hitler tried to even send correspondence to Mexico to attack us...
War is pointless to you, outside C1, C2... does that mean you believe in a purpose in life? THere will be no 3rd Civil War... the US political system is too foggy to blame anyone for the reason things happen...Congress points to President... President points to Congress... are you referring to Marx theory on the fall of Capitalism?

But hey, what do I know, I'm just a pacifist anarchocommunist with the ideals of freedom stiring in my head and fixing our own problems before we help anyone else out on my mind.
How many times I have heard such a similar statement.. I cannot count. "Don't like it? Run away." How Americanly Ignorant of people to suggest as an alternative. Did the colonists have Britain telling them the same thing back in the 1700's? I'd figure so. "Don't like the taxes. Leave." And we stayed, we started action and we changed the nation to fit our own will. It then changed through time and is now at a point where I feel it is no longer accurate in its supposed representation of freedom. But seeing as this is a supposed republic and my vote somehow counts, I choose to stay in it and attempt to affect the government instead of leaving it.

Is Freedom a purpose in life? Certainly one person could live without purpose in an Anarchy/Republic/Democracy/etc...
America did not just change for it to fit our own will... we had several good points...
Sounds like you do not really believe your vote counts... so whynot leave? Don't mean to be rude... not much is stopping you...

Novel idea eh? Trying to do something about the powers that control you, oh, because you're allowed the right to. Odd concept, I must say. But hey, maybe I'm just being UnAmerican by not liking the way the world works right? I should just run away and let you be in your happy little world all alone without anyone to send a dissentious opinion towards you and perhaps state how much better the nation could be in my eyes.

Wouldn't that be nice? A nation full of happy little god-loving Americans in prosperity and freedom, owning parts of the world as they slowly war with anyone who poses the slightest threat merely because they hold the means to do so. How nice indeed. Sounds a bit too Nazi-ish to me, so hey, call me crazy, but I will be using my right to vote soon enough to attempt to do what I can to get what I feel is right into a higher priority by any means neccessary like all Americans with a political opinion should.

Ok now you sound like your vote does count... cool go vote...
I would love for everyone to be a Christian... specially a Nation full of little god-loving Americans.. sounds pleasant... but I do not think True Christians would be imposing/threatening

Nothing better to do perhaps? I happen to be broke, not exactly the others, but other people are and reading my arts has occasionally helped them out. Not to mention my blunt honest attitude has talked many people out suicide and given them purpose in life, accidently. By actually telling people to kill themselves or allowing them the realization of all the consequences of their actions, I've managed to save more people by accident than anything else.

Sounds like there is a purpose to your life... if you are saving people from suicide, I truely do commend you on this one... good job...Keep up the 'accidents'

People seek help because they want a savior. They want someone to solve all their problems, be their protector, their guidance, their help. Most people do want someone or something to guide them through life, and even normal people can fulfill that bill. Not just gods, people can help too. Because, crazy idea here, they exist in reality right now. You don't have to go far to find them and a good majority can help you out without much effort at all. People need an honest opinion, I give it to them. My opinion may hold no moral grounds nor purpose, but I naturally respond and talk to people that ask questions or talk to me, I was raised by women and happen to be conversative in nature. My purpose in helping others is merely accidental, I don't go out of my way to do this. People find me, they talk to me, they happen to be better off afterwards. It's not my fault that people need help and happen accross me. I'm just very accessable and talkative. Go figure.

Haha I was raised by women too... I know what you mean... I do agree that people want a savior... maybe it is an innate feeling? or did society create it?
Sounds like you are covering up your with the notion of it being an accidents... for if it wasn't an accident than you might have a purpose ...

Bob forbid I try to help someone to pass the time late at night. I'm just passing the hours faster, but they just want guidance and someone to talk to. They talk, I respond, stuff happens. Quit trying to find a reason to point out my life needs something else, it works well as it is. I happen to be an accidentally helpful person, and I'm an atheist. I'm not evil, at least not enough, and I don't believe in gods. Welcome to reality.
I respond when it is asked that I do so. For I've nothing better or more interesting to do. Such is a teenage life. Video game, chat, forum, school, books. Always time to educate. Heh..
In time,
Dyr

Ok i will do what you say and quit trying... I will no longer try to find a purpose to your life.... I will end our discussion... Take kare and God Bless...
In Christ,
Frank

 

[Knarf188]

Namaste Frank,

thanks for the post.

indeed... perfection is a theological concept, as i had surmized.

only in the Christian world but that's ok... as you are a Christian. though.. i must say, i've never really understood that morbidity of self loathing... eh.. whatever works for you!

though... i should say.. .it's never cancelled... there is nothing that is not accounted for.. both good and bad. there is no abrogation of anything... we each are accountable for our actions.. none are "washed" by anything or anyone else, from our point of view.

no need to apologize for no offense was given

I don't loath my self... I did when I realized I was a sinner... it's just a fact of life... I can never really be truely pure , purely good... for when I try to do good I end up doing something wrong... but I become pure when I realize I can do nothing else except accept Jesus as my savior... and live by faith in him... and with this comes joy...

take kare and God Bless
In Christ,
Frank

 

[Knarf188]

Knarf: in respect to your response to me. Those people are definetly sacrificing themselves, but I do not believe them to be doing it for something that is real. I admire their conviction, but I am still saddened by what I percieve to be somewhat futile, especially since many of them I am sure are kind, decent people.

Oh, no I'm not that teacher . I'm only about to finish college.

Maybe they have something bro... like what they are living for... 2million is alot of people... you should hear some of their testimonies... how prayer does work... There was one dude in China, he is really famous... he has been arrested like 12 times... and you know how bad Chinese prisions are =)... well even after all that he still knew beyond a shadow of adoubt that he was doing the right thing... these 2 million people cannot be overlooked... and labeled as lost =)
What college you go to Vylo?
Take kare and God Bless
In Christ,
Frank

 

[Dyrwen]

Please explain how WW1, WW2, Vietnam, Korea, Kosovo where wars to expand imperialism...

Vietnam=Imperialism of stopping the commies from spreading into our “democracy” ridden world.

Korea=Why did we go there again? Oh yea, same reason. Darn commies.

Kosovo=Policing the globe’s rulers. No point in doing it. Merely ended up becoming a sense of fixing Europe like in WW1 for better trade relations. “We saved you, how about a trade.”

WW1=The Nazis wanted imperialism to be their mainstate in power, taking over the world. Simply put: They were cutting in on the US’s action. We’re the only Imperialist allowed on this planet. They should’ve seen it coming.

WW2=Revenge for Pearl Harbor followed by more Nazi attacking because they were trying to take over the world violently all at once when we’d rather wait a few hundred years and slowly expand outward until others assimilate for various reasons including trade, “replacing government meanies” and of course the standard “Your in our spot, give it back” rule.

I’m a completely anti-war activist, like I wouldn’t have an obvious reply to this? It’s nothing great, but it is simple.

I do not know if your last 2 sentences are true... Muslims seem to be the ones who are mad at us right now...for Muslims, in this state of Jihad are of course against the US... maybe because of our interference with Egypt, Israel... if you read their religion, they basically go against everything America stands for, and they have no tolerance for us... so if we were to leave them alone... I cannot say for certain whether or not they would continue to be hostile... but I deem to say that they would continue... for if it isn't one thing it is another...

Actually, they just don’t like “you” as a Christian for converting people away from Allah. They’re fine with infidelic atheists who are merely sinners and going to Hell anyways. But Christians, well they just can’t have you out converting their possibly believers. That’s cutting in on their action. Hehe.. Had we left the middle east alone, they would not work at killing us or hating us. They would still hate us and wish to convert us, but they wouldn’t feel a need to “blow up the USA” by hitting embassy areas and people in their countries.

Let me state something though... in a world full of Capitalism... there is no other choice... You are either Capitalistic or poor... Capitalism in itself HAS to do the things it does...Because foreign nations have cheaper labor we must compete with them, or else we get undersold...and buisness goes out, people lose jobs... and therefore we move our stores overseas... there is no alternative... Even China sees this... it claims to be 'Communist'... but in reality it takes on several Capitalistic qualities...this relates to your imperialist accusation of the US... imperialistic defined by Big buisnesses spreading their culture/industries into other nations... I do agree with you though that Special Interests groups do have a big say in politics.. but i would not deem the US an elitist society... we do have a say... like you say below... to vote... but even you see no hope in this...

Nice economy lesson. I’m not completely against all capitalistic ideals, I merely wish for certain needs to be met in a communistic extent. The degree to which our capitalism appears seems much too greed and arrogance filled compared to other more normal nations. It’s the main reason I even relate any portion of my post to it. Rarely are people seen to hold a dollar bill higher than their health, but hey, that’s just what happens..heh.

9/11 ... thousands of people died... what would you have recommended? Saying bad Terrorists.. slap them on the hand and leave? We were very precise in our attacks vs. the Al Quaida... it was not a war vs Afghanistan... but vs the terrorists... yes we did blow it to kingdom come... occupied by the Al Quaida... don't get me wrong we did injure civilians... but the majority of it was very precise.... unfortunately not precise enough to catch Osama... But I am sure the elites just wanted some good ol locations to put up in Afghanistan where there number 1 export is opium...

Precision. Right. Over 3,000 Civilians dead from Afghan Bombing.

A little bit of revenge on our part by the looks of it. Except we killed 3,000 Civilians, not Al-Quaida Terrorists. Perhaps some of them accidently were in the course of hitting targets, but apparently at least 3,000 are dead there. We took it out on their country, not the attackers.

War is pointless to you, outside C1, C2... does that mean you believe in a purpose in life? THere will be no 3rd Civil War... the US political system is too foggy to blame anyone for the reason things happen...Congress points to President... President points to Congress... are you referring to Marx theory on the fall of Capitalism?

Heh, I wouldn’t know. I’m just saying, if a bomb happens to blow Congress up with the President inside and the shadow government pops up only to be killed in a coup a month later, these things happen. There will be a 3rd civil war, all Empires fall in time, just give it time to find the right one.

Is Freedom a purpose in life? Certainly one person could live without purpose in an Anarchy/Republic/Democracy/etc...
America did not just change for it to fit our own will... we had several good points...
Sounds like you do not really believe your vote counts... so whynot leave? Don't mean to be rude... not much is stopping you...

It was sarcasm. My vote is suppposed to count. It might not, but hey, that doesn’t mean I can’t still try and say “It doesn’t work. Neat process. Hey, you, over there, see how this process doesn’t work? Might want to change it.” Of course, my own plans of using capitalism to fulfill a decent amount of money to do useful things with might also solve my issues of why I wish to remain in the nation. Vague reasons is all I can say.
In general, I merely stay to affect what I can. To leave is to admit defeat, or more simply: My silence would admit my acceptance of the opposing view.

Ok now you sound like your vote does count... cool go vote...
I would love for everyone to be a Christian... specially a Nation full of little god-loving Americans.. sounds pleasant... but I do not think True Christians would be imposing/threatening

True Christians, TRUE Christians are infact very threatening. Considering of the 33,000 denominations, most consider their brand to be True. The most literal type would be most likely the most easily seen as true, and quite frankly, those people are insane. I know you’re not that type, but still, to claim your brand beats the Brand X Christ is about as valid as anything nowadays. Sounds freaking scary to me, thousands of Christians fighting another over who is right because they’ve no one to convert but another…just weird.

Sounds like there is a purpose to your life... if you are saving people from suicide, I truely do commend you on this one... good job...Keep up the 'accidents'

Oh you may say that now, but the process of my accidents is probably not something you’d prefer to hear. heh

Haha I was raised by women too... I know what you mean... I do agree that people want a savior... maybe it is an innate feeling? or did society create it?
Sounds like you are covering up your with the notion of it being an accidents... for if it wasn't an accident than you might have a purpose ...

Well, to be blunt and say “ignore the last quoted thing I posted above” my process is as such. I say “kill yourself” when they ask “should I?”. The blunt reality of truth I tell them usually allows them to think, hmm.. perhaps things could be better, if he’s this willing to throw me into death. It truly is an accident, I have helped a few people nearer to suicide, but all back out finding a purpose from my guidance and enlightenment they read. Too many times have I had to say goodbye only to say goodmorning to the dead whom found beauty in the harshness that is my words.
I am a savior to some, an honest truth beats a faithful lie anyday.

Ok i will do what you say and quit trying... I will no longer try to find a purpose to your life.... I will end our discussion... Take kare and God Bless...
In Christ,
Frank

Enjoyed the inquiries. Almost a ironic trying to find a purpose in “my life” to better give your own life purpose though.
Dyrwen

 

[Vylo]

knarf: I go to the College of New Jersey in....well.... New Jersey .

I have also heard some very interesting things on prayer and how it can heal, but I don't think it is divine intervention. People have been known to do some very amazing things regardless of their religion.

 

[Knarf188]

Vietnam=Imperialism of stopping the commies from spreading into our “democracy” ridden world.

Korea=Why did we go there again? Oh yea, same reason. Darn commies.

Kosovo=Policing the globe’s rulers. No point in doing it. Merely ended up becoming a sense of fixing Europe like in WW1 for better trade relations. “We saved you, how about a trade.”

WW1=The Nazis wanted imperialism to be their mainstate in power, taking over the world. Simply put: They were cutting in on the US’s action. We’re the only Imperialist allowed on this planet. They should’ve seen it coming.

WW2=Revenge for Pearl Harbor followed by more Nazi attacking because they were trying to take over the world violently all at once when we’d rather wait a few hundred years and slowly expand outward until others assimilate for various reasons including trade, “replacing government meanies” and of course the standard “Your in our spot, give it back” rule.

I’m a completely anti-war activist, like I wouldn’t have an obvious reply to this? It’s nothing great, but it is simple.
Actually, they just don’t like “you” as a Christian for converting people away from Allah. They’re fine with infidelic atheists who are merely sinners and going to Hell anyways. But Christians, well they just can’t have you out converting their possibly believers. That’s cutting in on their action. Hehe.. Had we left the middle east alone, they would not work at killing us or hating us. They would still hate us and wish to convert us, but they wouldn’t feel a need to “blow up the USA” by hitting embassy areas and people in their countries.
Nice economy lesson. I’m not completely against all capitalistic ideals, I merely wish for certain needs to be met in a communistic extent. The degree to which our capitalism appears seems much too greed and arrogance filled compared to other more normal nations. It’s the main reason I even relate any portion of my post to it. Rarely are people seen to hold a dollar bill higher than their health, but hey, that’s just what happens..heh.
Precision. Right. Over 3,000 Civilians dead from Afghan Bombing.

A little bit of revenge on our part by the looks of it. Except we killed 3,000 Civilians, not Al-Quaida Terrorists. Perhaps some of them accidently were in the course of hitting targets, but apparently at least 3,000 are dead there. We took it out on their country, not the attackers.
Heh, I wouldn’t know. I’m just saying, if a bomb happens to blow Congress up with the President inside and the shadow government pops up only to be killed in a coup a month later, these things happen. There will be a 3rd civil war, all Empires fall in time, just give it time to find the right one.
It was sarcasm. My vote is suppposed to count. It might not, but hey, that doesn’t mean I can’t still try and say “It doesn’t work. Neat process. Hey, you, over there, see how this process doesn’t work? Might want to change it.” Of course, my own plans of using capitalism to fulfill a decent amount of money to do useful things with might also solve my issues of why I wish to remain in the nation. Vague reasons is all I can say.
In general, I merely stay to affect what I can. To leave is to admit defeat, or more simply: My silence would admit my acceptance of the opposing view.
True Christians, TRUE Christians are infact very threatening. Considering of the 33,000 denominations, most consider their brand to be True. The most literal type would be most likely the most easily seen as true, and quite frankly, those people are insane. I know you’re not that type, but still, to claim your brand beats the Brand X Christ is about as valid as anything nowadays. Sounds freaking scary to me, thousands of Christians fighting another over who is right because they’ve no one to convert but another…just weird.
Oh you may say that now, but the process of my accidents is probably not something you’d prefer to hear. heh

Well, to be blunt and say “ignore the last quoted thing I posted above” my process is as such. I say “kill yourself” when they ask “should I?”. The blunt reality of truth I tell them usually allows them to think, hmm.. perhaps things could be better, if he’s this willing to throw me into death. It truly is an accident, I have helped a few people nearer to suicide, but all back out finding a purpose from my guidance and enlightenment they read. Too many times have I had to say goodbye only to say goodmorning to the dead whom found beauty in the harshness that is my words.
I am a savior to some, an honest truth beats a faithful lie anyday.
Enjoyed the inquiries. Almost a ironic trying to find a purpose in “my life” to better give your own life purpose though.
Dyrwen

Hey Dyrwen... Just wanted to say a couple things... not about your purpose/persuade you to Christianity ... though I do pray for that =)...

The Cold War... Imperialistic or Smart.... it was smart man... I do not want to go into debates... It's called the Domino effect... Russia pushed its communism to other countries to gain power.... Korea, Vietnam, Eastern Europe, Cuba, China, Afghanistan... US could not let this happen... Russia was being very hostile... US missile crisis/etc... so instead of just letting that happen they met it on the fronts of other countries... The regime of Russia at that time was very aggressive reflecting the movements of the country...(Selling their grain for manufacturing tools, while their people starved...)...

I do not believe Kosovo/Albania had much to sell/trade with us... if any money...

WW1 and WW2 were aggressive actions made by powers... we did not go into it for gains of economic... or it would have been wiser to just wait... trade with the new power... you agree with war not being right... well maybe that is what the US thought was right at the same time.......

You blame the attack of 9/11 because of Christians?

I do not think other capitalistic nations are as good as ours... if you would like a more communistic society... one would have to give more power to the state and higher tax (like England/Canada/France/Germany).. and you know no one will raise taxes to 60% because people would just not vote for it... nor would congress pass it... I think if this is what you want... you should focus more on the Congress... not on the President/Capitalistic nature of US...

Precision... to tell you the truth... we used alot of Cluster Bombs/2000 pound bombs/AC-130... because of the lack of LGB (Laser Guided Bombs)... we do not have any more because of Clinton... he used all of our reserves during Kosovo...and lowered the production of the LGB... and also
http://www.ccpj.org/writing/afghan_casualties.phtml
Your link was not really accurate I believe... though I do agree that even 1 civilians life lost is a tragedy...
But like in Vietnam... when we attacked the towns because they harbored the vietnamese (not to mention explosives attached tokids/women and detonated in the midst of troops... or how they put glass in iced water and gave it to our soilders)... I'm just showing you how it is not one sided...though I really would not want to be the President's place during 9/11....what would you have done?
I preciate the additional purpose you gave me to my life... such as putting more emphasis on my prayer life.. and educating myself... so thankyou very much...take kare and God Bless
In Christ,
Frank

 

[Knarf188]

knarf: I go to the College of New Jersey in....well.... New Jersey .

I have also heard some very interesting things on prayer and how it can heal, but I don't think it is divine intervention. People have been known to do some very amazing things regardless of their religion.

Oh i live in PA... kool...
If prayer heals... and it is not divine intervention, what is it?

 

[Dyrwen]

You blame the attack of 9/11 because of Christians?

No. How you got that, I don't know.

I'm just showing you how it is not one sided...though I really would not want to be the President's place during 9/11....what would you have done?
I preciate the additional purpose you gave me to my life... such as putting more emphasis on my prayer life.. and educating myself... so thankyou very much...take kare and God Bless
In Christ,
Frank

Little reply here, since it is a more political discussion which I rarely even care about.

What would I have done about 9/11? If I had any power at all I've would've already destroyed America like they had tried, so my opinion on the matter is not of point in any discussion. I was glad someone finally had the guts to get some action done in this world instead of bickering and whining. I respect someone willing to take on a "world power" because they feel they are wrong. America picking on other nations for harboring terrorists was about as reasonable as the UK attacking the US because of one of our citizens bombing a building over there. I somehow doubt that then you'd bring up the "lack of precision weapons" as a problem for them. They were simply attacking the country out of revenge for their citizens lost. And supposedly stopping any "future threat" of terrorism from hitting them.

It was without point to blow the **** out of their country just because terrorists lived there. Simple as that. I don't know nor care what else they "could have done" because it's after the fact and what's done is done. The terrorist who planned the attacks runs free and the country he was in is bombed to smitherines. So much for freeing them of Al-Quaida Taliban folks, because now their country is more rubble than it used to be. Free to fix themselves however they see fit. Meanwhile we ran over to Iraq as fast as we could so we wouldn't look stupid rambling around Afghanistan without a "bad man" caught for months and months and pouring money into a country we blew up. Instead, we spent that money on blowing up another country to grab a "bad guy" so we could look productive.

I'll cut off my rant of realism, I dislike politics too much..

Keep up with whatever you choose to do.

Dyrwen